Is this parry baiting->one shot hornet ring kill meta the worst in souls games history?

Is this parry baiting->one shot hornet ring kill meta the worst in souls games history?

Yes, much like anyone with a brain predicted, it's like Das1's meta all over again.

Who would have thought Das2 would end up being the best PvP game?

Nothing can top le ebin havelmoms, giant dads and nodachilds.

god Dark Souls 3 was so fucking good while it lasted. it burnt like a flare, super hot and bright, just not very long.
i'm satisfied, i raped people, with estoc and with a magic build. truth be told, 1v1 duels got boring. all the fun was going crazy on people in the kiln.

>Who would have thought Das2 would end up being the best PvP game?

desu Das2 had the worst. it never evolved for any way you want to play. Sorcerers always used soul vortex -> crystal soul spear, hexers always used affinity -> dark hail, UGS and greatswords were gamebreakingly OP, etc

dark souls 2 definitely has the most overrated multiplayer in souls games.

It is about as shitty as DS1's circle strafe BS or BS bait.

The only Dark Souls game with decent PVP was DS2.

I guess you only played it during its first months then, because all the stuff you listed got nerfed.

If you never played DeS or early DaS PVP I guess

what NG+ level are you on for your characters in DS3, bros?

There's really no reason to not play the game for PvE only since covenants still barely work and the meta is god-awful.

why the fuck are greatswords so fucking shitty in this game you could go an make a sandwich in the time it takes for you to do two R1's and wait for your stamina to regen

>be a dexfag
>tired of people fucking parry fishing and bs baiting all the time
>make a new char
>str/vit/end/faith
>iron golem's set
>WotG, tranquil walk of peace and sunlight blade
>mfw they try to get near me
>mfw they think that bringing some friends will save them

I usually just go to NG+1 because thats where I'm able to get enough souls to get to level 120 and I leave it at that

theres no real incentive to go beyond NG+1 since the gameplay doesn't change much like DS2 did

I was very active in DS2 until DS3 came out. The meta was use 1-2 things good about your character and that was it.

sorcereries are by and large useless (especially DLC ones), hexes are by and large useless (especially DLC ones), miracles were mostly useless (ESPECIALLY THE FUCKING DLC ONES), pyromancies were somewhat decent but mostly shit (especially the DLC ones)

and that's just the magic

daggers, reapers, whips, fists, lances, halberds, axes, spears, hammers, and most twinblades were dogshit

for PvE you can use whatever, but PvP you were going to get abused if you didn't use the spells that you can count on 1 hand that were actually usable in PvP in the game, or a few non-shitty weapons from the few non-shitty weapon classes.

Yup

It ruins pretty much any pvp fight. If you catch on and dont fall for the bait the fight just never progresses until you just want to turn off the game and play bloodborne

Was thinking of getting this game.
I had DaS2 for PS3 but never really enjoyed it much, I played the shit out of DeS and DaS1. However, I never played SOTFS but I heard good things about it.
Should I get DaS3 or SOTFS?

I'm not really interested in PVP by the way, which is the better single player?

>the fight just never progresses until you just want to turn off the game and play bloodborne

Hornet ring is the best ring.

No dishonarubru in surprise.

I'm similar in the sense that I don't give a fuck about PvP.

I got DS3 on launch, and, I kinda wish I just waited for the GOTY scholar of the second sin or whatever the edition is with all the DLC/game changes to come out.

too many gimmick/joke bosses for the final game in the entire series and not enough new additions in NG+ cycles (really nothing at all besides + and ++ rings in various locations)

So you think I should go for SOTFS then maybe wait for a similar release for DaS3?

Yes

But the actual meta is stalling and reactive R1s and running R1s.

Reminder that DaS1 actually had perfectly fine PVP and that poise wasn't actually an issue.

Literally all they had to do was raise ninja flip ring to 30% load and nerf Havel's ring.

Yes, unfortunately I don't think the gimmick/joke bosses are going to get fixed in the re-release edition of DS3, but there will hopefully be more NG+ content (really anything at all), and the DLC areas will be out and good.

If you didn't like DS2 you still might not like SOTFS. It just depends on what you didn't like in DS2 in the first place.

If you can get SOTFS for cheap then I'd say go for it, but if you really disliked everything about DS2 to the point where you didn't even finish it then maybe just save your money or pick up a game you know you are interested in.

I will say that the three DLC areas for DS2 are almost universally beloved, aside from maybe 1-2 encounters across the three of them.

>DaS1 prior to patch 1.4/pc release
>Tranquil walk of peace is a 15 faith miracle that cast an AOE around you that causes other players in that AOE to move as if over encumbered and lose roll
>fog ring made prevented the wearer from being locked on to
Nothing in any other souls game has compared to that bullshit.

Thanks user. I can pick up SOTFS for £15 which is over half the price of DS3 so I'll go for that I think.

I'm not sure what I disliked about DS2 really but it didn't keep me playing like the previous games did. Hopefully the DLC areas are enough to keep me playing

>whips
>fists
>lances
>hammers
>dogshit in pvp
lmao the only dogshit here is you, probably one of those kids that got mad when someone styled on them without meta builds

kys

Why do people focus on playing metabuilds in a game so casual as dark souls?

This is not a competitive fps or a rts, you should do whatever the hell you like just for the sake of fun, why do people feel the need to win no matter what on a videogame?

to win

>why do people feel the need to win no matter what on a videogame?

Nobody likes to die to another player.

