How in the fuck are there seriously people who think a shitty little mini game like Super Meat Boy is better than a fully featured AAA game like Call of Duty?
I don't fucking get how there are so many people online who constantly make the argument of preferring the former and its ilk over the latter.
Super meat boy is 100% about gameplay, if you like plat formers it's very good. There are a lot of reasons someone might not be in to Call of Duty.
One of these games takes skill, both feature trial and error and endless respawning.
Guess which one has the higher skill threshold?
because it is
>Super meat boy is 100% about gameplay
Is that supposed to be a positive?
>if you like plat formers it's very good
No it isn't, it's worse than all of the popular platformers from the 80s and 90s.
>Guess which one has the higher skill threshold?
Call of Duty online, easily?
Yes absolutely. Games should be gameplay first. I don't know if that's a fair take, once I got the hang of the jumping physics I had a lot of fun. I get that you're upset because other people like something you don't, but that's honestly logic for kids in grade 2.
hah... thinking Cod has a higher skill cap then super meat boy. rofl you have to be 12
In what way is any recent call of duty superior to SMB?
inb4 graphix
>Games should be gameplay first.
Technically saying that Super Meat Boy is 100% gameplay and Call of Duty isn't is complete bullshit, since graphics are as much a part of the game as the mechanics and rules. What you mean, I assume, is that Super Meat Boy is 100% about the mechanics and rules. But Call of Duty is about its mechanics and rules, AND graphics, so I don't see at what point Super Meat Boy pulls one over Call of Duty.
>I get that you're upset because other people like something you don't
Nice try, but my argument began with chewing out retards like Meat Team who say outright that a game like Super Meat Boy is better than Call of Duty. This isn't me upset that someone likes something I don't. This shit starts with those nerdy flakes, who I see all over the internet now.
>No it isn't, it's worse than all of the popular platformers from the 80s and 90s.
this is not only factually incorrect, but a petty argument to boot
>one game has a bigger budget, therefor its a better game
>game is made by 2 people with a tiny budget means its not a real game
the size of the budget or team who made dont matter.
Rather the quality of game defines how good a game
I know you're baiting but why is cod better than super meat boy?
Cause I'm sure anything you mention being in favour of cod is actually boring to someone who would rather SMB
What if I don't like shooters
Posting in epic thread to be honest.
I'm not a fan of military shooters, super Meat Boy is a better game than Call of Duty. You're going to have to grow up and get used to the fact that every opinion is a subjective opinion, and sperging out over that is a supreme waste of time.
This post must be reposted from reddit or tumblr. Even Sup Forums isnt this casual
As someone who has always been a black ops 1 and 2 fanboy and who has never liked super meat boy, SMB requires a lot more skill and reflex than any call of duty game.
That's fine, as long as you don't make any stupid ass claims. Then you deserve to get railed on. Like this faggot still trying to turn the argument around >why is cod better than super meat boy?
A ton of reasons, which boil down to it being a fuller, more fleshed out, and therefore satisfying and enjoyable experience. The amount of detail in the graphics (obvious one, but it is worth mentioning, since good graphics not just engage us better but give us the sensation of it requiring great effort to have created it), the amount of subsystems at play throughout the various game modes, the fact Super Meat Boy just has the most primitive set of controls ever (move, jump...) while more recent Call of Duty games are vastly more complex control-wise, the fact it's a first person shooter and not of a genre that more or less died out years before the game came out due to technological advancements over time, etc. As a game, Call of Duty is way better than Super Meat Boy.
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>the more money put into a game the better
Why would you ever like any movie when Avatar costed way more?
Strawmanning is the best you can manage here?
you started it
>ITT: OP is actually 12 years old
Call of Duty isn't fun.Super Meat Boy is.
>opinions: the post
Come on, underage b&. Most people here agree that CoD blows. You are one of the few who are young enough not to have experienced 100+ tacticool shooters already. That's fine, but neither game is objectively better than the other.
Tommy Refenes started it actually.
>a serious argument over the subjectivity of the Call of Duty series
Sup Forums should have been deleted eons ago.
Battleborn had biggest budget out of any Gearbox game? Look how that turned
weak ass bait nigger, im not sure you even ironically believe what you write
>content diversity makes a game objectively better
quantity < quality
>graphical fidelity is the only method of engagement
Willful suspension of disbelief does not rely only on realistic environments. You can be immersed in another ways. CoD fails this far more often with poorly made NPC idle animations and heavily scripted events.
