Now that World of Warcraft is dead, can we agree that this is the best mmo ever created?

Now that World of Warcraft is dead, can we agree that this is the best mmo ever created?

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Its boring

It's also dead.

it's a non-subscription MMO which puts it miles above WoW but i dont feel like paying for heart of thorns

>2
>not 1
kill yourself.

Didn't the team behind GW2 have nothing to do with GW1, as in some of them never even played it?

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>No endgame
>Gear Treadmill
>Worse story than TORtanic
>Story rips off Skyrim with its "KILL TEH EVUL DRAGUNZ!" shit
>The entire game has you killing the bad guys as a moralfaggot, without an option to join them
>No likeable NPCs anywhere
>Choices in personal story doesn't matter
>Technology level is retarded across the entire board, one race has borderline sci-fi technology vs generic medieval humans and steampunk cats
>Zero roleplaying elements, your character does all the talking for you automatically
>Shit writing
>destroyed servers based on clients' language in favor of a messy, incoherent piece of shit megaserver system that doesn't work
>Sylvari is a cookie cutter mary sue race
>No dedicated tank or healer
>Killed CoH
>Arenanet bans whoever they please
>Arenanet consists of dA tumblr SJW writers, jews, communists AND nazis somehow
>Published by NCSoft
>Is designed for and by weeaboos and children
>No mounts
>No GvG, NO FUCKING GvG. IN A GUILD WARS GAME

Easily the worst MMO ever

Who said you need to pay the Shills? Just play the free core a little and then sell/trade the account

GW2 combat is legitimately awful. Worse than WoW, TERA, Blade and Soul, FFXIV, all of them. There is no structure, combo fields are fucking stupid, and dodge invulnerability relegates the

game to twitch based dogshit. The dungeons are just pure shitfests.

GW2 is pure trash with ZERO, and I mean ZERO redeeming factors.

>Arenanet consists of dA tumblr SJW writers, jews, communists AND nazis somehow
How?

GW2 skill system - shit
combo fields - shit
dodge button - shit
movement - floaty shit
skill progression - shit
story - shit
gear system - shit
wvw - time zone based pointless shit
party play and cooperation - shit
dungeons - pure shit because of above
community interaction - nonexistent

GW2 basically tried to half ass an action system like TERA while keeping their shitty wow-clone engine.

In the end they just fell flat on their face.

Pretty much any other MMO has better combat mechanics than the identity crisis that is GW2. GW2 is a total mess that shat the bed.

GW2 when announced
>no more kill 10 rat quests!
>personal story
>no more gear treadmill
>you'll have to take on all dem elder dragons!
>regular content updates
>big amazing world

GW2 at release
>Kill 10 rat quests only
>Personal story is awful and then handed off to some sylvari fag
>gear treadmill
>you only ever see one. All the others are just busy jerking off i guess
>content updates are temporary. No plans for Cantha or Elona expansion.

i defended this shit for so long but fuck it its one of the worst mmos ever

>bad PvP
>crystal desert leads to Elona
>there's an elder dragon relayed to that area
>they do nothing with it

Unacceptable. They had a perfect setup for Elona content, and they piss on it in favor of temporary content.

They could even do Cantha by opening up the Dominion of winds and making playable Tengu as a race, when its hinted they might have info on other dragons.

I've never been as hyped as I was for a game and then dropped it as fast as GW2 and that's not already 4 years ago.

I'm okay with this since gw2 seemed to go in a different direction from gw1 from the start. As long as she doesn't work on the story it's all right. If gw2 had been going in the right direction following from gw1 from the start it would be a problem

I think my biggest problems were

- Locking skills to weapons was shit. It meant you could have a weapon were 1 or more skills were crap and you couldn't do anything about it. It meant you had to balance your skills around

the weapon rather than total freedom.

- Downed state ruins PvP. It means that your victory against an opponent can be all for naught if 2 other guys turn it. It means that if you have a 2vs1 fight its essentially impossible to

win since they'll both just rescue each other. Where as in other MMOs 2vs1 is possible because you can actually kill people.

- Dynamic events were shit since they repeated every 20 minutes and so you quickly realised that there was no permanence in the world. In other words, even if you rescue the village, 20

minutes later the same village will be attacked by the same enemies. Traditional quests may be considered boring, but at least your brain knows you made a permanent difference to the world.

