SUPER SMASH BROS - CIVIL WAR

Are you #TeamZeRo or #TeamAlly?

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#TeamMelee

>TR4SH

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would anyone ever be team scarflard? seriously

the only person worse than him is dabuz

Top level Smash 4 is actually alot like this

1: Throw out safe aerials from a distance that can be auto cancelled so you can bait your opponent into doing something. Occasionally mix it up with an empty hop.

2: Approach only using aerial movement and try not to really approach to begin with just stick to spamming safe aerials to get your opponent to approach.

3:When attacking only use your safest aerial. Special retards like Mario are safe and still at a neutral advantage if someone power shields there aerials.

4: Whenever something hits your shield nash grab and the 10 frame input buffer will allow you to do a frame perfect shield grab with ease. From Grab do your guaranteed D-throw to X setup.

5: Mix it up a little and dont get predictable. Incorporate some roll behind grabs in your play or some empty hops into grabs.

#teamsmashisnotafightinggame

I would rather be #TeamDabuz than #TeamZero.

oshit

what is a nash grab? how can you mix up grabs into your play if all the aerials opponents use are safe? how do you punish the safe aerials?

why do streammonsters get so triggered by literally just posting a thread about smash 4? pretty much everyone who actually plays the game agrees that having two big scenes for two smash games is healthy for both

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>tripfags

#TeamZero hes like the Chilean Goku

Occasionally someone makes a mistake such as forgetting to pull back after a short hop f-air. After that the player who grabbed will start do d-throw into X if he attempts to follow up beyond that without baiting something the opponent being combod will press A automatically cancelling hitstun and the game will reset to neutral.

you want to see people getting triggered? go post a damn thread about Project M.

i know, that shit is retarded too

why is this community so garbage?

>Goku is a fat fuck who plays like a faggot and is only popular because he started winning
No

pure unadulterated autism

only place i've seen less cancerous was the 64 community.

just look at this shit:
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You are clearly misunderstanding the game, user.

You can implement both offensive and defensive types of play in smash4, with some characters having better offense than others.

The fact there are safe and unsafe moves is basically the principles of most fighting games including melee.

You again show your misunderstanding of the game.

People go for grabs as an offensive option to beat shields, yes. and not all characters even have good throw combos, look at Cloud and Ryu

Melee and Smash4 both revolve around spacing and neutral, fyi. and both of them have creative combos that you can pull of if you are skilled enough

#BuffPuff

Agreed.

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You're retarded if you think the metagame isn't anything besides people camping and playing passive-aggressive setplay. The approacher has the disadvantage in a huge way in this game because the game actively limits your options and your reward with dodges/rolls being entirely too strong (that they are fucking used offensively). There are two players with any sort of consistent aggressive play and they wash out against similar players who camp them: Void and Trela. Everyone else has their own style of "well, I'm going to just sit here like an asshole until they do something and then punish."

Which works okay with other games that have set boundaries + harder punishes, but this game is ridiculous and the dude you're quoting is pretty much 100% correct.

appropriating something as serious as civil war for something trivial like a video game tournament is pretty absurd

This

why is jon tron playing pro smash doesnt he already have enough money?

You don't actually play or even watch smash 4 do you?

You can overwhelm someone and get appropriate awards off of reads in Melee. The same is very, very rare in Smash 4. Sometimes you'll get punished for trying to do something as a read instead of just backing away.

For example: Someone going to roll behind you and grab. You know this. The frame window for them being unable to powershield and thus punish your attempt at getting their roll is so fucking small and the timeframe so small that you cannot do it on reaction. You literally have to guess and perfectly time your punish.

The best players will almost always just also roll away when they know this is happening because it's literally not worth the risk. The game does not reward knowing what the other player is going to do, it rewards playing extremely conservatively.

They're both autistic as hell.

>Are you #TeamWashedUp or #TeamBestIntheWorld(Currently)

this is what you sound like right now.

No, i just actually understand the game. thinking the approacher is essentially in disadvantage is wrong.