>greater effort/modernist view on quality
I can show you games that have had just as many hours devoted to its production as CoD yet feature none of the graphical achievements. Not to mention that effort doesn't always equate to quality. More often than not, efficiently developed work is regarded much higher than not.
>Simplicity = lower quality
Enjoyment doesn't not only exist in the complex, user. Your working off a fallacy.
>graphical fidelity is the only method of engagement
I didn't say this.
>I can show you games that have had just as many hours devoted to its production as CoD yet feature none of the graphical achievements
You don't have to, I wasn't born yesterday. I'm well aware. But we're not talking about other games right now, we're talking about Call of Duty purely in relation to Super Meat Boy. One thing Call of Duty does have over Super Meat Boy is sheer complexity of and surplus quantity of its game rules and subsystems, which for GAMES are... a pretty positive thing. Greater effort also makes it more impressive, so I do count that as a positive.
you must love bloom and cinematics
Nah, I'm just not a fan of flash mini games with nothing going for them. I've played actual Newgrounds games with more going for them than Super Meat Boy, in fact.
Two different types of games.
What makes Super Meat Boy a little mini game instead of a game?
>UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HOW COME PEOPLE NO LIKE GAME I LIKE?
People like you are the kind of people who make the world a worst place.
>especially opening up photoshop to shiptost
for shame user
>i didnt say this
>(obvious one, but it is worth mentioning, since good graphics not just engage us better but give us the sensation of it requiring great effort to have created it)
You certainly treat it that way.
>Call of Duty v Super Meat Boy: Rule Complexity is clearly a plus
The subsystems provided feel like a hodge-podge of ideas and conditions. The complexity loses its value when it only offers it as a means to differentiate itself from previous titles.
>Remember how many guns/weaponry last game? Well we doubled it! Check out this dog! Does it add that much more to the overall experience?
>Why should that matter? There's more of it so it must be better?
Once again, you're operating under the fallacy that simplicity means inadequacy. Greater effort, rules, and subsystems do NOT make a game better than another. This isn't a vacuum cleaner. It's a mode of entertainment. X more things to do doesn't make a game X times better.
It's the mastery or the emphasis on cohesion of these different parts that makes these subsystems have more impact than just putting in these details for bragging rights. Do something well or don't do it at all. CoD, in my opinion, doesn't do that well at all.
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>graphicsfags actually believe it's even CLOSE to as important as gameplay
>gameplayfags so dumb they fail to see how graphics aren't a part of the term they use
SMB is a perfectly polished platformer with tons of content and tight controls.
Call of Duty is like every other shooter and call of duty before it. The game has barely changed in years.
The reward system is very different, one rewards playing the game well with a satisfactory completion of ever increasing challenge. The other throws numbers in your face every time you get a kill which is every few seconds, or you're killed and respawn almost instantly so you can run around looking for more instant gratification.
WEEEEEEE LOOK MOM BANG BANG HAHA OHHH BABY A TRIPLE!!!! OOOH YEEAH!!!
THAT WASNT LUCK DAT WUZ SKILL XDD
>Shoving a "controllers are better" bullshit message in your face upon starting the game
>Game doesn't let you customize your keyboard hotkeys ingame, only by editing a config file
>Dramatic chipmunk meme
>Forever alone meme
It's fun, but jesus christ is it obnoxious.
You literally would not have VIDEO games without graphics. It's even more important than the "gameplay" if it weren't the same fucking thing as points out.
bait
Except you equate good graphics to the mimicry of nature. I think of good graphics like I would a good art piece.
Graphics are a part of the game, not the game play.
OP passed away while trying to post this 5 years ago.
His relatives decided to honor the 5th anniversary of his death by solving the captcha and finally posting this thread.
Let's have a moment of silence.
Yeah but they don't matter as much, you can have great games without having great graphics. You can't have great graphics and shit gameplay.
well said user
>SMB is a perfectly polished platformer with tons of content and tight controls.
By perfectly polished do you mean reduced to the genre's simplest aspects? It literally just has you moving and jumping, there is nothing else to it. It barely has any AI to speak of and only a handful of different obstacles you encounter. Also, just a handful of different environments. I don't really see the "tons of content" either.
>Call of Duty is like every other shooter and call of duty before it. The game has barely changed in years.
