Explain one thing to me: if jap developers are atheists why most of their games feature Lucifer-related themes?

Explain one thing to me: if jap developers are atheists why most of their games feature Lucifer-related themes?
Satanic symbology is very, very common in jap games.

Bayonetta, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, SMT, Castlevania..

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Because it's cool?

You're thinking about it wrong. To them, it's white guy mythology shit and thus cool.

So you are telling me jap atheists spend their time studying western culture? specifically the Bible and demonic symbology through the middle ages?

I thought jap people didn't even had time to sleep and eat, how come they have so much free time to learn that stuff?

It's a part of their job if they're making a game which takes a lot from mythos and shit.

How is Bloodborne Lucifer-related?

but I thought they created the game with Luciferian setting in mind before studying it

In other words, they already know this stuff even before entering game companies. Right?

Not necessarily. People who create shit do research as part of their job.

Because they know how to have fun with it and make it cool. Plus, their country isn't infected with fundies and prudes.

the entire game is based on Catholic aesthetic and has evil related themes in a distorted way of course.

>This area harbors the Cleric Beast, an optional boss but is most likely the first a player will encounter in the game. The Cleric Beast is located on a large bridge towards the end of the area. Central Yarnham also harbors a network of sewers, leading to a mandatory boss that needs to be fought to progress, Father Gascoigne.

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It takes less time borrow themes and mythos than it does to create it.

You don't have to be religious to find the Bible fascinating.

it just doesn't seem obvious at first but Nippon loves occult themes

Because those things would actually be cool if they existed, but they don't.

>implying any atheist doesn't think gods would be cool if they existed

Wouldn't be easier to make about Buddhism and Shinto since its part of their culture?

I'M JUST LONE PRAYER

Why aren't they allowed to? I really like Christian art and culture and started reading the bible because I felt like it, it's not like they're doing anything wrong.

>occult themes

Which most sources are from medieval times and some works are not even translated to english or french most are in Latim. Those works is not that easy to obtain in japan as far as I know.

>Satanic symbology is very, very common in jap games.
Religious themes are rad

Like SMT or even more specifically SMT:DDS?
How can you cite a game that features literally all religions as christian.

>if jap developers are atheists why most of their games feature Lucifer-related themes?

Because Abrahamic mythos is extremely exotic to the nips the same way the west finds Buddhism exotic. What're you, stupid?

They do have Buddhist and Shinto elements. SMT III mixes in some Buddhist elements and DDS is big-time Hindu. They probably don't portray Shinto negatively in Jap games because.. it's their own ancestral religion.

Well maybe they didn't feel like making a game about buddhism or shinto for god's sake.

they do make stuff about that too

I mean the SMT series does feature myths and demons from many different cultures and religions

in certain games like Okami it is very obvious

but a lot of very japanese stuff either doesn't get localized or the references are subtle enough that they often go over the heads of all the other people who play them

Mythology is fucking rad

>literally all religions

What are you talking about? Digital Devil Saga is entirely using Bible references with a bit of Hinduism here and there

Could we imagine Bloodborne version where there is no Priest or Bishop but the equivalent of Buddhism or Shinto?

Like a Buddhist monk in Bloodborne..

Like a producer or someone who is responsible for the writing studied this but most japanese people have no idea about what's going on in the references to Christianity.

It sells more in the west but wouldn't sell more in their land if they used their own setting?

Easier for them? Yes. Easier for potential customers outside japan? No.

Besides the Japanese are already exposed to Buddhism and Shinto on a daily basis. I'm not sure how exciting it would be to the customers and developers anymore.

>being surprised by Satanic imagery in games about witches and vampires
Abrahamic religions aren't as common in Japan, so those faiths are handled like exotic mythology. This attitude is mirrored in the West's treatment of Eastern religion. Look at the way real-life Eastern tradition inspired the fictional Asiatic setting of Avatar: The Last Airbender, for instance.

If the west is so christian how come there are so many movies and shows with greek god-related themes? lolololo XDXD Check-mate atheists!

>Buddhism and Shinto on a daily basis

isn't modern japan very atheist?

>many movies and shows
>Hollywood
>Jew
>Protestant Occultist cucks

Well..

>Digital Devil Saga is entirely using Bible references with a bit of Hindiusim here and there
Did we play the same game?

