What is the Ulysses of Video Games?

What is the Ulysses of Video Games?

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Overrated wankery? Probably Morrowind.

Metal Gear Solid 2

Kill yourself.

specifically a heavily modded morrowind that does nothing to fix the earlygame slog, gets kinda interesting by mid game but gets bogged down with countless lore details only the creators get and then crashes, leaving you to look for some obscure dll only on megaupload links until your eyes glaze over

Its being recommended quite a lot on this shit website.
Is it actually good?

He's right. It's largely fucking garbage with the occasional bit of magic. If ever there was an overblown, overrated sprawling epic comparable to the shitstain that is Infinite Jest, it's JJ's Potato Vodka Memoir.

Over rated book for cuckoldry acceptance? Not sure if there is a game for literal cucks.

Read Finnegan's Wake
It better

>only on this website
It's one of the most important and influential literary works of the XX century
It kinda had every single literary genre in existence when it was written within itself.

MGS4. Wildly overrated and way too fucking long.

MUH BEAR & BULL

I know that its being recommended by pretty much everyone and i've seen it every time i buy books, but i want to know what you people think about it.
Sup Forums is kind of my peergroup i guess.

>book is literally about cuckoldry

No wonder beta muh literatrure cucks love it so much

It's one of those things you won't appreciate if you just sit there and read it. Ulysses is comprised of thousands upon thousands of literary allusions and obtuse metaphor you won't get if you don't get the allusions. There is a reason that there are whole books written as companions to Ulysses, it is indecipherable unless you are an early modernist irishman who has read extensively his whole life.
If you read in a comfy chair and not at a desk lined with note paper and reference books, it isn't worth buying.
Get Lolita instead. That's some legitimately fine reading

Something that isn't bad but is highly overrated because the author made it hard to read and on purpose?

The real problem here is that hard games are much easier to find fun and thus a hard game is actually justifiable

Fallout New Vegas

what if you equate hard to read as hard to play (frustration) instead of hard to play (difficulty)
Dwarf Fortress might be the Ulysses of videogames. You absolutely need a companion wiki your first dozen attempts at making a fortress that works, but once you get everything internalized you begin doing having fun most people wouldn't understand draining oceans for fishbones and breaking into hell for no practical reason

>reading Dedalus' sections
WHAT THE FUCK DID HE GET FROM BEING THAT OBTUSE
DID HE JERK OFF OVER HOW INSCRUTABLE HIS WRITINGS WERE?
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK HE DID ON THAT BEACH

How does a book reach meme status like this one? Is it just luck?
I think a part of it is being different enough to most other books so critics will automatically love it for being "deep". Critics love shit like Finnegan's wake and namecalling plebs who don't like their "art" written by writers high on shrooms.

I'm only remembering two times Dedalus went to the beach, once in Portrait where he cummed a little because he saw some underage girl in white wading in the shallows and dedicated his life to AESTHETIC and the first chapters of Ulysses where he let the loud guy have his key but refused to bathe with him and his friend.

>started it 3 or 4 times
>never finished the prologe
Guess Dragon's Dogma, but it had a way better character creator than James Joyce's Ulysses.

>Is it just luck?
Take a literature course.

>yeah, I totally understood this obscure, aimless "plot" by carefully looking at the clues, and there's no way I had to go online to read an analysis. Nope.

la Mulana

Most books and the medium itself are utter shit so it's no wonder the fans love to gobble down garbage like this.. Don't be fooled by the "reading is for intellectuals" propaganda.

At the beginning of Ulysses

>Chapter 6
>> Put on poor old greatgrandfather Kraahraark! Hellohellohello amawfullyglad kraark awfullygladaseeragain hellohello amarawf kopthsth.

OP, I guess the answer is Big Rigs Racing, as it is something which tries to be a video game and completely fails at it.

What is essential Irish vidya?

Not him (I actually like books and video games) but that's pretty much how I've always seen it.

prolly this

No thanks I don't care about art faggots' circlejerk clubs.

Ulysses is just circlejerk fan pandering for scholars.

The Ulysses of games would be full of disguised ebin obscure references to games of the past wherein, if you are someone who likes to sniff your own farts, you can go "ha ha I got that how droll."

So maybe Retro City Rampage or Scott Pilgrim vs the World.

Why do people get so angry about Ulysses? I haven't read it but if it's just a really meticulously written book that's really hard to get that sounds pretty respectable.

Are people mad that it's not easy to get? Like the author is laughing at you or something?

