Just started persons 4 (i already know the twists and shit) but is yosuke worth using...

just started persons 4 (i already know the twists and shit) but is yosuke worth using? (is kanji and teddy also worth it too)

P4
Yosuke
Chie
Yukiko

P4G
Yukiko
Kanji
Naoto

If you're playing the original Persona 4, there's no reason to switch out Yosuke, Chie, and Yukiko.
Golden made everyone useful, so use whoever you want.

what makes the others shit in normal p4?

Yosuke, Yukiko, and Kanji is pretty much the best party.

Yosuke can buff and debuff, dude's an amazing utility member. Yukiko heals and deals decent damage during turns where she doesn't need to heal. Kanji just straight up outshines Chie.

what about teddy?

Adachi is the killer. Gas station attendant is a villain too.

Persona 4 fans doing their best to announce they are literally to retarded to read

Teddy is good but yukiko fills his role better. She gets better healing spells later in the game. Yauske and Kanji get party buff moves so you don't need Teddy's party buff moves.

nigga i said i know what happens.

Not him, but
>Teddie
Multi-healing, multi-ice, multi-buff
Yukiko's single target healing and reviving is better, Chie's mediocre single target ice is better for weaknesses, Yosuke can do both buffing/debuffing+has higher chance to crit, most Personas you fuse will come with skills that outclass Teddie in terms of healing and buffing
>Kanji
Stronger than Chie, but less accurate, forget he even has Zio
>Naoto
Useless outside of random encounters in vanilla since bosses are immune to Hama/Mudo, Megi eats up her TP and barely does more damage than a physical attack from Chie/Kanji or magic from Yukiko

thank you, my team will be

youske
kanji
yukiko

oh and thank you too

Yosuke is pretty good. Sort of a jack of all trades/master of none, but he's nice and fast, has some useful skills, and can heal in a pinch.

I'd say Kanji is one of the better characters, but it can be a tough choice between him and Chie since you probably shouldn't have both.

Teddie's only real advantages are being the other ice character and off-healer. Yukiko is better than him 100% of the time.

Too

thanks senpai-kun

Well, Teddie also has 2/3 Ma -kaja spells, and also learns a couple (not fantastic) Physical spells down the line as well, so it's not as though he's just a gimped version of Yukiko. Regardless, though, Yukiko ends up outpreforming Teddie on all the aspects that matter.

my physicial skill attacks don't seem to do more than the tiniest amount more damage than my regular attacks. are they actually this useless or have I gone wrong somewhere?

this is on all characters, so it's not just my MC having the wrong one equiped

This was pretty much my party.

Yosukes ability that heals and buffs hit/evasion + Debilitate make any fight retardedly easy.

is this in vanilla p4?

What skills are you using? If it's stuff like bash and sonic punch then yeah there's not much of a damage multiplier but skills such as Brave Blade or Primal Force wreck face with high Str characters like Kanji

Really, you could probably use any combination and have it be viable, except maybe Vanilla Naoto.
I used Yosuke/Kanji/Teddie and I was fine.
The game's pretty easy.

I did vanilla Naoto my first time through. Had to give her the item that halves sp use but I did it.

Just fuse some busted ass OP personas and use whoever you want worry free. Even playing normally you'll hit a point where your party members contribute significantly less than you do.

>i already know the twists and shit

>being a spoilerfag
>not just discovering the game by yourself and enjoying the twists while it's happening before your eyes
Now this is just full pleb mode.

caring this much about some randy on Sup Forums.

You do realize that most people are unintentionally spoiled by random users right?

>avoiding spoilers for a popular game for 8 years
>on Sup Forums

I've been using Sarasvati for most of the game, what should I be using for The Void?

Fuse one persona with good resistance and all auto buffs, one with all four elemental spells, and one with the multi target versions of those spells . This can be done very early and you can just grind up your old ones to make stronger ones when they begin to lag behind.

He's the good kind of well rounded where he does a lot of things well, and he has sanic speed so he always goes first.
Kanji's pretty similar to Chie but with more power all around since he has access to ziodyne and elec amp, but no aoe.
Teddie's also well rounded, but unlike Yosuke, he's the kind of well-rounded where any other team comp will pretty much do his job together, so he's redundant.

I am one of those faggots that trains up all characters. Even on hard mode everyone is viable. Generally any weakness in the party is made up with the protags persona anyway.