>No endgame
what MMO has a real endgame
>Gear Treadmill
literally a retard
>Worse story than TORtanic
>Story rips off Skyrim with its "KILL TEH EVUL DRAGUNZ!" shit
MMOs stories are all shiy
>The entire game has you killing the bad guys as a moralfaggot, without an option to join them
tell me a MMO where this happen in the main story
>No likeable NPCs anywhere
nothing to say here
>Choices in personal story doesn't matter
same as the evil guy point
>Technology level is retarded across the entire board, one race has borderline sci-fi technology vs generic medieval humans and steampunk cats
someone like it
>Zero roleplaying elements, your character does all the talking for you automatically
true
>Shit writing
maybe
>destroyed servers based on clients' language in favor of a messy, incoherent piece of shit megaserver system that doesn't work
it work user
>Sylvari is a cookie cutter mary sue race
true
>No dedicated tank or healer
play WoW ifid you want the trinity
>Killed CoH
nothing to say
>Arenanet bans whoever they please
that's not true user
>Arenanet consists of dA tumblr SJW writers, jews, communists AND nazis somehow
true
>Published by NCSoft
true
>Is designed for and by weeaboos and children
all games are designed for this
>No mounts
you don't need it
>No GvG, NO FUCKING GvG. IN A GUILD WARS GAME
is not a GvG game

>$0.02 were deposited to your account

>hurr other mmos are just as shit so this one cannot be criticized as well

Fuck off you relativist sperg. GW2 is shit because it wanted to be innovative but then failed on all fronts.

ITT: WoW fags versus generic MMO
and this is the example

GW2 always gave me the impression of an overambitious game that had to be modified the last months of devevolpment after they realized most of the shit they were going for, either turned out to be boring or simply did not work.

I think the most glaring example of that is the trinity and gear threadmill.
Despite claiming that in the end dungeons felt like they were still designed around the trinity, and instead of gear treadmill they gave us vanity threadmill and some bullshit conditions to obtain the only real upgrade hoping it'd keep players hooked to the game.

That also made crafting completely pointless thus fucking up another game element.

>$0.02 were deposited to your Battle.net account

8 DPS classes
Spam skills
Roll around
No Guild Halls
No GvG (in a GUILD FUCKING WARS)

It seems even more insane that after amazing first game they've failed so badly.

GW2 is possibly the worst sequel I ever played, which is kind of impressive.

WoW and GW2 are both shitty MMOs. Not him but sorry to burst your happy comfortable black-and-white bubble.

PROS:
-cool artstyle
-alt-friendly
-practically no gear grind for stats

CONS:
-Dynamic events/quests are a lie, gets boring almost instantly
-leveling is the same archaic shit as any other mmo just disguised with a meter opposed to 0/X quests
-end game is grinding out cosmetics (so no end game basically)
-combat gets stale very fast
-no holy trinity
-stupidly unbalanced pvp
-pvp only has conquest mode
-wvw is fun for exactly 1 hour then becomes shit once you realize all there is to do is zerg it up and faceroll your keyboard
-no team work required so feels like a single player game
-shit community

It really is GW2 killed my multiplayer addiction, Haven't played an MMO since November 2013.

This game has the worst story and dungeons of any mmo- no, any game- I've ever played. All it has going for it is dress up sim and they even fucked that up with the expansion

>responded to pasta
neo Sup Forums is real

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Well it always has been the least bad MMO out there.

And writing/story-wise the first update of the living world season 3 is one of the best thing that the devs have ever made so it's a good sign for the future of the game. It's seems they still can use their lore

F

>Make an entirely cosmetic endgame
>Make all the armor look like fucking shit
>Only 2 sets of new armor added to the game since release, about 20 added to the Shekel store
>The only content good content they've ever added was temporary
>Your personal story becomes about Treehern and his Salad Blog halfway through
>2nd big part of the story is about Coldsteel The Hedgeheg the Sylvari

I can't believe I fell for the hype, the only revolutionary thing this game managed to do was completely kill MMOs for me.

>no guild halls
you new friendo?

>le dynamic event gimmick

lmao

AS far as I like gw 1
>story about traherne
>forgot about almighty kormir
youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4

>GW1
>There is no right or wrong, no black or white. Every character and group have their own reasons for their actions.
>Fighting alongside rurik, leaving behind your homeland in order to save your people.
>Leading what is left of the party through the shiverpeaks, without a leader and without guidance to make the final trek to Lion's Arch.
>Cross the sea towards the crystal desert, an ancient land that is now only a relic of the past.
>Winning Heroes' Ascent ( PvP ) to truly ascend and gain the favour of the gods
>Traveling to a land troubled by the plague, chasing a man that desperately tries to save his homeland.
>Travelling across a frozen sea and a dying forest uncovering the secrets of an ancient land.
>Crossing the desert fighting alongside an oppressed people.
>Lead the sunspears and order of whispers through the depths of the abyss
>Mhenlo, Cynn, Devona and the rest of the bunch were always at your side until the end.