This is one of the reasons I love video games; it's next to impossible to pretend a purposely obtuse, boring game is somehow great.

Anti-intellectualism is emotional poison
You actually start believing that anyone that understands something you don't is pretending.

Half-life

First post best post

bruh, i just got the book for free from amazon yesterday, about to read it too

>looking for art within trash entertainment for kids

It goes out of its way to make itself harder to read. If it were written like a normal book everyone would look past how garbage it is. Think of it as certain indie games.

Every single line is a reference for pretentious literary types so they can cum all over themselves. It's a book for "fans of the fandom", but for academic literature readers, and they just lap it up.

It's shit because it's written to pander to snobs, and the snobs just unironically love it.

Buck asks Stephen for the key and some small change, and Stephen is so far up his own ass that he vows to not go home because that is such an affront (because he pays the rent). Buck is probably Ireland, bleeding the Irish (Stephen) for their hard earned money, while that third guy, the English one, sits back and watches while trying to take Stephens ideas and print them under his name, like the Irish feel the English are doing. Stephen deciding not going home here (heck, the whole chapter) is kind of retreading the Portrait of an Artist, because these are the same ideas he plays with there.

>James Joyce
>Having to wear an eye patch due to his failing sight, Joyce took the opportunity to role play as a pirate.
>On Friday nights in Paris he would pick up a prostitute. Under the pseudonym “Cap’n MacCool”, Joyce would escort the woman to a rented clipper ship that he kept docked in the Seine. Inside of the grand cabin, at his request, the prostitute would stream her dirty consciousness upon him.

Whatever you say
You get so mad over this little thing written in 1922, get over yourself.

t. buttmad english major

He is just walking across the shore while musing about what he sees in relation to his memories. Some inside jokes about christianity and Paris.

Really, there are two ways to read Ulysses: either study it or read it aloud while drunk.

Who is the Ulysses S. Grant of video games?

t. Buttmad college dropout

So you admit to being an English major, then?

I always try to avoid calling it "anti-intellectualism" because it seems too easy but that sure makes a lot of sense in this context.

See you can't just "pretend" to be extremely deep and convoluted. As far as I know he spent a decade of his life just writing this because this is the book he thought needed to be written.

I'm not sure if I'll ever read it or not but it's very strange to write off his efforts just because they went over your head.

>probably a college dropout is his boss at the burger flipping chain
LAMO

And you admit to being a college dropout?
I'm an actual dropout, studied literature for about a year but I don't want to be an editor so I dropped out.
I hate Joyce but it's a meme so I have fun with it.

high literature isn't for you unless you study STEM

> As far as I know he spent a decade of his life just writing this because this is the book he thought needed to be written.
Yeah right books need to be read alongside complementary texts explaining it
Are you from /lit/?

What is the Amerian Psycho of Video Games?

How's the actual prose though? I read a sample of Joyce's prose one time and it was pretty nice, how about this?

Fuck that, what is the FInnegan's Wake of video games if not LSD: Dream Simulator?

I don't recall Joyce saying you needed complimentary text to read Ulysses.

Can you cite him saying as such?

A book/movie that lead to a ton of memes but remains inexplicably good: probably the first S.T.A.L.K.E.R

>just writing this because this is the book he thought needed to be written.

People give Joyce's intentions too much credit: his work is a rocambolesque giant, but he never wanted to take himself (or Ulysses, for that matter) seriously. Just see how jokingly he treats his past self's (Dedalus) ramblings.

Ulysses is, amongst all, a really really funny book.

Then enjoy your anti-intellectual ignorance.

I just know there's a game that ends just how it starts: a kind of loop, just like finnegan's wake. I just can't fucking think of it. Fuck.

Just start with his first two works. They're really short and they're good "starters" on Joyce.

wildly variable. Some parts read like a book, but the drunk/sleepy bits are direct stream of consciousness word salad.
Here's some of the last chapter
>YES BECAUSE HE NEVER DID A THING LIKE THAT BEFORE AS ASK TO get his breakfast in bed with a couple of eggs since the City arms hotel when he used to be pretending to be laid up with a sick voice doing his highness to make himself interesting to that old faggot Mrs Riordan that he thought he had a great leg of and she never left us a farthing

Not him but, for starters, the characters (and their backstory) came from other book. And the Ulysses is full or references of him and his other books.

So yes, unless you are a Joyce fanboy, you need complementary texts.