Teddie would be great except he doesn't learn all his Slink levels as fast as anyone else in the party. he is fucking worthless till then.

>hey teddie can you spot me this one hit ko so we don't get a game over?
>lol, sorry bro, not until 12/31 :^)
>fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuu

Yosuke devolves into emergency Diorama heals, Masukukaja every 4 turns (3 to last, one to let it wear off everyone), and using items late game during bosses.

During grinding/crawling, he's actually pretty good since he has decent SP and magic for Magaru etc.

If you aren't using Yosuke and Yukiko you're doing something wrong. Yukiko is just better than Teddie, and Chie is good but can be swapped for Kanji if you really want to. HE gets 999 HP late game but does less damage than Chie since he doesn't get power charge in the original version.

Naoto is okay for clearing normal mobs with Mahama/Mamudo, but on bosses she is pretty much worthless aside from throwing items at people.

>Naoto is okay for clearing normal mobs with Mahama/Mamudo, but on bosses she is pretty much worthless aside from throwing items at people.

of course she is useless if you gave you two fucking worthless skills that does jack shit to bosses. lol, you ether make her a janitor or a dedicated boss support, not both.

is there a guide to building social links?

She has low STR and Megidolaon does jack dick on bosses and costs a billion MP. She can't do anything to bosses in the original version.

google it. its like the first hit

Op This guy is wrong do not listen to him.

Its actually:

P4:
Yosuke
Kanji
Teddie

Golden:
Kanji
Yukiko
Naoto

>vanilla P4
Yosuke is an all arounder and is the only one who can Masukukaja

Yukiko is just pure heals and your highest magic damage.

Chie is like actually complete shit. Even with her Power Charge combo she gets outdone by Kanji and she has no utility, stop using her as soon as you get Kanji.

Kanji is pure physical damage and your highest overal damage out of all the party members, he also carries the Matarukaja buff making him the second best buffer out of your party members.

Teddie can replace Yukiko at healing but he won't outdo her. He will get amrita (heals all status effects from everyone) and Mediarahan (heals everyong back to full), but Yukiko will get salvation which is those two combined. He is the second best magic damage and the best buffer with both Matarukaja and Marukukaja.

Naoto is complete garbage in this game outside of killing random encounters with mahamaon and mamudoon

>Persona 4 Golden
Yosuke is more of the same except now he gets a Masukukaja attached with a mediarama.

Yukiko continues being more of the same except this time she gets the strongest magical attack in the game plus Mind Charge so she matches Kanji in pure damage.

Chie now gets a party-wide heat riser but it eats her SP so hard she can't use it more than twice. Now more garbage than ever because Kanji gets Power Charge.

Kanji now gets Power Charge in order to put salt on Chie's wound and not only completely outshine her like he did before but now do so even harder. Still the only party member other than Teddie to get matarukaja. His AOE is a bit better now if you bother to do his bike rides, but his Ultimate skill is pretty shit outside of random encounters.

Teddie stayed the same except he got an ultimate skill that is complete rng and not really the good kind.

Naoto got way better as she can now actually do some decent damage and has great utility with her shield of justice that can save your party from a dangerous attack.

I was expecting the story about murdering the female cast in that wall of text

Vanilla P4

GOD TIER
Yu

Top tier
Kanji, Yosuke, Yukiko

Mid tier
Teddie, Chie

shit tier
Naoto

Golden

GOD TIER
Yu

Top tier
Kanji, Naoto, Yukiko

Mid tier
Yosuke, Teddie

Gimmicky but bad otherwise
Chie

Why even include MC..

It was mostly a joke, but he is god tier.

>God Tier Yu

??

>Golden Naoto is good
No she's not, when will this meme fucking end? She still has the same fundamental problem she had in vanilla of being an inefficient sp hog. The only difference now is she's not COMPLETELY useless in boss fights. Still worse and less efficient than any other magic-based character for nuking.

...

Are you kidding me? She may lack boost and amp for specialized damage, but she more than makes up for it by being completely usable during any boss fight in the game. Mind Charge plus whatever the boss' weakness(if they have one) will always do above average damage. Her versatility is why she is so solid now.

You even have the option of keeping mamoodoon and mahamaon for easier random battles.

If that wasn't enough, her new ultimate shield can pull you out of a pinch, though I never found myself using it much due to the high SP cost.

