If you replaced Master Chief with this dude and had him go through the course of all the main Halo games (Combat...

If you replaced Master Chief with this dude and had him go through the course of all the main Halo games (Combat Evolved to Halo 5, no spin-offs) how would the story have changed?

Everyone would be dead.

The Flood would have prevailed.

Doomguy is tough is hell, but he's not the brightest crayon in the box.

it would not have changed in the slightest

I don't know about that, all he really has to do is listen to cortana and get her from point a to point b, and he'd have a hell of a lot easier time with it than chief since he's superhuman, besides that, he can rip enemies apart and pull ammo shields and health out of their guts, which is probably better than Chiefs recharging shields

Halo CE would have went pretty much the same way.

Halo 2 he would have killed Gravemind.

Halo 3 he'd have successfully destroyed the ark completely.

Halo 4 he'd have torn Didact apart and blow up Requiem.

Halo 5 he'd destroy all the Guardians, Warden Eternal and his 3 million bodies along with Cortana.

It's an impossible question to answer.

- The halo series has a fuck ton of lore (20+ books worth), and master chief in particular has set limits and logic for what he can or cannot do, with game mechanics being not canon
- Doom has almost no lore and Doomguy is only bound by game mechanics

It's a dumb question with no answer, and it's exactly the same reason why the doom guy vs master cheif deathmatch was absolutely retarded and anybody who thought it was a good idea should have been fired

t. a halo lorefag

Doom guy would make it a quarter of a way before getting fucked by an elite. I mean sure the guy took on hell but come on let's be real. Even hell would get fucked by the covenant. Just because it's hell that doesn't mean it's the stongest and most baddest enemies ever.

The Covenant would have won.
Doom Guy can't carry Blue Keys like Cortana into the next level, so the Cole Protocol wouldn't have been carried out.

>The halo series has a fuck ton of lore (20+ books worth), and master chief in particular has set limits and logic for what he can or cannot do

The problem is though, the capabilities of the Spartan-IIs, and by extension, Chief, have never been properly defined.

In The Fall of Reach, Mendez states that Chief and the other IIs can lift three times their body weight. Which would probably mean that Chief could lift 900 lbs. However, I believe in the very same chapter, Chief, out of armor, proceeds to kick a trainer in a MJOLNIR Mark I exoskeleton, and that man is stated to land eight meters away from his original position.

If we were to assume that the Mark I weighs roughly the same as Mark IV, V, and VI (if not more), then Chief had somehow just managed to propel the equivalent of his bench-pressing max a distance of eight meters, or nearly 27 feet.

keked, that is his one confirmed weakness

does that mean he lost the VEGA backup too?

chief has one extra superpower though, luck

he got lucky on that hit

idk if DOOMGuy would or wouldn't activate the Halo array. He might just shoot guilty spark and proceed to kill all the flood to death because he can. And when he was done he would walk home to earth.

Some Halo 5 cinematics show them off fighting pretty fucking fast and hard.

I imagine in Halo 5 he would of killed Locke in their first encounter and he would have taken down Cortana since he probably doesn't see her as his holo waifu like the chief did.

He would die in the first game, no neural interface, no Cortana, can't lift a tank, not a Reclaimer.
He's dead.

this is why fanboys are impossible to discuss things with

are you honestly saying that an elite is stronger than the spider mastermind, who takes about 100 rockets to kill?

Doomguy would still be strong since every .wad ever for Doom 1+2 are canon to the story.

Also, everytime he dies, he just respawns in hell.

Would have been a retard and killed Arbiter, leading to humanity being comepletely fucked with no Sangheli alliance.

He's human, Humans are all Reclaimers meant to inherit the Mantle.

The game would've been a quarter as long considering he can sprint fast as a motherfucker instead of jog like a fat kid with asthma.

Also carrying all his guns at once. Even if limited to just the Halo arsenal, that's still a force to be reckoned with.

Those were Spartan-IVs. They're poorly defined as well. Frankie O'Connor (who is essentially the George Lucas of Halo) stated that TEN Spartan-IVs would get their ass beat by one Spartan-II. Reason being is that the IVs mostly rely on their advanced GEN2 suits to push them to the same level as Spartan-IIs in the old GEN1 (Essentially, what Chief was wearing in the original trilogy).

