Was he the best designed game character?

Was he the best designed game character?

I mean in terms od character development, story, personality, all of that shit?

Most game characters dont seem to come close to the complexity and detail that it took to making him

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yes

No

maybe so

maybe not

What did BB do in peacewalker that made him a bad dude? How did the death of The Boss affect him after snake eater?

I don't remember much, but obviously employing Chico in MSF is something.

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probably

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Can you repeat the question?

Even Venom is a better character

>Brick Wall
What is this meme and why do I usually see it in threads related to Metal Gear?

why did you post a picture of a brick wall?

>Even a wall is better than venom

Ha

He built a fucking nuclear superpower in the middle of the fucking ocean.

Well, yeah, that too.

Looks-wise? There will never be a more iconic and instantly gripping face. It really is perfect.

Everything about MSF is evil (your logo is a fucking skull you cunt, "hanz are we the baddies?" tier), the nuke you get is just the icing on top (Metal Gear has always been intensely anti-nuclear)

Basically you were blinded by your love for the Big Boss, warfare is inherently evil, if it was solid he would've defeated PW without the help of an evil PMC, etc etc

Best villain in all of video games

No other has fucked me over personally nearly as badly

Gothic 1 & 2 - Nameless Hero.
Might not have a good character development, but some of his dialoque options are just pure gold.

>Venom does all the hard work while BB sits around smoking his favorite cigars in a sick leather jacket while riding a motorcycle

Yeah, fuck that cunt

great, now I have to play G1 and 2 again.

That is, indeed, great :^)

>Basically you were blinded by your love for the Big Boss

He was pretty loveable in 3. Maybe I should get on with peacewalker. It sounds important

>you'll never smoke your favorite cigar while driving a sick af motorcycle through the world

Jonathan is the best Big Boss

Fuck no. Big Boss development was decent in MGS3(and even then it wasn't that good) but garbage in all the other games. The first game that actually could have dive into him as a real characters(away from the boss) was put off instead for Venom Snake.

Solid Snake in MGS1 and Raiden in MGS2 were way better written and had much more character than Big Boss did in 3 games.

At the end of Peace Walker they secured a nuclear missile without telling the rest of the word, becoming a nuclear power. His big speech at the end was about how MSF wasn't going to be constrained by morality, and they'll do whatever they're paid to do

Big Boss starts MGS3 believing in his country and his mission 100%. He gets betrayed by not only his mentor but, one of the greatest American heroes of his time. At the end of the game he learns that she never betrayed her country or him, she was just following orders for the greater good even at the cost of her life and legacy. So having to kill her left his feeling lost, disillusioned, and betrayed with no marketable skills other than being an amazing soldier and agent, opening the door for the evens of Peace Walker.

Why was Venom more attractive than Big Boss?

Honestly, I've never understood this meme. I mean, I know you're supposed to say "haha, brick wall" etc. But why is it always posted in Metal Gear threads?

>end of MGS3, Big Boss hates America, perfect setup for why he would launch an uprising against it in MG1 and 2
>PW comes along
>MUH BIG BOSS'S WILL WAR WITH ZERO FULFILLING BOSSES WILL MAD AT CIPHER FOR CLONES GRRRR
>Retconned to not give two shits about America and just care about his dumb boss and a stupid feud with zero

Man, fuck PW

because it's a required meme for mgs threads

Why was BB always so autistic about his clones?

Would you be happy if someone just made 2 more of you against your will?

Venom is more stylish.

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>perfect setup for why he would launch an uprising against it in MG1 and 2

Big Boss being disillusioned doesn't justify how batshit crazy he went or him literally trying to take over the world and create perpetual war

Making him an autistic Solid Snake in 3 is why Kojima felt he needed 3 more fucking games so explain how he became a nuclear warlord

MGS4 kind of missed the point, sure, but you can't deny that MGS2 raiden is a very well-written character.

i wouldn't be against it

I want to see the adventures of Big Dad.

Is that solid snake?

Can one of the clones be a girl? I want to fuck myself and cuck myself at the same time.

I love Raiden's arc in MGS2. Almost as much as Snakes in MGS1.

It wasn't meant to "justify" it. You were simply meant to interpret his personality in MGS3 and where the game leaves him with MG1/MG2 in mind, since he explains himself to Solid Snake in MG2. There wasn't really anything missing or left to explain.

Yes and his romance arc with Rose is the best in vidya! /s

There was a comic about this, wasn't there?

>Haha wasn't that great when we made fans think they were going to play as snake and then made them play as a blonde faggot kid doing cartwheels?
>Let's do it again with Big Boss and some npc but also take out an entire chapter from the end of the game!
>Get it? The phantom pain because it'll never be whole again! Also no refunds on that $59.99 +tax gaijin

Literally fuck Kojima and his faggot friend Hideo

All I have is this one.

Liquid kinda cute in a mean way.

She was an AI anyway you dumb fuck. Good job on missing the point.

MGS3, yes. Very well designed.
PO/Peacewalker, motivation starts to fade.
MGS4, vague and rambling. Closes out the story without giving a direct answer.

MGS5, shit. By the time you get to the end of the game there's not much motivation to hate Zero. It was Skullface who destroyed MSF and Zero is the one who saved BB and hid him in the hospital for 9 years. Even hiring Miller and Ocelot to protect him and creating the double.

It's part of why the plot in MGS5 suffers so much even if Chapter 3 was done.