Because they realize the other imaginary men in the sky are much superior to their own.

The bosses are Hindus with the difference in the other games they are Lucifer, YHWH, Uriel........

But they do

Pic related is Izanami

*Tips*

CHUTULLU ISN'T SATAN YOU FUCK

Better question: why isn't Hitler the main boss in more games?

Maybe the people but not the foundations of their social philosophies, architecture, agriculture, education system, mathematics etc.

It's all there, buried under the current modern structure influenced by western economics and academia. It may not seem like it but it's there.

too bad the game was shit

But that's not Hitler, that's Fuhrer

>Hey Dawkins cocksucker, why do you love games that shows hell if there is no hell?
>b-because.. b-because
>Because that makes you feel THE Antichristian superstar in your highschool during talks with your 13 year old classmates am I right?
>runs away and call his mom

Oh shit you're right, I thought it was Hitler with sunglasses at first. My mistake

>I thought they created the game with the setting in mind before studying it

Have you ever done a single creative endeavor beyond middle school? Holy shit

how fucking new can you be OP
jesus fuck

Because it's easier to work with an already established lore. Also where is this satanic symbology on DaS?

because it looks cool and is easily recognizable as evil/good depending on what aspects of a religion they emphasize, e.g. the angel version of Lucifer vs demonic lucifer

>Chaosfag form Lucy
>Evil

>if jap developers are atheists
They aren't atheists, it's just that they aren't christians.

well considering that 90%+ of Japanese people dont identify with any religion (beyond taking part in jap spiritual tradition), I'd say its not completely incorrect to say theyre athiests. Probably more likely agnostic though.

Playing Persona 1 does make one feel like there is no god

My bad, should've put "respectively" there.

Since when were Japs atheists? They're sentimental quasi polytheistic autists, they only criticised the idea of an authoritarian monotheistic deity

>I'd say its not completely incorrect to say theyre athiests
it would be incorrect because atheism specifically implies not believing in a deity or any transcendent consciousness, not whether you belong to a specific religious group.

i did end with "probably agnostic", but sure, if you want to be overly technical about it

If America is composed mostly of Christians and Atheists, then why is it run by Jews?

society is run by secular jews and anti-christians.
Few Christians in the west.

because the majority never run shit. the majority are just the people, the power always goes to the abnormal because they stand out.

A lot of Japanese people are into Shinto/Buddhism. Christianity is not the majority religion so they're less hesitant exploring Christian mythology (in somewhere like the US even putting those two words together would get you a shit ton of abuse). They just use the cool stories and characters without needing to worry about conforming to its rules.

Amida Buddhism, the popular sect in Japan, is basically Christianity with different dressings anyway.

Most Japanese are just agnostic. They participate in Buddhist and Shinto practices more out of tradition rather than an actual belief, like how many people in the west celebrate Easter and Christmas even though they aren't religious.

Should I play persona on PSX or PSP?

Modern Japan is best described at "spiritual, but not religious"

I think this is about right. They have this battle of all good vs all evil (it's really manichaeism) but to Japanese, this stuff is exotic and cool. And there is a lot of interesting and cool stuff in the Bible. SMT tends towards the "miltonian" view of the devil as the ultimate rebel, a kind of invitation to survival of the fittest world.

PSP

>Explain one thing to me: if jap developers are atheists why most of their games feature Lucifer-related themes?
They aren't Christians so they are perfectly fine with stealing any sort of Christian mythology and theological components and using them in any way fit.

Just look at what we do to Greek mythology. Nobody give a shit about accurate depictions of Zeus or the historical accuracy surrounding Heracles. We will just take a random thunder creature and slap Zeus's name onto it, or have some plot about an overbearing god father and toss Zeus into the role, or have Zeus star in a game where you throw lightning bolts at people. It allows for people to make whatever they want with the characters, rather than sticking to strict mythological lore.

Atheist isn't exactly the right word.

It's more that whether they're shinto or buddhist (and that's most of Japan, those 2), they just don't think about religion too much. It's a culture thing more than a religious one.

Shintoism never hid the fact that the gods are assholes and sometimes outright evil. It's not exactly something that you can twist to "oh my god, the diety that I thought in all scripture was good is in fact not!"

PSP. There's even a patch to play with the original music if you don't want the J-Pop.

Don't play the PSX version, it's shit.