You even gave two examples of agressive players in your own post, though there are much more such as Nairo, Marss, Pink Fresh and Larry Lurr to name a few.


Smash4 can reward both defensive and offensive types of playstyle depending on character and how they are done.

Please watch this.
youtube.com/watch?v=90K36xjDuiw

Pressure and momentum are a very real thing in smash4 and you can corner someone and put him in a panic situation.

Also rolling is useful but its not a safe option and you can get punished very hard if the opponent gets to punish your roll

Nairo starts getting extremely reserved once he starts losing. Larry has to actively try to stop being so aggro because it makes him start losing vs a lot of players. You mistake "being close" with being aggressive.

Watch Nairo vs Ranai and see how aggressive he stays. He plays SUPER reserved in neutral until he gets a hitconfirm and then goes in hard in hopes of getting any sort of punish.

Also yes, the approacher is always in disadvantage assuming true neutral. They are having to guess and cover way more options than the defender who can often walk away punish/roll away free/whatever.

The approacher is not always in disadvantage, you literally completely misunderstand the game

Look up the frame data for rolls. They are a stupidly safe option which is why they are used so fucking much. If rolls were so punishable then players like Zero wouldn't spend so much time fucking doing it. Yes there are characters/players that do it less, and yes it IS possible to punish, but that doesn't magically make it unsafe or too fucking good.

And yes, pressure and momentum are things, but they are way harder to keep up in a game that lets people get away for basically free. You're sitting here saying
>Well this game has these things
And I'm agreeing, they do. But they are flimsy as fuck and do not give proper rewards. Your reward for chasing someone down and getting a hard read generally is not some super zero to death combo or even a hard punish. It's almost always a grab or a dash attack (or that character's similar move, maybe a fair from sheik or the like) because of how framedata works in the game. Yes, there are examples of hard punishes, but they are fucking raaaaaare when compared to the entire rest of the series. Even fucking Brawl had harder punishes at top level of play.

>Thinking rolls are a completely safe options
Maybe that's why you keep losing on for glory.


>The reward is not always a zero to death combo
It's just like that in melee too? do you really want the reward of every hit to be zero to death go and play smash64.

And btw, Smash4 does actually have death combos and 0 to 60 combos.


The truth is that you have to put pressure on your enemy to win in smash4. you are not going to win just by sitting in shield and doing nothing - thats just your own misinterpretation of the game

>For example: Someone going to roll behind you and grab. You know this. The frame window for them being unable to powershield and thus punish your attempt at getting their roll is so fucking small and the timeframe so small that you cannot do it on reaction.

what the fuck are you talking about, rolling is punishable as hell in smash 4

stop playing for glory

>Player one spaces against player two's shield
>player one then rolls behind player two
>Player two rolls away
This happens all set long. Also they are both just fishing for their autocombos/kills. Don't get me wrong, both players are relatively good at Smash 4, but it shows how fucking weak it is. Where's the extended pressure or reads you were talking about? It is Marrs spamming up B in hopes of killing Pink?

>Tr4sh
Literally who cares.
Not Melee?
Not watching.

1. Spacing in neutral is a component of every smash game including melee?

2. Rolls are not safe but they are not unusable either.

3. Those combos are not "auto combos", stop using irrelevant meme words.

4. Nothing in this set is just "spam in hopes of getting a kill"

Alot of people care.
In fact smash4 weeklies get much more views than melee, and it also got more views at CEO.


Melee had more views at EVO when it got a much superior streaming time right before street fighter, though.

Who said rolls are completely safe? I'm saying you *literally* cannot consistently punish them and players use it as a shitty crutch.

Almost all rolls are sub 30 frames or half a second for the entire roll. The entire thing. The average human reaction time is about a quarter of a second before you can even begin to react. That gives you on average 9 frames to get something out where they are rolling to assuming your character is standing completely still (and facing the right way to punish, else you lose at least one frame). A lot of characters have no good options to punish this reliably besides rolling away unless they were already spaced correctly for it or it was a hard read. This is all assuming you want to take the gamble of being fast enough because they can buffer a grab/shield and punish you for trying to punish the roll behind.

