How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?

How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?

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Berseria looks good

Get rid of Baba, stop pandering to fangirls and extreme otakus, maybe hire a different artist? I always thought the last 5 years of Tales O character look extremely "off", maybe they need to invest into modeling to get that uncanny valley sorted out.

Tales series does not need saving. Its a yearly thing, and it sells.

>yearly thing
Part of the problem

Give us English Destiny R, Rebirth, and Vesperia PS3 (that doesn't require an old machine) so we put the series down on a high note

Let the guys who did the R games be the primary developers.

Stop with the ridiculous ~ia titles
Keep Abyss or Vesperia's battle system
Better character design

We don't, Tales died with Zestria.

Remove Milla

Reintroduce world maps.
Reintroduce a cooking system that isn't premade meals.
Use a composer that isn't Sakuraba, or give Sakuraba the option and encouragement to compose consistently good music.
DLC costumes are fine, but holy fuck, give us more in-game unlockable costumes that aren't just recolors, you bastards.
Make skits available at more than just save points.

Make the games longer, flesh out the characters more. Return to the formula of playing through a third or half of the game against one antagonist, only for the rest of the game to take off in a different direction after some big reveal, twist, or other drastic change.
Where the fuck was this in Zestiria?
Where the hell have the minigames gone?

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localize radiant mythology 2 & 3, make more world series games instead of creating more and more unlikable characters.

>vesperia ps3
hell, just sell an 'hd version' like they did with symphonia, and bundle the OVA with it.

if microsoft still gets exclusivity, whatever, that just means I'd need to get an xbone.

but both graces and xillia's battle systems were great.

It's probably too late to save.
They've had a decent run of mediocre games for a long while now and that's something they have to get out of to save it. I can't pinpoint anything sepcific, there's just a bunch of small decisions gone wrong.

Have Yoshito Higuchi direct all Tales games from now on.

Every game he hasnt directed was shit. it's the same thing as Miyzaki and the Souls series.

More like stop pandering to fujoshits.

But they're doing that with Berseria

Yes, which is why every time someone says Berseria will save Tales of, I laugh heartily.

Stop releasing a game every year and do it every other year to give them more time to work on it.

How do you figure that? It isn't starring the Ambiguously Gay duo like Zestiria.

>It needs saving

We don't. We should let it die while we remember the last best tales game

Tales of Vesperia.

>vesperia
>liking literally anything after phantasia
shithead

>Reintroduce world maps.

Are you fucker still this delusional?
World maps are fucking gone from JRPGs.
Get the fuck on with your lives.

Are they ever going to re-release Vesperia? I don't think I'll ever have the opportunity to play it.

nigger, phantasia is basically unplayable compared to later entries, unless you play the remake using eternia's engine.

at which point, you're liking eternia, faggot.

But why?

More importantly, why do people want World Maps? I don't think they're anything special.

Now I do think he's qt and everything but the fact he's surrounded by all these onee-sans in the game is literally the selling point for me.

With how Tales been going there's a chance he will end up with a guy

Isn't the whole reason people are hyped for this game is that it won't go the way Tales has been going?

>implying

Aizen and Rokuro and redpilling him about how awful women are. He's not taking any of their shit.

Having a map to traverse goes a long way towards giving the world a sense of scale.

That scale is rarely enhanced by traversing zones in sequence. These zones actually make it feel less distant.

The only reason I'd drop a world map is if I'm limiting the setting to a single region.

I don't think they can help themselves. Also remember 90% of the stuff outside of just the games are bought by women. So Namco has always been to appeal to them more than others.

This, but don't actually let them remake any more games. Have them make new ones.

Come on now. As if the fujo pandering throughout the series wasn't enough, they even got exactly what they wanted with Zestiria in terms of blatant yaoi. Lets have some /ss/ hope for once now that Babatshit crazy is gone.

Would be nice to have a game where you didn't defeat evil with the power of friendship.

I liked Tales of Xillia. I thought Doctor Punch and girl Jesus were a nice couple.

Actually buy their stuff and maybe they will actually pander to you. Namco makes way more money off fujo than they ever will from you guys. You might not like hearing it but it's true.

Microsoft purchased the rights in America. Which is why Sony fans import the Japanese version.

Wasted potential: the series
Last time they went all in was Vesperia now we have rushed unfinished jobs with rushed unfinished sequels.

So did I. The Xillia's were decent games.