>bosses
>Having weaknesses by the time you get Naoto

I'm sure I remember some mid dungeon bosses. Besides, who are you going to use over Naoto? I would only accept Yosuke. Teddie is squishy as fuck, and you do not need to use him alongside Yukiko, and Chie is hot garbage.

>implying Yosuke doesn't stay god tier when he can learn megido for situations where wind is bad and handle a good chunk of late healing so Yukiko can tee off

she covers every element in the game. so she is great for trash mobs. her utility in boss fights are pretty damn good, OP even.

SoJ, Metrakarn, tetrakarn. all these prevent/reflect damage. if you're smart enough you could use them offensively instead of defensively. she also has heat riser and angelic grace for defense. her utility make very hard mode a fucking joke.

>using megido Yosuke
Oh okay, so you're an actual moron.

In the situation that wind is useless on a boss, you switch Yosuke out. Naoto is good in golden exactly because you can disregard this entirely.

Best team is Yosuke Kanji Yukiko in both games

light and dark magic is shit and too unreliable and sp hungry even with weaknesses/boosts

>what is secret dungeon bosses

i mean. if you only have several elemental removal items, it be nice if someone else besides MC can help with damage instead of sitting there like a moron

>switching Yosuke out ever
You don't have the right to call anybody else a moron. Almighty on more than one character at least helps ensure those hands don't escape.

you do realize its easy to crit golden hands right? hopefully you're not reliant on almighty spells. 3 turns is more than enough to kill an entire group of hands.

I'm not saying Yosuke isn't good, objectively the best team in golden is either Kanji/Yukiko/ and either Yosuke or Naoto. What says covers a lot of the reasons she is very good as of this game.

You bring it out if you need it. It's not like you can't afford to give him an extra attack somewhere, especially since his heal and buff merge.

I would much rather just use a physical skill for the crit chance.

Sounds like the skill he gets with a maxed out social link in P4G, so I'm assuming no. (only played P4G but you couldn't get that skill until the Golden-exclusive months)

>Chie is bad meme

She does fine for me with gods hand with all her buffs does like 900+ dmg

He can still have that too.

Kanji does more. Yukiko does more. Worst yet she gets matched by Yosuke in total damage per turn.

>god hand

yeah, and you have to level her to 70 which she is absolutely worthless up to that point. even then thats all she got.

3/10 worthless

I never bothered using that skill in golden, since I felt tacking on medirama wasn't worth wasting more SP every time I wanted to buff.

Now, if it was rahn, on the other hand...

P4 is piss easy, you can beat hard mode with anyone, but this is a thread specifically for tier lists. It's a lot like how people argue tiers in Chrono Trigger.

Personally, I love creating tier lists for games that don't really need them.

Yeah, then him having megido doesn't even matter, which is why I question you bringing it up in the first place.

The thing Chie waifufag cancer fails to realize about her is that she has lower str growths than Yosuke not even reaching the halfway point and Kanji surpasses Yosuke by a fuckton in this department almost maxing it out.

Since she relies almost entirely on agility, her forte is critting, which means god hand is actually her worst move. Her total damage output per turn is lower than Kanji's, when it comes to pure physical damage, even with Power Charge. Her damage output is more similar to Yosukes

Because physicals aren't a guaranteed crit? I don't know why your pretending it's something that just happens on command.

>P4 is piss easy, you can beat hard mode with anyone

sure its easy, every rpg is easy when everyone is level 99 with the best shit in the game. the game is practically impossible below lvl 60.

The crit chance of a high crit physical skill is always going to reliably kill more hands than whittling away with megido, come on dude.

Uh, what does that have to do with anything? Grinding is not even worth it in this game, since you're meant to progress at the pace presented to you.

There are no outright bad characters like there were in Persona 3, so you can use any squad and comfortably succeed. That said, in P4G Yosuke does everything above average. He's one of those jack of all trades that you don't feel gimped using. Hell he even makes use of Rise's double charge buff better than anyone in the cast.

Kanji is a late game single target physical monster, but slow as shit and his magic isn't worth using other than to tag a weakness. Chie lacks kanji's raw power and durability but ends up faster and can AoE. She's supposed to be able to keep up with Kanji through crits, but for some reason crits on bosses are ungodly hard to get. I was pretty sure later bosses were crit proof until my third or forth playthrough.

Yukiko has the best healing spell in the game, but she's better off as a nuker. In fact, she's the only party member who can outdo MC in terms of magic damage, though its by a pretty small margin and only available at the final dungeon.