I don't get why you faggots want to close your ears and eyes and imagine this doesn't happen in top levels of play. People roll behind each other and don't get punished all day (usually it's a net gain for no one, to be fair). Please find me a set where nobody rolls behind anyone else and doesn't get punished for it. I'll wait.

>if Smash 4 gets more views at CEO when they get Sunday spot, it counts
>if Melee gets more views at EVO when they get the Sunday spot, it doesn't count

Melee > Smash 4. Pools/local views are literally irrelevant

Because at top level of play alot of rolls also get punished.

Not all of them, because if rolls were so easy to punish every roll would have been punished it would have been pointless to have the rolling mechanic in the first place.

You just misunderstand the game, user

Really? ZSS dthrow to uair isn't an autocombo? Are you retarded? Smash 4 has a bunch of true combos that you can't even SDI out of because SDI was nerfed so hard.

And yes, fishing for a kill is definitely a thing in smash 4 and it's seen in that set. The commentators even mention that Marrs starts throwing out the up B a ton in hopes of catching him and ending the stock.

I'm talking about significant regional weeklies where some top players attend. Smash4 gets more views at those than melee.

Also smash4 had more entrants than melee and both CEO and EVO and now it also has more entrants at Smashcon

1. And how many combos there were in this set that are not downthrow upair? did you even watch it properly?

I mean if you want to speak about it in this way, i could easily say melee has some easy "auto combos" too

2. Trying to get a kill is not the same as spamming an attack to get a kill

>Please find me a set where nobody rolls behind anyone else and doesn't get punished for it. I'll wait.

yes, let me find a thing so extreme it obviously doesn't exist

something doesn't need to be completely useless for it to be punishable

More often than not they don't. You're retarded. Rolls have a place in Smash 64/Melee without being a movement crutch. I understand the game fine, I don't like it. You're the one unable to take criticism about the game and deflecting.

You are the one who exaggerated things as if rolls are a safe option when they are not.

In fact good players will particularly look for your rolls to punish you.

You should not use roll as your main movement option in neutral

Please quote me where I said it should be the main movement option in neutral. You're unable to keep up with any sort of conversation without twisting what was said.

And yet I can effortlessly find this for half of the games in the series. Rolls were not useless in those games, either.

I maybe misinterpreted your use of the phrase "movement crutch".

And well, if you acknowledge rolls are a punishable and unsafe option in smash4, and your criticism is "rolls are not exactly like they are in melee therefore they are bad", that's a pretty bad criticism but i guess its all up to your opinion

>be meleefag
>don't even play the game
>just watch others play
>obsess about the people who play the game
>shitpost in sm4sh threads all day
>"The game I watch takes more skill than the game you play, you casual trash!"

More Hamtaro.

>No pic related
>No grand autist
This event isn't even worth it

Anti will probably be with #TeamAlly if he enters

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smash 4 is kinda decent now that Marth is finally good t b h.
shame most of the the top tiers are super lame

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and for autist
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this is the stupidest fucking thing

and it's not even made by a 14 year old. i'm sure it's made by a 20 year old man.

I like Ally a little more but for some reason I'm feeling Team Zero.

Probably now that Zero moved to NJ and I'll be playing him a little. I also have respect for how he tries to grow the scene in both casual and competitive aspects

>grow the scene in casual and competitive aspects
He just dropped sheik for cloud

grisaia no kajitsu and nicole is gay kys

>Rolls are not safe
Lol

I'm talking about his youtube content

They really aren't.

>at a shitty local melee tournament
>only 15ish people there, just college kids
>none of them played melee at all, 3-4 stock all of them, win a shitty gift card

>one of them challenges me to smash 4
>lol k. I'll go Ike he was my boy in PM
>he goes donkey kong (fuckin lol seriously dk?)

