When will the "Nier has bad gameplay" meme end? I'm about 4 hours in and it does a ton with such a small moveset...

When will the "Nier has bad gameplay" meme end? I'm about 4 hours in and it does a ton with such a small moveset, with all the side-scrolling sections, quasi-bullet hell moments, etc.

In Sup Forums land if a 3D action game doesn't play like DMC3 or a Souls game that means it has shit gameplay. Doesn't matter if the game is set to achieve something different than those games.

It's not really bad gameplay but it's still really rough. Like what's the point in ever using the other dark spear spell if all it does is make enemies invincible for 5 seconds. You can't combo off of it or anything, the only real use is running past monsters you could've just run past in the first place.

But "Souls games" have shit gameplay

I can ruin the game for you You can block everything. Everything
Aside from that the combat is at least mediocre when you get all three weapons, but I found the two-handed weapons very, very satisfying to use and the spears were also great. How many games have good spears?
Magic is another thing, satisfying to use, some variety of spells. But at the end you don't need much of them, the game is pretty easy and doesn't demand it to mix your spells up much.
Still, the gameplay is not bad, and the rest is great, which makes this one of my favorite games of all time.

The level design is pretty amateur, especially when boxes need to be moved.

The combat would be really good if Nier didn't put his sword away every time you move the stick. It makes it impossible keep fluid attacks going when you have change direction from one enemy to another. The combo counter is overly lenient to compensate, though come to think of it there's no use for that in the first place.

The meme will never end, people who haven't played the game will just keep parroting it.

it does have bad gameplay.
its not to the point where its completely unplayable or shit like that but its not really that good.

im guessing you just never played that many similar action games before.

I'm guess you just never played that many similar action games before and think DMC represents the average action game.

I got all the endings so for me the game play is:
>get strongest spear
>jump slash
>jump slash
>jump slash
And then sometime I'll do a giant fist.

I wouldn't say it has "bad" gameplay, it's just mediocre and not super interesting

I'm just starting my third run, does this add a bunch of dialogue and stuff like ending B did or no? I'd like to just quickly blow through all the bosses this time, but I'll fiddledick around for a minute while they talk again if there's more new stuff

>durr he said something bad about the game!
>i guess hes a DMC fanboy!

projecting much there faggot? i really hope you find Nier's story to be so depressing that you end up killing yourself.

Well I'd say the problem with the gameplay is that it's very unbalanced. A spear and Dark Hand, Dark Blast (not holding, just tapping repeatedly) and Dark Lance (just for hitting the weak spot on bosses) are just about all that you need to beat the game easily. There's really no reason to use the other powers. Blocking is very overpowered too.

That doesn't make it bad at all though. Nier is actually more similar to a JRPG in pace and structure, not a standard Platinum-like action game. Cuhrayze gameplay simply wouldn't fit.

DoD3's gameplay was much better, although it's a lot more action oriented than Nier.

I hope you learn how to capitalize your sentences.

Anyone?

hello

I don't completely remember because I've got amnesia. But, I think it adds a little bit of text and the final decision.

Third run adds nothing unless you collect all weapons.
Then it gives you a choice at the end and you'll get one of two extra endings.
I'd recommend you just watch them on Youtube, honestly.

Howdy

Completionist's nightmare.

I already got all the weapons first run, and I maxed out the Phoenix spear so bosses take a couple hits before going down. I might as well blow through it again for those extra endings and the speed boss achievements

Be careful dude, you might be a JRPG protagonist.

Yep, was never bothered by it. I actually don't like DMC type games though.

he is still right. nier has bad gameplay

the gameplay bored me. its not fun