Whereas Yukiko is damage first/healing second, Teddie is support first/damage second. Unfortunately it takes him 3-4 spell slots to cover what yukiko does with 2 slots, he does have access to more buffs and debuffs than any other character, and still does fair damage.

Naoto got a lot of love in Golden. She can go 1 of 2 paths now. The first is the same build she had in the original P4, but now megidolaon doesn't cost an arm and leg to cast, so she can sustain much easier in boss fights. The second build she has access to is having all 4 single target elemental spells so she can target weaknesses in random encounters and cast more easily in boss fights. In addition, one of her guns has ice amp built into it, so she ends up being better than chie or teddy at single target Ice damage.

Team bro without any of the womyn, especially for bosses.

>RNG is more reliable than a guaranteed result against multiple targets
Fascinating.

>like there were in Persona 3

Persona 3 had no bad characters other than Yukari. Everyone else was perfectly useable without having to grind the fuck out of something or doing something ridiculously specific...like for Yukari where you needed to get the wind boost bow.

And Naoto can have megidolaon, doing that job even better than Yosuke, what's your point?

That's strange, I always found myself being forced to use Yukari, since she was the only competent healer early and mid game.

It really sucks having double elec weakness if you wanted to use her with Aigis, though.

I think I remember beating the game with Aigis, Akihiko, and Mitsuru. Anyone care to share P3 tier opinions?

you do have to grind at this game. are you serious? every new player always bitch about shadow yukiko and kanji. you think they shouldn't grind?

>using naoto

>Not using Amagidyne

Opinion discarded.

Grinding in this game for anything other than maybe some demon skills is literally retarded. The diminishing exp gain for doing so makes it a fruitless endeavor.

>guaranteed result against multiple targets

you're fucking dumb. skills can miss too

Nice rebuttal.

I hate to side with the guy I'm arguing with, but almighty cannot miss.

it pretty much is a must when bosses 1 shot you. getting mats for equipment and searching golden chests for armor require farming which is basically the same thing as grinding.

I've beaten both P3 and P4 on the hardest difficulties, and have never had to grind aside from making the required thing to beat shadow Yukiko(which isn't even that much).

I don't normally say this very often, but git gud.

It was right there. I had to.
But no, it's obvious that Naoto is better at it if you're going to bring her along. If you're not, he can fill that role less efficiently if Yu doesn't have the firepower to do it all himself.

>almighty can't miss
>has an accuracy modifier

dumb as fuck

Well, maybe I'm mixing up my megaten games, but typically almighty cannot miss. I'm pretty sure I can't recall it ever missing in P3 and P4, either, especially against me.

Also >using a wiki as proof

try to disprove that. they literally copied and paste that info from the japanese guide

>japanese guide
I bet you believe prima guides here as well, don't you champ?

>moving goalpost

>Yukari is the only competent healer early mid game
I'll give you early game but mid-game?

By that time you have Ken, who does the same amount of healing as her and can do actual damage.

If it does miss, it's not very often, and hands also have a big damage modifier for almighty attacks.
Accuracy is an irrelevant comparison point anyway if your other options can also miss. The point of physical attacks is to crit, not just to connect.

Did you not see that I put Yukiko for golden?

She's not that great in vanilla since she lacks that move.

>using Ken
He could be the best party member in the game and I'd still refuse to use him out of general principle.

I can get into this argument with you if you want.

Shinjirofags are probably amongst the most moronic, utterly retarded people in this board.

You're so fucking deluded and enamored with your at bishounen axe-wielder that you fail to realize that everything was his fault and Mitsuru/Akihiko were complete utter morons who do fucking nothing to stop what is put into motion the moment Ken gets into the group.

Not to mention that Ken gives up any murderous/suicidal intent the moment he learns the whole truth. Everything was justified in his favor from the very beginning.

Not counting story though, Ken is the second-hardest physical hitter next to Akihiko, only outdone by Junpei. He also works as a crit-monster for Reaper, covers three different weaknesses, and deals easily with trash. On top of all that he gets all the necessary healing spells, including samarecarm and Mediarahan and his person a looks cool as fuck.

I'm glad shinjiro died. Even if I did find him cool enough to want to use him, you faggots are so crazy fanatical and annoying that it has ruined my entire image of the character.

Nah, I just hate Megumi Ogata's voice. But thanks for playing.

>Ken is the second-hardest physical hitter next to Akihiko

Bullshit, how?