>game starts
>can't dash dance
>can't wave dash
>can't jump cancel side b
>short hop forward aerial towards dk
>suddenly i realize the game is moving in slow motion, is Ike stuck in time? Did Donkey Kong use chaos control?
>he grabs me and spams up airs until I die

shit game 0/10

>He hasn't mastered every single Smash game, including mods and fangames such as Brawl-, SSF2, etc.

scrub

it's pretty hard to define what mastering means in this context

>I dont understand the game so i lost the match... bad game!11!!!!

>he goes donkey kong (fuckin lol seriously dk?)
>>he grabs me and spams up airs until I die
You sure you weren't playing Melee?

>can't dash dance
>can't wave dash
>can't jump cancel side b

nice job ignoring like half of the points you retarded tripfag

>W-why doesn't Ike play exactly like in my fan made mode? BAD GAME!

No because if it were melee he wouldn't have taken a stock off of me. Donkey kong just had his way with me because apparently Ike gets stuck in lag every time he fucking moves in smash 4.

Sorry I expected to use toddler level fighting technique in a smash game. My bad.

>Dash dancing
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>Wave Dash
Not an essential component of movement. you can perfect pivot

>can't jump cancel side b
Well, In melee you don't have B-reversing or back aerial rush

>calling that a dash dance
>calling wave dash nonessential
>whatever the fuck that is

please stop

- It's smash4 form of dash dance.

- Wave Dash is not an essential movement mechanic of fighting game.

- You can google what those are in a few seconds if you really want to

#maylay

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I dare you to watch this and say smash 4 movement was an improvement.

Except melee does have b-reversing, you impotent kike. Also, perfect pivoting has nothing to do with wavedashing, and can also be performed in melee. Why are smash4tards so dumb?

>Trela wil be there
Sweet

But it will be fun to see Zeros Cloud getting bodied

Combo videos are not the best representation of an entire game, its cherrypicking the best moments, fyi.

Smash4 movement is based around mostly running and walk, like most fighting games. you can finely control your run speed and walk speed and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a gameplay like that.
And there are also pivots on top of that too

I was refering to B-reversing a neutral B move. that is a mechanic that melee does not have.

I know perfect pivoting is not wavedashing, but its a sliding movement that can be used in smash4. as i said earlier, wavedashing is not an essential movement component in a fighting game.

>And yet I can effortlessly find this for half of the games in the series

Go on then

you mean trela who placed 385th?

Dont listen to redditman, he doesn't even have a Wii U. Also he thinks he is better than you.

He got double eliminated by a Bowser Juinor player called Jade.

He was probably not too familiar with the matchup.

Trela managed to redeem himself by getting 9th at EVO

crazygaga has gone on record saying people criticizing smash 4 should get lifetime bans but a molester having a year ban is too much. Stop replying to him.

Yes, who also got 9th at EVO and won Pink fresh saga

he doesn't really have any particularly good results at all

Smash isn't like any other fighting game. Would you rather fox and falco be like street fighter?

I honestly don't know how you can defend smash 4 when it obviously caters to casuals and children

>9th out of 2600 isn't good

t. streamdiaper

1. I literally never said people who criticize smash4 should be banned.

2. Hyuga was completely drunk and blacked out when the said event happened and he deeply regrets it. the event should have been treated legally in the case the girl wanted to sue him, but the girl talked with him after the event and she too wants him to get another chance in the community FYI

Being easier to get into is a positive quality, not a bad quality.

Both smash4 and melee are very difficult to master at the highest level.

Regardless of whatever state he was in, he is responsible for his actions.

I personally think one year is just fine for him to get his shit back together and apologize and shit (which all he has said is "i didnt want to lol!
") and show he actually wants a 2nd chance

He posted a tweet showing his honest regrets and he said he is willing to receive the full consequences of his actions, FYI.

You share my pain and frustration and I thought the same thing you though. I main Little Mac and doing an F-tilt in reverse or a u-tilt are actual ways I can punish rolls on reaction. Also using tilt stick helps even more.

>Getting punished for the wrong read

No... shit...

Just because you're bad at punishing doesn't mean you should qualify the entire game that way.

How old are you? Do you attend tournaments?

Maybe he just feels like getting back into the ring again.

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