At this point they make these games for merchandising purposes. The merchandise has never appealed so I'll probably stop buying the games instead.

>How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?

what do you mean save ?

tales of was always a niche series heavy on shoujo shit intended for fujoshis.

Sup Forumsirgins on the other hand shilled for these games pretending they were for a general audience.

>At this point
Have you never played a Namco game before? That's more or less what it's always been. The video games tend to just be done to sell the toys or make people care more about their shows.

How can I buy what doesn't appeal to me in order to hope something of theirs eventually does? That's a drone logic and worst logic.

The merch side of things has expanded a ton in the last 15 years.

I guess my idea of 'At this point' spans a longer time-frame than your own.

Make Vesperia 2

Buy the waifu figures I guess. I'm just saying when Namco does their Tales festival 90% of the people there are females.
Dude Namco AND Bandai has been doing shit like this since NES days. They have always been more of a anime/toy seller over video games. They mostly make really cheap things to sell to kids. WonderSwan might be the biggest video game thing they ever did and it was even cheaper than the Gameboy at the time.

Remove Sakuraba. I don't care who replaces him, it could be Go Shiina, it could not but, just keep Sakuraba away from the series.

Remove Baba. Already happening.

Fujishima as the sole character designer, or someone else good. The other three are shit, and more to the point, creates inconsistencies in design. Just one, and make it the best.

Longer dev cycles to polish and put more into the game. Maybe we could have interesting dungeons, or writing that doesn't shit the bed halfway through or less. Three years seems good, maybe two and a half.

I've never played a Tales game but they look interesting.

What would you guys suggest as the best one to play if I have a PS4, PS3, and 360? My PC is kill atm and I can't put anything on my laptop as it's supposed to be for work and IT will throw a shitfit.

The merch side never had this much sway until recently. Yes, they always did it, but it was more of a side operation to maximise profit on each project.

Now it is becoming the express purpose of the project.

Making merchandise to assist the game vs making the game to assist the emrchandise.

The last Tales game I played was Graces.

Anything that didn't have to do with the combat system was ultimate ass.

JRPGs need to be reminded that combat is only one element of gameplay.

More Milla.

Reboot. Series has always been shit.

Elympios really was a wasted opportunity. I thought the whole divide between how it and Rieze Maxia developed was great.

Maxia had magic and spirits and shit so they never really developed any sort of technology so they were essentially a few hundred years behind Elympios. Meanwhile Elympios had to rely of essentially fossil fuels so they became an extremly modern world nation.

I really wish they had fleshed out Elympios more

We need more games like Graces f

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Except no. Series always change based on where the money is. Always has been the case. It's just now the focus is not on the male gamer but on yoai loving females. Namco just sees where the actual money lies and change the product to get more of it.

milla should not have been available as the MC on your first run of tales of xillia. you lose out on a lot of character development and a huge chunk of the game while she's dead.

I wouldn't mind dungeon crawler like Tales of game.

Have unblockable dungeons, crafting systems, puzzles and all kind of gameplay centric shit with Tales of combat as the base. No shitty story, no world building, just pure gameplay.

>Namco just sees where the actual money lies and change the product to get more of it.
Yeah, I'd see it like that too if I withheld half my series to the general audience for 2 decades and then kept basing my sales pitch to whatever interests that one country that got them all has.

You know what happen to the last JRPG with a notable(And fun) battle system that tried that?

It went poorly.

vesperia HD with ps3 content and then throw the series into the dumpster because 90% of them are dogshit, including every single game post vesperia when the two teams merged and they locked half the game behind DLC

And which game was that?

Also, sasuga aceman. Keep that Sophie dump coming

Have the heroes lose.

Tales of fightan from Fench Bread when?

Grandia Xtreme.

Tried doing a roguelike experience focused entirety on the battle system.

It backfired. Hard.

Oh here's some more Sophie.

Public statement of how Marta is best girl.

Let it die

She is extremely cute

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My nigga
I thought Martafags were extinct.

>Beseria looks good
Ha!

Stop getting influenced by the Graces' artstyle and combat. They are both shit and have stagnated the series long enough.
Millia 2: Electric Boogaloo (Edge Edition) is not enough to warrant a good game, let alone a good character. Yeah she's hot, but so what?
And speaking about characters, just don't make them as shit. Tales' stories are always the same recycled garbage about a misunderstood villain. That's alright, but at least make the cast enjoyable goddamn.