>GW2
>you are awesome here fight this evil dragon lol

>picked up by Microsoft immediately after getting her degree
>after a year got into Microsoft Game Studios
>soon after got into ArenaNet and got promoted from Tech producer to a fucking HEAD OF DEVELOPMENT for a huge and massively hyped game despite never making any real games or even playing GW1
What the shit, either she gave the best head in the world or something is off here.
It's like if they announced Warcraft 4 and you find out the head developer is someone who finished school 2 years ago, helped make 1 facebook game in the meantime and never played a single RTS let alone Warcraft.

>What MMO has a real endgame
City of Heroes

;_;

>splitting the game into several servers
>not including any option to freely switch between them until way later
>splitting up gw1 community
>mesmer reduced to damage dealer
>replacing quests with area events makes you feel like you have almost no impact on the world
>making groups even more obsolete than GW1 in the start of the game
>going full jew with the f2p content
>raping the skillsystem of GW1 and shitting out a small husk

>huehuehue, plot, plot holes and lore huehuehue
Not going to even answer shit about story on videogames.

>No endgame
Bullshit, there are raids.

>Gear Treadmill
Only a single tier of gear was implemented in fucking 3 years. This is plain bullshit. Its literally the only MMO available where there are no gear treadmill

Ahh I forgot about that animation, Good Times.

>Only a single tier of gear was implemented in fucking 3 years.
right after release

after they specifically said multiple times they weren't gonna do that. Straw that broke camel's back and all. I'm certainly not coming back and the game has been moving in a worse direction ever since.

City of Heroes endgame was actually extremely barebones until near the end of its life cycle. Its benefit for the longest time was that making new characters was ALWAYS fun, something even other superhero MMOs haven't managed to do yet.

I probably made a hundred fucking characters that never made it past level 20 in that game. So good.

>Bullshit, there are raids.
HAHAHAHAHA

>content updates are temporary.
Literally only the first living season

>you only ever see one.
I see a shit ton of people in metaevents at hot

>gear treadmill
There isnt.

>Kill 10 rat quests only
There isnt any of those in any content released in the last 2 years

>no interesting quests
>no interesting landscapes
>"Make any class you want! Oh, you chose that class and want to know why it sucks? Well, if you don't use these abilities and weapons you're useless. Have a great day!"
>literally zero reason (at least for me) to keep logging in after I gimped my first guy, made another, and realized combat feels the exact same


>All races have basically the same abilities with all classes, minus irrelevant race skills that you'll hardly ever use.
>All races have their capital city and vaguely similar amounts of home territory.
>All races vaguely friendly with each other without any conflicts outside of small border shit that lasts a single quest.
>All races have the same stupid copypasta quests.

In GW1 non-humans could actually be exotic and have depth. In GW2 the only difference between races is window dressing for the faggoty MMO LARPers and ERPers.

literally a wow retard

This. Nowhere have I been so much disappointed.

* Levels or gear don't matter, you get upscaled or downscaled. You can wear level 80 exotics and they'll tell you that they add +220 of whateverthefuck, but if you compare it to equipping a white item it will add almost the exact number of stats. +220 is literally a blatant lie.

* No holy trinity, everyone is a jack of all trades

* PvP is a mindless zergfest due to individual builds having almost zero depth

* If you get ganked by two level 1's in PvP, compared to you wearing a 5000g legendary sword and having spent 10.000 hours playing your character, you will get fucked up by them

* Once you complete the story and become the chosen one hero, then going back to a starter area, trash mobs like rabbits will fucking kick your ass because thats immersive

* People measure progression by total achievement points, if that's any indication how fucking disgusting casual this community is

* You have to grind levels to be able to play your story, despite the devs clearly having said they didn't want to make a grinding mmorpg

Honestly, this game is dogshit. The only joy I had with it was selling retards overpriced skins and getting a shitload of gems out of it. The Secret World did this concept much better and has about the same build depth as GW1 had.

A single once implementation is not a treadmill. DO you even know whats a treadmill in real life or a fucking gear treadmill in mmos?

Did they break their promise? Sure
Is it a problem? Sure, you bet
Is it a gear treadmill? No, it fucking isnt

i know but there are ppl that still defend it

what are the best starter zones in shit wars 2

GW2 was the first MMO I've ever actually played for more than 10 minutes. I played WoW for a bit but the first mission was boring and I stopped right there. I haven't played GW2 in a very long time and just deleted it from my hard drive this morning.

The only other MMO I've invested time into is Neverwinter.

