If they don't have Stalin, Hitler, or any ww2 era leader in this game I am going to fucking sue...

If they don't have Stalin, Hitler, or any ww2 era leader in this game I am going to fucking sue. WW2 was a time when civilization changed the most drastically so there should be references.

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I wonder when it will be discouraged for putting Muslims in any video games. Hitler isn't that influential anymore.

Also there should be unique units for every country and for every era.
Hate how when you are in a war in the atomic era the fucking japs have infantry men that look like Americans like that is fucking stupid.

You can represent WWII without using WWII era leaders.

Germany will probably have some shitty medieval leader baka

>there should be references.

The Civ series has always had them, in the form of technology developed and perfected during that time period.

If you need Stalin or Hitler to see that Civilization recognizes the great technological and industrial strides during the time, you're an idiot.

Yeah, but every country should have different looking units. Like it's dumb how America has the T-34 tank as the standard tank even though that is a soviet tank.
Germans

Very little references besides the technology and some of the order and autocracy perks.

>Very little references

I would disagree, but even very little is more than none.

So what's there to complain about?

civ V had plenty of ww2 units such as panzer, zero and the flying fortress and arguably the pracinha

probably the only decent WW2 leader is Churchill, and I wouldn't be surprised if they featured him

Im pretty sure they have had Charles de Gaulle, churchill and roosevelt

No strategy game has included Hitler except when they absolutely needed to. (i.e. Hearts of Iron), solely because of German legislation regarding Nazi stuff.
They had Stalin in Civ 4, they seem to be deliberately searching for civ leaders that are lesser know.
Save Monty, really, but that's just nobody but a scholar knows much of anything about the Aztecs.

>if they don't have what I like I'm going to throw a fit.
Your starting to sound like an sjw.

>solely because of German legislation regarding Nazi stuff

Why don't the devs just have a character called 'Hitler' but without any kind of Nazi symbolism. Looks like some random guy, too.

Surely Germany hasn't outlawed the name itself.

hoi4 had to have the painted portrait of him as seperate dlc for non german countries. dont know if thats strictly going by law or playing it extra safe though

I don't understand why Germany is so ashamed of WW2. They had some of the strongest warriors of all time. They fought 3 superpowers at once for more than 4 years.

>Churchill
>decent

Loving every kek

>I don't understand why Germany is so ashamed of WW2

They probably don't anymore. But it'll probably be a huge battle if they try to repeal all those laws.

Being an aggressor who lost kinda sucks

>aztec special unit replaces the warrior
>literally the first most useless unit as the ages advance

get fukd redskins

I don't see why they need to include Stalin or Hitler when those two leaders weren't particularly well-received by history for the direction they took their country; Civilization has always been about leaders that made their country a better place when they left office or died, not brought it to ruin.

Besides, you're an idiot if you think there's some political commentary going on with the Civilization series, it's always been very fair and balanced in what they portray as the "good" or "bad" parts of history.

Will canada be in?

oh please

They got luck against France, gave up quickly on the UK and we saw how things went when they decided to face Soivet.

I agree they gave to quickly on the UK but what makes you say they lucked out on france?

Yes but hitler and Stalin both changed civilization for good and bad. If Hitler did not start WW2 we would not have a lot of the technology we have today. We might have never gotten into a Cold War with the Soviet Union.

Well the self shaming seemed to work better than the outside shaming after the first world war.

I'd rather them focus on the lesser known, great people and periods of time.

>mfw the cleavage on the Cleopatra animation

Jesus.

They did not get lucky. France was literally retarded during WW2. They had gotten military plans for the invasion and still didn't stop it.

Is sweden in the game this time around? What leader do we get? Karl X? Karl XII? Gustavus again?

They did invent blitzkrieg and much of armored warfare as its known today.

Because the French gave up rather quickly and the German crossing through Belgium did not go unnoticed, but because of intelligence fuck up the invasion went a lot better then planned.

A LOT better then planned

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>If Hitler did not start WW2 we would not have a lot of the technology we have today. We might have never gotten into a Cold War with the Soviet Union.

>we would not have a lot of the technology we have today.

Tens of millions of people getting exterminated in a war that caused the collapse of European Empires and saw the rise of genocide unseen since the dawn of civilization is not something a lot of people would consider worth having their smart phones in 2010 rather than 2040.

Hitler brought ruin to Germany just as Stalin did to Russia, Civilization is making a point that those people are not worthy of a leadership slot because whatever fruit they bore their people was either poison or at the cost of their lives.

>starting

They are the original SJWs.

How much are you getting paid per post? Just curious.