But, ya know, Halo 5 sorta disproved that idea. Chief has been stated to have upgraded to GEN2 before the events of Halo 5. Which means when he has that sissy slapping fight with Locke, he has the same advanced tech as his opponent.

Halo 4, for whatever reason, actually retconned that. Now, "Reclaimers" are just random people "chosen by the Librarian" or some shit like that.

No he is not since he is not part that universe he doesn't have the Librarian's Geas so in other words he's a dead man in the Halo universe. If you Chief off in Doom he would slaughter that universe. You put Doomguy in Metroid he wouldn't make it pass the first game because of similar reasons to Halo.

>what if you replaced master chief with angry master chief
Really makes you think

>343i canon

>The problem is though, the capabilities of the Spartan-IIs, and by extension, Chief, have never been properly defined.

I'd disagree.

While your example about the speed and strenght of S2's being predicted by mendez were totally blown apart in the test that ensued with the Mark I exoskeleton is true, since then, there are pretty clear consistent numbers.

For example, Spartan 2's are pretty consistently described to run at 36 miles per hour normally (which is interestingly how fast you run in the more recent halo games with sprint), with kelly being a bit faster. The only real exception to this is during the MKV testing where john breaks his achilles tendon running at around 50mph

Yeah, the opening cutscene to halo 5 is the most lore accurate depiction spartans in an open warzone we've seen outside of the books, they do crazy shit like that all the time.

I don't know, that depends, how strong is the spider mastermind canonically? Oh, wait, Doom has no lore, so there's no fucking answer, see

what about this guy?

kek

Who cares?
It'd still be the single most cancerous game series of all time.

i think its also part of the lore where in the first book as a child he was picked for the spartan program because of his massive luck being tangible after a coin test or something

>Metroid
Well he cant Morphball so yeah Doom guy is fucked.

There was also a trailer with Locke doing the same crazy shit

>doom
>no lore

and the demons are strong enough to overthrow multiple entire dimensions and conquer the whole earth with the exception of doomguy and the people he saved

>he'd have a hell of a lot easier time with it than chief since he's superhuman

So you don't know much about Halo you say

he noclips through the pipe if the BFG doesn't open it up enough

DOOM Guy vs Master Chief vs Space Marine

Who wins?

Doom guy > Space Marine >>>>>>>> Master Chief

SM

What about the Doomguy that can outrun rockets by running backwards

Halo? For its industry impact or fandom?

If the former, they've got Oblivion/Fallout DLC, TF2/etc microtransactions from Valve, and EA's practices in general to compete with.

If the latter, you still have Sonic, FNaF, Minecraft, Undertale and all of Nintendo.

Canonically, it's strong enough to withstand about 100 rockets you dense fucker.

How the fuck is 1 elite stronger than a cyber demon?

You are a god danm retard or just shitposting

Hell would reck the covenant easy

The differences between Doomguy and Master chef same as there similarities.

Both are great weapons and murder machines and are able to take on waves of different enemies and are able to switch around there attack styles to fit it.

However, while Chef will listen to orders and reasoning and such and is able to make compromises, Doomguy cannot.

Doomguy would never side with the elites and still proceed to kill them like any other alien, thus ruining the treaty and throwing humanity at a dis-balance as well as ignoring orders to meet his needs if he ever feels like his higher ups aren't doing things properly.

Master Chef is more social than doomguy, which is saying much since he doesn't talk that much but only says what he needs to say.

Power wise Master chef falters at Doomguys feet because of his personal hell energy and being able to take direct blasts of it with ease and using hell abilities like super speed, strength, and even becoming invincible for a short period of time.

If Master Chef was in Doomguys spot he may have survived a bit against hell but he can't handle the Agent energy of it, and could overload his suit. But his social skills and tech could have opened up new paths as well as discussing with Harden about ways to prevent it from happening again rather than just being teleported away.

Point is, each are better at something than the other, but at the end of the day.
Who cares?

Hell vs the covenant sounds much more fun

meanwhile QuakeGuy had to wake up at 4 in the goddamned morning and do the job all the other slackers couldn't and his reward wasn't a paycheck but getting kidnapped into a weird space arena where people kill each other forever.