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tl;dr literary postmodernism a SHIT

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UH OH HERE'S YOUR GOD CALLING YOU OUT ON YOUR BULLSHIT
WHAT NOW

I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish Wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.


^^most beautiful english passage imo

Haven't read ulysses

Are you implying I don't like books because I don't think Ulysses is amazing?

>Ulysses
>literary postmodernism

Are you okay?

Ulysses is the most modernist text in existence braindead frogposter
It wants to be a galaxy of its own and hold itself and the entire human history within itself.

The book is so badly written and convoluted, and full to the brim with references to other things that you either need to decipher it like a caveman or use supplementary text
if this is how books need to be written I'd drop the medium.

I like more actually intellectual topics such as mathematics.

I thought it was a pseudo-sequel to portrait. I mean you should have already read portrait. It's really short.

I don't know who that is.

>The book is so badly written
What a waste of trips.

>I don't know who that is.
:^)

Am I supposed to?

>did he jerk off
well actually

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of particular interest is the one from 8 December

pretty much any metal gear game

overrated, pedantic, and unfun

>Ulysses
>unfun

Sorry to hear that--not that you're into mathematics, but that you're so myopic.

>obnoxious joyce fans
>obnoxious kojima fans
I think you are behind something. user.

>pedantic

CHECK YOUR LEGS BEFORE YOU SHREK YOUR LEGS

So what's with all the false flag pretentious posts?

It can be weird at times, but the stream-of-consciousnessparts are actually like being in someone elses head. It's good

whatever.... modernism, postmodernism, he did both anyways, and im tired. but both are shit, pretentious as fuck shit

pic related is better writing than anything joyce did, not even joking.

protip: im not implying ff8 is good writing and that's the point :^)

>almost 100 years after its publication
>people are still triggered that an erudite author wrote a book for himself
Will humanity ever be ready for its own works of art?

Hero who allowed public enthusiasm to take him out of his depth? I'd say Inafune (that is if you think he kickstarted MN9 in good faith)

You know, I'm sure Joyce and a bunch of other geniuses from times past, if born when we were, would have done nothing with their lives other than watching specific fetish porn videos online. How many Joyces are living right now, lost to mindless masturbation?

You'd need a lifetime and a half to fully appreciate this book, so don't bother. Also /lit/ needs to go.

>wrote a book for himself
That's the key. Some people get angry if something isn't written for everyone i.e. themselves.

Name a postmodern joyce book

The air of the room chilled his shoulders. He stretched himself cautiously along under the sheets and lay down beside his wife. One by one they were all becoming shades. Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age. He thought of how she who lay beside him had locked in her heart for so many years that image of her lover's eyes when he had told her that he did not wish to live.
Generous tears filled Gabriel's eyes. He had never felt like that himself towards any woman but he knew that such a feeling must be love. The tears gathered more thickly in his eyes and in the partial darkness he imagined he saw the form of a young man standing under a dripping tree. Other forms were near. His soul had approached that region where dwell the vast hosts of the dead. He was conscious of, but could not apprehend, their wayward and flickering existence. His own identity was fading out into a grey impalpable world: the solid world itself which these dead had one time reared and lived in was dissolving and dwindling.
A few light taps upon the pane made him turn to the window. It had begun to snow again. He watched sleepily the flakes, silver and dark, falling obliquely against the lamplight. The time had come for him to set out on his journey westward. Yes, the newspapers were right: snow was general all over Ireland. It was falling on every part of the dark central plain, on the treeless hills, falling softly upon the Bog of Allen and, farther westward, softly falling into the dark mutinous Shannon waves. It was falling, too, upon every part of the lonely churchyard on the hill where Michael Furey lay buried. It lay thickly drifted on the crooked crosses and headstones, on the spears of the little gate, on the barren thorns. His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last end, upon all the living and the dead.

>he did both anyways
No he didn't.

> You will begin to groan and grunt and sigh and fart with lust in your sleep. Then I will lick up faster and faster like a ravenous dog until your cunt is a mass of slime and your body wriggling wildly.
>Goodnight, my little farting Nora, my dirty little fuckbird!

My sides have left orbit at relativistic speeds

>ulysses sucks because it's too hard and i don't have the prerequisite knowledge to enjoy it


So Sup Forums is filled with casual after all.

yes, you are supposed to know who noam chomsky is

Why?

He revolutionized linguistics you idiotic fuck, biggest revolution since Ludwig fucking Wittgenstein

>I'm the only booker here
I'll bet you never finished the Ulysses in hard with all the achievements.