I'm not a big fan of Call of Duty, but saying it has barely changed is serious bullshit. Clearly you haven't played practically any of them. And if you think it's like "every other shooter" then clearly you just don't care about the genre enough to notice how wrong you are.
Yeah why don't you frigg off until you get your grade 10
How are graphics not a part of how a game is played, retard?
People like that crappy platformer because its simple, it's literally so simple that it CANT be as bad as a complex game like call of duty game can be. Think about it, if a cat makes a mistake he might knock someones plant over, or piss on his owners weed. If a human makes a mistake he could poison a water supply, cause a massive explosion, or release nerve gas all throughout the building he's in.
I don't even like that game, but it's better than the mess that is the cod series. If you want to play a game thats even better, try megaman zero.
How are they, retard?
Sure graphics have to do with how you perceive the game and are a good thing to have for a good gaming experience, but it has nothing to do with how you PLAY the game.
Stuff like mechanics, responsiveness and what you DO in the game falls under gameplay.
You don't play graphics nor is it a thing you do in the game.
Call of Duty is a shit game that should've ended after Modern Warfare 3. Any Call of Duty player posting Call of Duty content should not be taken seriously.
>it's a simplicity means it's bad episode
PS the controls are flawless, it isn't something to be taken lightly when talking about a platformer
CoD has been THE same since MW user, they tweak shit here and there but it's still the same instant gratification fest and instadeath it was before. It's a game only true pieces of shit with no sense of what they're doing with their brains could enjoy. You might as well be pushing a little button that pumps you full of serotonin every 3 seconds.
because they don't change mechanics retard
please stop idiot.
Doing the same thing 100000000000033808329057u23905u2390658293057902348u2930762930ju90u3259078u23907u2539082930u25390784293079340678u9085293074219084u times expecting a new result is not gameplay.
>Think about it, if a cat makes a mistake he might knock someones-
Stopped reading, strawman.
A game being simple does not mean it can't be bad. It could have shit music, level design, controls, art, length etc. WAY before its bad graphics mean jack shit
>reduce them to the most simple aspects
The simplicity of controls does not limit its depth. There is a difference. Super Meat Boy has more depth than Call of Duty.
This is to say that the simplicity of the game allows for a progression and dissection of these core elements. Whether you enjoy that or not is subjective.
>SMB requires more skill
>you can literally record a macro to beat the game
lmao
It's different genre you fucko
not him but it gets progressively more challenging which draws me to play the game further.
It gives me Hotline Miami vibes in the sense that it's very fast paced, you die a lot but you'll eventually beat the level. This feeling mixed with the great music gets you hooked in both of the games.
>mastering controls and adjusting to the challenge before you isn't gameplay
>shooting people and dying 14174809170874091759072104971209 times in a row isn't repetitive
Pro-tip: any game with no random element can be beaten with a macro.
COD lacks the game play elements that make it stand as a firm distinction of superior skill, being better than the scrubs your playing against doesn't make it a good game.
Only at the top in a server where you play with similar people who smash a casual server 19/20 times does FPS get remotely fun.
Meanwhile Super Meat Boy actually has a high as fuck hurdle to reach just based on the principles of not dying = good, and speed + finesse that are elements shared in the FPS genre.
COD also reinforces ez click weapons that reinforce the trading mechanics of kills + deaths like in a basketball game.
This takes away the effort put into mastery of higher level FPS maneuvers since one button does it all, the casualization that people love since they got tired of being wrecked by others that took the time to understand how to play a game.
COD isn't skillful, it's just fun.
That's not beating the game, nor does cheating detract from the original difficulty you fucking retard
Super Meat Boy actually had some challenging sections.
I have never played a Call of Duty that wasn't mind numbingly easy.
>not him
So fuck off this isn't any of your business.
You're not funny, you're nor original, you're not clever, you're incredibly cute, you're not witty and you're certainly not bringing up any valid arguments.
>I like both.
>Is that supposed to be a positive?
This is like saying the quality of the writing in a novel is unimportant.
>who think a shitty little mini game like Super Meat Boy is better than a fully featured AAA game like Call of Duty?
This is the baitest of threads.
>Trial by fire isn't gameplay
Actually, it is. It's a massive part of ALL human interaction. We interact and we expect a reaction. The choices we make based on that reaction IS the human experience. In this case, it's gameplay.