This thread is fun to read, I want to read more.

covenant would fucking destroy hell. their glassing technology is OP.

Idk about Doom, but a SM is well ahead of the Chief.

Chief will still win due to retarded amounts of PIS and plot armor.

>implying literal Hell can't ruin a place

Yeah, but hell is a dimension that touches infinite dimensions.

Besides, one argent wave and the Covenant would be fucked and possessed.

>picked because he's lucky
This sounds familiar...
Halo needs more sex with aliens

What if you replace Chief with this guy?

don't they need to charge that up or be summoned to do that though? plus, knowing the covenant, they'd probably invent something to protect themselves from the waves (that is if they weren't all possessed beforehand)

Close fight between Chief and SM but SM will win. :(

as far as we've seen of DOOM universe it seems to rely on idiot scientists inventing portals to it. We don't know how they invaded Argent N'dur.

Batman vs Master Chief?
Captain America vs Master Chief?

Their wouldnt be a halo 3-5 cause he wouldnt leave any survivors in 2

he has more toughness than mc shield, run 10 times faster, and mow through fucking demons
humanity would never have heard about covenants or the flood

>all he really has to do is listen to cortana
Too bad he doesn't want to listen to fucking anyone and actively avoids lore within his own game. Which I love. But expecting him to listen to anyone is too much to expect.

Don't forget about the book series. It will never not be funny that Doomguy is canonically a Mormon.

Fuck that, ALL of Warhammer vs all of DOOM vs all of Halo would be better.

So in other words if you dropped Master Chief or Samus Aran in the Doom universe they won't survive because they don't have the demonic powers that the Doomguy possess?

he does listen to VEGA though. He doesn't give a fuck unless the information pertains to killing demons, then he perks right up.

>covenant would fucking destroy hell

A single flood infested human ship conquered all of High Charity, a hundreds of kilometers long hyper advanced space station with tens of thousands of ships and millions of covenant protecting it.

Every fictional character ever vs Tiber Septim. All at once. You know that Tiber will literally godstomp.

Does he listen to VEGA or do we, as the player, listen to VEGA? Doomguy never says two words. He just happens to have the same goal. Regardless, how happy about being at peace with the Sangheili do you think god ole' Doomguy would be?

>Muh Elite alliance

Nigger please

>ONI gives him Prowler
>throws him into High Charity
>ends up slaughtering the entire station's population save for those who evacuate
>takes control and sets it to ram it into the Elite or Brute homeworld at near light speed
>evacuates before collision
>returns to Earth
>ONI being retarded as usual tries to kill him in order to cover the events up for what ever stupid reason
>Carnage ensues

Not exactly. More like their particular suits of power armor wouldn't be able to withstand Argent energy that well.

At least Quake Marine gets to be a badass cyborg at the end of Quake 4
Basically what i said because they lack the tolerance or "gift" of surviving such energy.

I mean if you look up the logs on what the abilities have on a normal human being, there pretty intense

Doomguy IS us, according to John Romero.

Does that technically mean he can be a woman, if the player is a woman?

He doesn't even evacuate. He rides it down and climbs out and murders everything until he's done.

Women don't play vidya, user. They for opinions vicariously through men ignoring them in favor of vidya.

nah that's Quake 2 Guy if anything, Q4 could be his own Guy like Doom 3. Ranger is definitely stuck forever in the Arena

S T E V I E C A S E

So Doomguy is basically the Reclaimer/Ultimate Warrior of the Doom Universe where only he can stop the evil forces of that universe similar to what Chief is to Halo and what Samus is to Metroid right.

we're talking about new doom guy,the one in the new doom

the difference there is that the covenant had never seen anything like the flood before. they had conquered thousands of planets on tons of species but the flood was completely new to them. hell would be no different than the other enemies they had faced.

Pretty much, yes.

same Guy

not to mention the fact that the covenant was experiencing a huge rebellion at the time, and different species were killing eachother during the fight.

As a trap I pretend my Doom guy is a trap too. I'm convinced it's a better game through my eyes.