Nobody likes to watch their character die, watch YOU DIED text on the screen, watch a loading screen, then watch you stand next to a bonfire, then run all the way back to where you were if you got invaded, or back to the fight club to sit through another loading screen to be able to fight someone else again.

who else /dorhy's gnaw/ here? shit tears through everything that doesn't resist it

i have 35STR/23DEX/25faith. what would you recommend? i already tried and had fun with a whole variety of weapons. what would be good for my stats? lightning weapon?

I'm going to finally play 2 after I finish 3. PS4 or Steam?

there's so much wrong in this post holy shit

It's a tragedy that 10/10 weapons like the Drang Hammers are wasted on this piece of shit game

that is perhaps the easiest spell in the game to dodge, and in DS3, that's really saying something.

Too bad Dorhys' never lands on players. If it could, I'd be wrecking shop with a bleed/miracle build.

Like most multiplats if you can, get it on PS4.

Why would you ever get something on the PS4 instead of PC? specially DaS2 which is so easy to run at 4k

>Sorcerers always used soul vortex -> crystal soul spear
I'm playing a dex/ int character that uses heavy soul arrow and the flashsword (I forget the DaS2 name, sue me) and I've been winning the majority of invasions/ duels.
You would be amazed at how many people can't dodge magic, even now.
>some dumb fuck in full Havels with UGS fatrolls/ gets knocked down after a parry
>time soul spear to hit them as they get up

DS3 has the worst pvp in the entire series.

Even though 2 eventually made pvp shit because of soul memory, until that ruined things it was very enjoyable. 3 is just complete shit and if you're still trying to force yourself through it in the hope it will get better, you are just wasting time.

PC port of 2 is reputedly the best in the series.
Get the DX11 version of SoTFS, btw.

>people are actually still playing DaS3
pffft, it was just as bad on launch, what did you expect?

PvP
3 > SOTFS > 1 > 2

PvE
1 > 2 > 3 > SOTFS

I can't tell if this is bait, or if you're just legitimately stupid.

...

you have no idea what you're talking about

>I was very active in DS2
>Says a bunch of dumb shit that isn't at all true.

$0.02 has been deposited in your Valve shill accounts

Im genuinely better at pvp in 3. Backstab fishermen are all the rage in the rest.

I'd rather (easily) deal with backstab fishing than the shitfest that is DaS3's PvP.
Making backstabs literally impossible to land on anyone that isn't asleep at the controller was not the correct way to address the problem: you can't even punish chuggers because the heal is instant and they can walk out of the animation.

t. 2h CCS + running r1 washing pole faggpt

Actually I main the Dragonslayer Greataxe.

>I can make assumptions too

t. Estoc faggot.

>(easily) deal with backstab fishing
You're not playing the same games I'm playing. Once your locked in a backstab animation, its game over. As for estus chugging, i don't care for invasions (anything goes). I'm more of a duelist and I adhere to the 'no estus' rule.

t. reddit

>see some fucker strafe to my side
>strafe in the opposite direction
>if they get too close, roll away and use the the "no no no" gesture
>zone appropriately and win
Obviously latency is an issue, but there's no helping that.

>Once your locked in a backstab animation, its game over.

If your character initiates a backstab in DaS3, the enemy has to get out of range by rolling away. If they do anything else that isn't more roll spam, the backstab will go through anyways no matter what orientation they're facing.

Untrue. I've had people literally walk out of the animation while casually drinking.
>chugchug
>initiate animation
>they walk away as the animation continues

I suppose I meant "either a roll or movement directly away". I've also noticed that some weapons have slower backstab starters than others, basic maces in particular.

>spears and daggers begin backstabs fast enough to be counted in attoseconds
>maces take a fucking year for the backstab to swing, to the point where I wonder if shit's broken half of the time

Those who didn't play DeS.
>Escapable infinites and tech traps.
>Proper oki.
>No poise.
>Great movesets and weapon tiers.
>Not slow as fuck compared to DkS2.
>Mandatory SC for big comebacks and no 1-shots.
>No 0f parry shit and longer parry recovery for maximum bait.

Aside from grass it was goat PvP, and nobody grass after a few months anyways.

Whatever the case, I can't deal with it.
DaS3's PvE was a blast first time through, but the PvP nearly gave me a heart attack. Had way more fun sl1 fucking with people in the Burg during that DaS Reddit event, and then invading in SoTFS.

I hear the meta quickly devolved into DBS and Scraping spear, with non-stop infinite grass munching.

I miss the first few days when bosses had 5 million signs outside of their fog gates and people who invaded also were super new to the game so you had a pretty good chance at surviving

ROFL NO

reminder that the fucking hornet ring got buffed

cant parry ultra swords while 2 handing

I realised it wouldn't last, but it was still really nice to see.

t. Use catchall insult = No imagination

Of course I'm gonna avoid Backstabs, I'm just saying there are fishermen in DaS1&2 that have it down to an artform.

Yeah, there are some duels I inadvertently got backstabs on opponents because of this.

You've never played DeS. Stop spouting shit like a retard.

Scraping Spear was suicide against anyone even halfway decent. Almost no or limited grass in 4-1 dueling grounds as of spring 2010.

The meta was Mirdan Hammer/Gaxe/BBS > All.
Then Kat >>>>>>> All.
Then Estoc > Kat >>>>> All.
DBS was never good until the very end, where it eventually became God Tier with Estoc and you had:
S: DBS/Estoc.
A+: Kat.
A: Hammer, Gaxe, Kilij.
B: Northern Regalia, Winged Spear.
C: Claymore, BBS/Guillotine/Knight Sword, Crescent Axe, etc.
Meme Tier: Light Knuckle.

>I hear x
>"fucking poser stop pretending you know what you're talking about"
Defensive little prick, aren't you?

>no argument

Thanks for playing!