It was the Cold War afterward that caused the massive boost in technology. If ww2 did not happen, the Cold War wouldn't have happened.

This is the laziest bait I've ever seen, man.

The fuck is a sjw you fuckin nerd

So its more France fucked up than Germany lucked out

>My knowledge of world history only consists of WWII

Fuck off, underage.

>saw the rise of genocide unseen since the dawn of civilization.

And what I'm saying is the course of history would've been just fine if the Cold War never happened, same with World War 2.

We would have gotten our space ships and automatic weapons eventually, the Victorian era was proof enough that even in peace you can have surges of discovery.

It wasn't tens of millions

Germany lucked up because France fucked up.

ww2 drove alot of that though : radar, nuclear energy, The german rocket program, mechanical computing, a viable jet engine for aircraft, synthetic material production (rubber, oil) etc.

>Tens of millions of people getting exterminated in a war that caused the collapse of European Empires and saw the rise of genocide unseen since the dawn of civilization is not something a lot of people would consider worth having their smart phones in 2010 rather than 2040.

Good work taking a stance on an issue that nobody was arguing about. Really outed yourself as a retard there.

Allright, I can agree to that

>game series prides itself on historical accuracy
>rewrites images or characters to avoid being banned in countries.

Are there any games that DON'T do this?

The eastern front alone had 10s of millions look it up

>Wanting more conquest victory leaders

Fucking boring.

HO4 doesn't do it. But in Germany butler is just a dark portrait

It's true though, back in the Bronze Age it was easy as fuck to exterminate entire cultures when they were concentrated in a specific region or even tribe. When things expanded this became harder and harder until it was practically impossible to "truly" wipe out, say, the British in 1850 or the Germans in the 16th century.

The modern age saw governments with the capacity to destroy entire cultures, as the Turks tried to do with the Armenians, the Americans did so efficiently with the Native Americans and the Germans tried with the Jews and Slavs.

>It wasn't tens of millions

I count civilians and soldiers because if the war never happened they would have never died.

>Why is the russian text red?
>oh.

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Civ V had an entire "great war era" added with Gods and Kings and part of the whole point of Brave New World was to expand upon the way the world went through major ideological overhauls after the industrial era hit.

IIRC Stalin has been in Civ before, so was Mao. But Hitler? Civ has kind of been about good leaders, Hitler was much more of a flash in the pan who grew Germany up only to get himself in a war he couldn't win and have it torn apart all over again.

Well you said exterminated. Technically only the jews were exterminated, everyone else chose to fight.

>Good work taking a stance on an issue that nobody was arguing about. Really outed yourself as a retard there.

The user was insinuating World War 2 was justified because it brought about the Cold War and technological innovation.

I was telling him that is fucking stupid because people would rather have a little bit of technological backwardness if it means keeping hundreds of millions of people alive.

>for good and bad

But the only decent WW2-era leader was FDR.

The rest were trash.

Depends what you count as "exterminating". Wikipedia lists 30 million civilians to have died due to "military activity and crimes against humanity"

The Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, the Slavs and the physically/mentally-handicapped were also exterminated.

You could argue the mechanical, streamlined means of murder we had developed during World War 2 against both civilians and soldiers could be called extermination. I would consider the plight of the Russians to be extermination, same with the Polish.

Meh, Hitler was a good leader though. He gave orders and people followed. If they made his bonuses having something to do with great charisma, I think it would really work out What's better is that it could have a diplomacy effect, giving Hitler a better chance to have peaceful victories rather than conquest. Which would kind of be hilarious.

im not an sjwfag but i don't think germany would appreciate being represented by one of histories most despised men

>idolizing a cripple

>it's a "Sup Forums becomes armchair history analysts" episode

>You will never animate FDR doing a wheelie with Civ VI graphics.

There will probably be a mod for him so who gives a shit? What game designer in their right mind would take that risk?

Shouldn't have gassed all those kikes, then.

It's a video game. Why are social study books in middle school allowed to talk about this stuff then? It was history

>Hitler was a good leader though
Being a good leader does not just mean getting people to follow you. You also need to make good decisions. Getting into war against pretty much everyone is not indication of great leadership.

I don't really think that it's worth it. There were better leaders that still captured the expansionist German mindset anyway.

IF people really want Hitler they'll just mod him in like they did with the other games.

>hitler
>not otto von bismark

>Hitler was a good leader though

No he wasn't, he made terrible decisions that saw everything he built up get thrown in the furnace, fracturing Germany into East/West and effectively killing their national spirit in a way that's still felt today.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

because history is history and bad shit happened. It should be taught. But Civ celebrates different cultures achievements and identities and i don't think it'd be appropriate to summarize Germany with the man that committed genocide.