If I were in charge, I'd say that what is necessary right now is not make an "apology" game just to appease angry fans. Make another game, with its own lore, and make it 2.5D using the original C.C. system. It will be very hard to dislike due to how fucking fun it would be. Seriously, just play Destiny PS2. Tell me that isn't your favorite Tales game after going crazy with the aerial mobility.

Replathe Milla'th voith actreth.

I liked Zestiria.

>Reboot of an anthology series

>not liking Graces gameplay
>caring about story and characters

I actually really liked grandia Xtreme. Felt like it was the best in the serie, gameplaywise of course.

It seems decent yeah. I don't really have any hate for it. But I seen it get trashed hard.

>Tell me that isn't your favorite Tales game after going crazy with the aerial mobility.
I have not played Destiny but I've never been a fan of nonsense combos in Tales. I like Graces because it rewards efficiency over flashiness. Same reason I prefer Ninja Gaiden to DMC.

Is Graces f good?

1. End the DLC facism
2. Better PC ports with 60fps
3. PS3 Vesperia (on pc)

The combat system is.

Literally everything else is garbage, in my opinion.

That's not Mikleo

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>liking a shitshow where all you do is hold the square button to dodge, and have literally cookiecutter combos

>not appreciating one of the things that have made the Tales series what it is: enjoyable characters

You might have 47 chrosomes or might be a bad baiter, but get the fuck out of my thread. I have always lamented that characters as based as Hubert and Pascal got stuck in fucking Graces. Everything in that game was mediocre at best, excluding those two.

This, just watch this and you'll understand enough of the story

It's okay. Fun battle system. Almost everything else varies.

Combat is great unless you're obsesses with "muh airgame."

Characters are 50/50. MC a shit, love interest a shit (but Laura Bailey saves her somewhat), everyone else ranges from barely tolerable to great. Skits are pretty good regardless.

Story is hot garbage. One of the worst in the series.

>Ambiguously Gay duo

who? aizen looks cool as fuck, just as that samurai, the only gay shit is that shota.

>feel like playing graces f again
>remember that I'd have to play the goddamn tutorial again since I got a new ps3
FUCK
I could play xillia OH WAIT SAME PROBLEM

not him but I couldn't stand graces gameplay, it is the absolute worst victim of "spam dash/free run to become invincible and then button mash endless combos to win", only with lots of stupid shit like

>enemies will literally chase you around the arena to attack whoever is player 1 ignoring everyone else 90% of the time, making playing casters near impossible because you just get raped
>annoying as fuck forge mechanic
>enemy weakpoint system that just requires you to go into the menu and memorize a slightly different chain of attacks for every new enemy type
>the fact that the enemy powerup mode is impossible to stop against bosses because you have to hit them so many times you WILL fill their gauge
>the AI that is complete garbage and doesn't unnderstand the dodge-heavy nature of the combat at all, I have very fond memories of fighting enemies like emeaud or the giant boar on hard (which the game heavily encourages you to do for better shit), watching my team stand there like morons and get threeshot by the bosses attacks, then when I revive them they just die seconds later meaning I eventually ran out of life bottles and had to solo them.

The CC system in general is a mistake and it removes one of the most important parts of making rpg combat interesting/challenging in resource management. Ok in games with TP there comes a point where you can just guzzle gels endlessly and never run out of TP but there's still over half the game where you need to actually conserve that shit. in graces you just spam moves all the time which is certainly more flashy and leads to more TOTALLY EPIC COMBO VIDS but its boring as fuck to do the same combo over and over without having to go "maybe I should save my shit for a real enemy"

also are you seriously saying you shouldn't care about story or characters in a fucking RPG series where half of the gametime is dialogue that you can't skip? are you for real?

>liking Hubert and Pascal
Now THIS is a bait.

>liking a shitshow where all you do is hold the square button to dodge, and have literally cookiecutter combos
>not having fun with Flame Dragon Rampages with Sophie
Literally the most fun I've ever had landing Mystic Artes in any Tales of game.

The combat is probably the best in the series.
Everything else is pretty autistic

> all you do is hold the square button to dodge
>wtf why can't i move why is my CC at 0

>tfw played this game with my friend
>the two of us watching this scene uncomfortably
I had almost forgotten and you've taken this away from me

>>Literally the most fun I've ever had landing Mystic Artes in any Tales of game.
Graces MA's are really satisfying to pull off.

I'd play again if I didn't have to go through the child arc again and I have to since my file was gone

Child arc is so boring.