In both cases, lack of a monthly fee was a big draw for me. One of the reasons I won't pick up FF14 while all of my coworkers have it.

Since I don't have shit to compare any of these games to, idk, I felt like I was having fun. Shit just feels repetitive after a while.

I hated most of the NPCs.
I mostly hated Trahernia.
Absolutely the worst in every category.
He sidelines the protagonist completely by being the mary sue character of the mary sue race.
He's shit in combat and I wanted him out of every mission he was in because he was a fucking aggro whore with no tanking quality.
His writing is shit and his voiceacting is shit.

I also found the combat in the game to be infuriating.
GW1 with its missing Z-Axis handled the Z-Axis better than this.
If a monster can't get to you for any reason whatsoever it gives up, becomes completely invulnerable while regenerating all of its HP and strolls back to its spawn point.

are you retard? go play a korean MMO and see the real gear treadmill

>no interesting landscapes
Is there a single mmo with better landscapes and level design than gw2? No, not graphics or better textures, I mean the actual landscape. Is there any mmo with better landscapes?

>High level areas are dead with the exception of Orr
>Personal story ends around 30 and becomes a generic 'slay the big bad dragon' plot for 12 year olds to enjoy
>the personal story completely becomes that one Sylvari faggots story pretty much, you just kind of tag along and do his bitchwork
>Gear Treadmill with ascended gear
>Dungeons require the thinking capacity of a monkey to avoid red circles and spam all your cooldown buttons
>sPvP has one mode
>WvWvW is a retarded zergfest with no viable way to counter other than having a bigger zerg
>Crafting is worthless from a profit standpoint of view since EVERYONE can gather mats and sell them at the market's absolute lowest prices
>No way to save builds/gear templates like the first GW
>Respeccing costs money, didn't in GW1
>No GUILD vs GUILD in GUILD WARS 2
>Races are only for cosmetics since the racials cannot be used in sPvP and are terrible compared to the profession counterparts anyway
>If sub based, the game would have already gone free to pl


The only reason I haven't deleted this pile of shit from SSD long ago is to log in once a week and fap to my female thief.

Complain about no progression, then complain about the gear treadmill

Its one or the other.

>Did they break their promise? Sure
>Is it a problem? Sure, you bet
>Is it a gear treadmill? No, it fucking isnt
I will agree with that

I worked on GW2 and I played GW1. I'm no longer with the company btw.

nah, GW2 and WoW are probably the best, and I've always hated WoW.

I'd argue Anarchy Online did for the time, but it doesn't really stack up to what modern machines can handle.

I hated how every class felt the same. I never had one at level 80 or whatever but it felt that every class progressed relatively the same (here's your attack spell, here's your assist, here's your heal, etc). I never felt like I was going anywhere and while the open style of questing was good it just became all mindless to me, just tagging yourself for exp then grinding your way to the next zone while being gated by boring story quests.

imo norn and asura are least shit or maybe char, human is only "centaurs lmao" and plants are shit
Norn is at least somehow related to them (spirits of the wild, sons of svanir)

>YOURE A TANK
>AND YOURE A TANK
>AND I'M A TANK
>EVERYONES A TANK

>good gameplay

Cleaning toilets doesn't count as working on a game.

It's a relaxing, casual world to explore, collect things, and engage the story in if you're interested in. But it's really difficult to be SUPER PASSIONATE or HARDCORE about it.

I'd recommend it for any older players who just awnt to play at their own pace and not get worried about subscrption fees or being behind on the gear treadmill curve.

If you're someone who wants to be one of the best and have a competitive community, then I dont recommend GW2

>They got rid of the holy trinity which just makes the game a spam fest.
>Not to mention they decided it would be best to choose your skills for you depending on what weapon you're using.
>Very few weapon/armor skins. The original threw skins at you.
>No dual professions
>Bosses don't drop signature weapons
>Small stuff like every class and gender having a different emote
>PvP is garbage
>Muh lore
>No expansions planned
>Living Story
>Scarlet
>Trahearne
>Ruined the campaign with Personal Story that can be entirely skipped
>3/4 servers are dead. Server pop counts are incorrect.
>Gems
>HoM rewards were underwhelming
>Trahearne
>They only see Guild Wars 2 as their game. They could care less what the players want.
>It's not Guild Wars 1 HD
>Trahearne

>Respecing cost money
that in untrue from like 2 years

YET ANOTHER ANET "DEV" GETS BTFO

asura is the best. norn is pretty good too. human, charr, and sylvari are shit, with particular emphasis on charr.