It probably wouldn't be cool to have America have a slavery perk that lets you produce more cotton either.

>Stalin and Mao are good leaders
Millions of dead Russians and Chinese might disagree

The cultural revolution in particular was a massive disaster

>He gave orders and people followed
Because German culture says that you should always follow the orders from the boss

>Meh, Hitler was a good leader though

FUCK no. He was an amazing demagogue. But he made many terrible decisions, both before and after the war began.

You're getting being a good leader and being a good person mixed up. They're not the same thing. Well, I guess they could be, but I was specifically thinking of his ability to lead as getting people to follow. You could argue that's just manipulation but it's a pretty fine line.

>slavery perk that lets you produce more cotton

But that would be rad.

>, but I was specifically thinking of his ability to lead as getting people to follow.

It takes more than charisma to be a leader that's worth remembering. You need intelligence, wisdom and the ability to work with your people to leave your nation in a better place than when you found it.

Hitler did none of this, he could get people to follow, but where did he lead them? Was Germany in 1945 better off than it was in 1932?

They have worked hard to cleanse themselves of genocide and apply for readmission to the human race.

>It probably wouldn't be cool to have America have a slavery perk that lets you produce more cotton either.

I think that would be cool. The only problem is perks like that would be unbalanced. Industrial and cultural juggernauts would get all the cool shit, that's part of the reason they're still around today.

But you wouldn't get any neato shit playing as American Indians or something.

Ya'll are right, I wasn't really accounting for how shitty things were when he left. I was really only thinking of the beginning, which you can't tell me he wasn't doing very well at first. He united the entire country, got everyone to work together for a single purpose and they were pretty prosperous for a time.

I suppose you could say he was both a great and terrible leader.

If we do it'll be Pierre or Justin Trudeau as Civ leader, the risk of getting Justin is too great for me to want that

I'd hope for Pierre myself

>Victorian era was proof enough that even in peace you can have surges of discovery.

Oh no. It was a fullblown Cold War only with many more players. People have just forgotten about it.

I am German and I would welcome it. Why? Because Hitler wasnt worse than any other dictator. Calling the Holocaust exceptional is a fucking real life meme.

Where the Sinti and Roma not systematically eradicated by the French? What about the natives in America? The Mayans by the Spanish? The Korean by the Japanese? Basically any living being who didnt abide the rules by the Communists? What about white people in certain parts of Africa? Is throwing someone into a gas chamber really more gruesome than pillaging a person village, raping his wife and daughter in front of his eyes just to slit their throats in the process? Pretty I'd take the gas chamber over that.

Hitler is no more a dick than any modern leader was. Every single one of them kills thousands, maybe even millions to assure a better future for his citizens. Hitler did great things for Germany, people just choose to ignore that because muh Holocaust. Everybody also seems to dismiss the fact that a dismantled nation was all global powers on the planet to team up to stop the Nazi Regime from taking over the entire continent of Europe. Germanys WW2 result really isnt something to be ashamed of.

Except many of the discoveries were occurring in places where the Cold War fever wasn't too hot; America was a birthplace of discovery even though they had little interest in the squabbles between Germany and France.

In fact, many of the discoveries from that era came from countries that were only tied to the tensions through alliance, such as Britain.

>Hitler did great things for Germany

Like what? Tell me about some of the legacies Hitler left to Germany that they're still enjoying today.

None because they gambled and lost. History is written by the victors.

Good gas infrastructure :^)

rockets

Got Germany out of one of the worst recessions ever

Synthetic rubber and oil

>Is throwing someone into a gas chamber really more gruesome than pillaging a person village, raping his wife and daughter in front of his eyes just to slit their throats in the process?

I agree with most of your post, but there is a difference. Ones not really worse than the other, but the former is more horrifying because of how detached the process is.

When you rape the wife and daughter it's because you want to get your dick wet, and there's nothing they can do to stop you. As savage and brutal as it is, there's still a human element present.

We all understand and empathize with feelings like hatred and rage. But the kind of mindset it takes to herd a bunch of people into a room and then kill them by pulling a lever is near alien in its inhumanity.

>that they're still enjoying today
Want me to literally say 'the Autobahn' now or what? Also a heavy focus on trade unions to assure worker rights, heavily limited animal experiments etc. There are a bunch of other things, they are just not that noticeable anymore because they are part of the cultural development.

Not even gonna start on all the technological advancements. The space race between the USSR and the USA was basically a race between the German scientists who worked for the USSR and the ones who worked for the US

Volkswagen is a really big one retard.