I just had a weird thought, what of Billy Blaze aka Commander Keen aka William Blazkowitz III caught some weird space powers and passed them on down his bloodline and that explains why DOOMGuy is so badass? His family were already legendary soldiers like the original BJ

DoomGuy is a badass because of console commands. Literally. I'm not even kidding. New DOOM confirms.

...

or you could just say you're playing as Crash

>Doomguy is tough is hell, but he's not the brightest crayon in the box.

>Distracted and intelligent sounding, (but not a member of the intelligentsia, more like a well-educated tradesman) this guy may be a few cards short of a full deck, but his training serves him well.

Doomguy would likely make mincemeat of everything in Halo's universe. Physically and in his suit, he is probably more powerful than Master Chief (gameplay wise, Doomguy likely bests book lore Chief who is way faster, stronger and ridiculous than his slow floaty game self).

Chief would do fairly well in DOOM's universe until he comes in contact with Hell energy, something neither his body nor his suit is capable of harnessing properly.

>Doomguy cannot reason or make compromises.
Doomguy is certainly reasonable and has the intelligence to navigate complex facilities and operate various technology. He's far from some sort of angry retard, he's just a silent protagonist who REALLY hates demons and people wasting his time.

>Doomguy would never side with the elites and still proceed to kill them like any other alien
Doomguy doesn't have any beef with random aliens. If the aliens aren't starting shit, then he would have no problem working alongside them. He only makes no compromises when it comes to killing demons and sealing off the gates to Hell in the new DOOM, however.

Doomguy doesn't say anything not just because that's just the kind of protagonist the players would expect, but he also doesn't really have anyone to talk to. Samuel and VEGA are speaking to him one-sided, and Doomguy's reply is to just break shit that is in any way harnessing demonic energy (he doesn't go smashing things at random).

Pretty much, it's implied constantly that Chief has insane amounts of luck and it's what makes him stand out among the other Spartans. Here's that coin flip part you were talking about, too.

Friendly reminder that Halo 4 and 5, as well as the expanded works they spawned, are not canon.

See, but that's not how it works in halo, which is my point. Gameplay is not canon in Halo. According to you, gameplay is canon in doom

They inherently just don't mesh.

Plenty of 343 books are still good

In fact, here.

>God tier
Silentium (343)
Contact Harvest (bungie)

>Great tier
Ghosts of Onyx (Bungie)
Broken Circle (343)
Cryptum (343)
Last Light (343)
Evolutions (Bungie)

>Good tier
Shadow of Intent (343)
Fall of Reach (Bungie)
Primordium (343)
First Strike (Bungie)
Hunters in the Dark (343)
Saints Testimoney (343)

>Okay Tier
Glasslands (343)
Cole Protocol (Bungie)
Thursday War (343)
New Blood (343)

>Ehh tier
The flood (Bungie)

>Shit tier
Mortal Dictatata (343)

I don't think you understand how OP the flood is.. A single multi system wide flood infection would kick the shit out of the entire 40k universe, chaos gods and all

I think you fail to realize how fucking huge 40K is, and how little they care about the thousands of planets they can destroy on a whim.

In the imperium of man, loss is not measured in lives, it is measured in planets.

see

As bad as they are I can accept 4 & 5 more than ODST & Reach.

If you're taking Q3A as canon (which it isn't), Q2 guy (Bitterman) is stuck in the Arenas as well.

Q4 guy just kind of exists outside standard id canon, I guess?

Wouldn't DOOM guy lose fast because he heals from killing demons?

Im pretty sure he heals when he causes suffering, thats just my guess though.

Why the fuck does he have a happy grin instead of the dead face?

he's happy to have finally found peace, however briefly

Well heres a question no one really asks

What would happen if Master Chef and Doomguy swapped ARMOR and had to fight in there usual games?

Doomguy would be the perfect NPC companion to MC

First mission featuring him would be a reverse-escort mission. He'd be that Spartan you should emulate, doesn't say a fucking word and just gets the job done while kicking every available ass

Finale, outnumbered as fuck, he kicks you through the door to the escape route and shuts the door, holding them back while you go on to do your plot-bullshit
You come back to the same spot in the next game, the area is completely devastated, and his corpse isn't among the carnage