I played just the beta, the post: the copy pasta

>High level areas are dead with the exception of Orr
No one goes to Orr. High level areas are full of people in HoT

>Gear Treadmill with ascended gear
There, that treadmill word. Protip: if they implemented a single tier of gear in 3 years, its not a treadmill

>sPvP has one mode
There is cap the shit, the moba one like and deathmatch. Those are 3.

>WvWvW is a retarded zergfest with no viable way to counter other than having a bigger zerg
No. not really. Smart use of WvW passive skills, traps and newly implemented weaponry can change the tide of combat

>Respeccing costs money, didn't in GW1
No, it doesnt. At all. Then again, this is a copypasta from the first 3 months of the game.

>Crafting is worthless from a profit standpoint
Only if you are retarded. I make great money with Infused leyline tools

>No way to save builds/gear templates like the first GW
True. Finally, one.

>No GUILD vs GUILD in GUILD WARS 2
You can fight another guild inside your guild halls now. But it doesnt feel like a war. So I will give it to you this one.

Toilet cleaners are contract labor for the building management and were not directly associated with us what so ever.

GW2 is literally the worst sequel to any game ever created.

>mesmer reduced to damage dealer
What they did to mesmer and necro in GW2 is still hard to believe.

you can't have a discussion about gw2 on Sup Forums user. it always degenerate in a copypasta fest and ppl shilling other MMOs

Thanks for shitting up my gaemu user

Actually mesmer post chronomancer is a lot of fun, but a lot of the fun in gw2 is limited due to whatever the current meta is (which for a long time was being the glassiest as possible).

Necromancers were always boring fucks though 2bh

>Toilet cleaners are contract labor for the building management and were not directly associated with us what so ever.
Were most game devs also contract labor for the building management? That would explain a lot

Shitty, clunky, simplistic combat
WvWvW is doorwar zergfest
Community is full of brony faggots who are completely delusional
Downed mechanic in PvP
Spam-based combat
Skills based on weapons
Dodge button is buggy and boring
No tanks, just a clusterfuck of DPS classes
PvE is full of boring kill x quests
World not persistent due to overflow channels and instances
Themepark fast travel anywhere
One skill bar
Ugly, non-customizable, casual UI
No world PvP
No endgame progression
Terrible auction house
Lame story
Laughable voice acting
Runs like shit on modern rigs - No optimization
Cash shop advantages
abysmal visual nerfs on effects

/thread.

Something only an ArenaNet employee would know clearly.

Badge/prior contract copy or gtfo

>no expansion planned
user I....

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>No expansions planned
It already got one and there will be more ya goof

t. autism
see

a gtx 640m with an amd a4 7300 doesn't count as "modern"

>DAMN IT KORMIR

>you'll never be able to convince your buddies to drop their shitty FOTM to play GW
>game too ded and boring to play alone

>fast travel anywhere
It is like most of you shitards know guild wars 1 from stories only holy shit

Most people on Sup Forums really do only know gw1 from what they've read, and then copy the same shit over and over again whenever GW in general is brought up.
kinda sad 2bh

I sometimes think about downloading it again to complete whole story but i don't want to see this emptiness

I really disliked Nightfall. Easily the worst expac imo.

Meanwhile gw2 is a fucking insult in almost every where possible. Fucking devs parading around the fact that "LOL I NEVER PLAYED GW1 XD GET WITH THE TIMES LOSERS XD" and straight shitting on GW1 lore and characters. To say nothing about how fucking dogshit the actual gameplay is. Worst part though was the armors.

I spent thousands of hours playing GW1 being a faggot and playing dressup, collecting armor sets and shit. GW2 shows up and there's likemaybe 1 or 2 good armor sets. Everything else looks fucking terrible. Gone are the class specific armor sets that had real flavor. Instead we get generic looking shit.

Fuck GW2. Fuck Anerf.

The Secret World

us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/13138914177

degeneracy is everywhere user

Yeah it is pretty true because gw 1 also didn't have trinity but team composition which increased survi etc like imbagons
>anerf
i see what you did there
Anyway from gameplay stand of like class skills heroes etc nightfall was shitty but i really like this African like theme because no other game have it

Nightfall was aesthetically the best.
And it was only 2 devs who paraded that shit.

Like, I understand being angry at the new devs, but they aren't taking GW1 away from you. Unlike other companies, you can still go back and enjoy GW1 completely.

You could only fast travel to outposts though, not within a minute's walk of anything interesting in any zone

Ironically TSW felt more like a proper GW sequel than GW2, especially with how the skills, classes and combat worked.

>Mhenlo, Cynn, Devona
Shit, the flashbacks. I miss you, guys.

Which was shitty. Having to go through a loading screen to go through yet another loading screen just to kill a mob.