This doesn't prove anything. If this were the case, given that a macro is any defined inputs over an indefinite period of time, regardless of game state, every game is awful. The RNG can be manipulated in CoD and thus, a macro could be written to beat it.
Yeah I know, I just copied the retarded argument you posted seconds ago. As if to say YOU have no argument, do you understand? Champ?
If you keep on dying all the time without completing a level.
>Get good
>you're incredibly cute
>So fuck off this isn't any of your business.
Kill yourself this is an open place for discussion.
Ask for his gmail if you think you can't handle arguing with several people.
My argument is valid because it's real, you can't just slap that onto something else and expect it to work. Also don't call me champ that's what your dad calls me after he sucks my dick every night.
I don't understand.
OP is so blatantly, obviously baiting. It's fucking ostentatiously crafted bait. Take two completely, utterly different games, a well-regarded indie platformer and an AAA FPS (doesn't even need to be specific, just saying "Call of Duty" will suffice).
Then spend an entire thread arguing that the FPS is inherently better, because graphics. At no point use actual logic. (Do not offer any suggestion that you have actually played the platformer, a few generic statements such as "all you do is move and jump!" will be enough). And watch the replies roll in, apparently.
How does this thread have 81 posts? How did it not just sink to the bottom of page 10 like the absolutely entry-level effort that it is?
>Use same argument against him to show how stupid it is
>you're certainly not bringing up any valid arguments.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Kill yourself this is an open place for discussion.
No it isn't. You wouldn't bud into some conversation in the middle of the street and you shouldn't do the same here. Mind your own god damn business before you fuck with the wrong guy and get your shit kicked in.
Stop samefagging with your smartphone you pathetic loser.
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Im sorry youre so mad son, I know it can be hard to not understand why anything is good. Having shit opinions can be a lifelong curse, I hope you kill yourself so I never have to see another post by you incidentally for as long as I live. Amen.
How does the detail of the rock on my screen affect the direction that I'm moving?
well there are a lot of stupid people out there, it isn't too far fetched to suggest someone on Sup Forums is retarded
>, I hope you kill yourself
Oh so you're just an edgy 14 year old twat all along. Sigh should've known all along it was so obvious....
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Stay there until your balls drop kiddo trust me you don't wanna piss me off today I'm not in the freaking mood right now.
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user, you still don't get it. Better graphics is what enables better "gameplay". Or rather, more processing power and better asset pipeline tools & etc allow developers more freedom in defining good game mechanics.
Lets take SMB then. The sawblades which kill you repeatedly. Those are graphics directly contributing to game mechanics. The dev did not begin by deciding to kill players that happened to jump into a set area of empty pixels, he imagined the scenario of a sawblade and drew up several drafts of sprites mapped to hitboxes that would interact with the player character. The graphics and game mechanics are paired to each other in a logical indivisible manner. It obviously doesn't make sense for the sawblade to be larger than the kill hitbox and nor does it make any sense for the kill hitbox to be smaller than the sawblade.
Nobody except autists would begin with the hitboxes and then create sprites to match them. Hell, the autists wouldn't even bother creating sprites, they'd stick a few shitty vectors into the area and then praise the "gameplay" as some sterling indie masterpiece. Which is pretty much what Thomas was Alone is.
In what sense are graphics gameplay?
But it's not just retardedness, it's perfectly structured retardedness. Too perfect. Designed to hit obvious buttons like gameplay vs graphics, indie vs AAA. OP must be laughing all the way to fucking climax having strung people along like this.
Hoping someone kills themselves makes me a 14 year old, but
"YOUR DAD" jokes are the epitome of mature, also my potential age has no bearing on how fucking infinitely wrong you are.
>it's literally so simple that it CANT be as bad as a complex game like call of duty game can be
Then explain Fez
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i love it
You are one of the problems of this board, OP is not baiting, he is starting an argument and it's an interesting one you fucker.
>Release CoD
>its good
>proceed to release the exact same game for 13 years straight
>someone makes something that isn't quite as worn out
>people like it more than the same game they see every year
those sawblade could look like anything, the graphics could be spinning circles of white nothingness on black background and youd still be able to have the same gameplay
In that case I guess Super Meat Boy has excellent graphics. The visuals on screen function exactly as the developer intended for the gameplay. The sawblade is clearly defined, and a visual cue to the player that they need to avoid it.