>2 eyes
Yes

Assmad Big Boss fanboy detected

Hoooooly shit. Guys, look at the middle top area of this posy really closely. That's Naked Snake!

But he looks exactly like Solid Snake.

The player having no motivation to fight Cipher is the whole fucking point, it's Big Boss's war not Venom's. Why the fuck do you think Venom won't shoot skull face when you pull the trigger? He doesn't give two shits about revenge, he's just too broken of a man to do anything other than help Miller achieve it.

>Can one of the clones be a girl?

If it was Capcom, sure.

Why did Miller care about kids? He said he never liked them.

How come the Patriots didn't make a female snake?

I always see people say, lol wall, but I genuinely don't get this. Like, I've never seen a explanation, or anyone reply about it other than I don't get it or lol wall.
I'm beginning to think its the same person posting it and same fagging responses.
I get that its a wall, but why is it posted? Is it a joke? Am I suppose to be seeing something in the brick design, or background?

Because she would be too sexy for this world

Would that even be possible to make a female clone of BB?

This, NH was just based, no edge, no whining, no drama, just getting shit done and banter. Also loved how him getting so obscenely powerful inside the colony was actually coherent with the story, and not just a gameplay mechanic or a measure of progress.

>mfw beat MGSV for the first time a week ago
>mfw I thought Venom Snake would feel all betrayed and shit
>mfw he just doesn't give a fuck

Get some XY chromosones, Cut off the Y, splice the XX together and this is what M.Bison from streetfighter looks like as a girl.

I think MGS3 killed the entire concept of Big Boss actually being a leader of anything. He has mental issues and is probably a savant in stealth. Dude thought that eating luminescent mushrooms would recharge his equipment batteries and I remember him doing a lot of other super dumb stuff in the codecs as well. Basically I don't understand how someone like him was capable of building a base and overseeing all of its development and troop acquirement with Brains helping him- like Kaz.

Did BB hold a grudge against Kaz about the end of PW all that time?

He helps set up Outer Heaven, sets up Zanzibar land AND works for Foxhound all at the same time

> Konami shows a teaser for MGS6 at E3 2017
>A girl is the main character
>everyone thinks she is The Boss
>But no, you play as a teenage female snake clone whose existence has been kept top secret her entire life
>first mission is escaping from your handlers

Calling it now

Sup Forums would hate this and will praise TPP

>this is what M.Bison from streetfighter looks like as a girl.
That's not Rose

There's no reason to think he sets up Zanzibar until after Outer Heaven blows up.

Why would he feel betrayed? He tried to sacrifice himself to save Big Boss, lost his arm, and eye, all of his comrades too.
The dumbest part is that they felt the need to hypnotise him into believing he was Big Boss, given the above, he would've done it on his own accord if he'd been asked.
The only thing he would be pissed off about is N313, if BB intended for it to be a suicide mission.

Depends if you buy into Big Boss intending for Venom to die at OH in the first place to fool the Patriots into thinking he was dead.

>the game that BB goes crazy in and the game the GZ is a direct sequel to is important

woah no way

>implying v wouldn't call it Goty because they get to play as a girl

Did you even play PW? It sets up MG1 and 2 perfectly with him understanding the Boss' will and saying screw that

>ywn recruit the young/er members of Foxhound one by one.
>ywn find young Sniper Wolf in the burning ruins of her town, she will never call you Saladin.
>ywn enlist young Solid Snake in your unit and teach him everything you know.


JUST KILL ME.

I thought it was just a portable spin off

Wernt they talking about an Iraq map for mgsv before the cuts? Would have to bring SWolf into that

Don't worry, Big Boss' adventure is in MGS5

Chapter 3 will be on Konami's all new, all exclusive pachinko machine coming to an arcade near you.

I don't, because that's an extremely expensive and elaborate plot that involves building and destroying a fortress and an experimental weapon.

There's no reason to assume anything is different about the events of MG1 other than that Venom was there and not Big Boss and that it was Venom that Solid Snake killed. The rest is presumably the same.

I don't necessarily disagree, but at least the theory is KIND OF interesting unlike the shitshow we got. Could add a bit of depth to Venom's character, unlike what we got.

The same reason Kaz felt betrayed. BB using them without them knowing it.

Is there anything official that says how David was when we was a child like Eli? I'm talking personality and shit, not so much what happened to him.

It just doesn't make any sense that Big Boss would have Solid Snake blow up a clear chance at destroying the Patriots and creating his global Outer Heaven vision just to kill off a doppelganger--especially if his reason for killing off that doppelganger is to fool the very system he would otherwise be able to destroy with Outer Heaven. Do you see where I'm going with this?

This would make sense if Venom were the one that created Outer Heaven and Big Boss simply wanted him out of the way, but that's not the case.

I mean we could go back and forth for ages just for the sake of it, but we're basing this all off of the original MG1/2, which is the only thing we have to speculate off. But if Kojima had made the MG1/2 remakes then a lot of it would probably be retconned to hopefully give Venom a bit of a better story.

Not sure. But considering how much he grew up like his father, he was probably pretty similar to BB as kid.

I'm not really going off of MG1 and MG2, though. Not really. Or at least it isn't necessary for me to.

I'm going off of MGS4 and MGSV itself.

We know that Big Boss makes Outer Heaven and later Zanzibarland. We know from MGS4 that these were strongholds against the Patriots' influence. You're telling me that he would give Venom the keys to his warmongering car just to set him up. I'm saying that doesn't really make any sense.