Could he become more iconic than Cloud or do you think Square will try to bullshit people in to believing that he's a...

Could he become more iconic than Cloud or do you think Square will try to bullshit people in to believing that he's a fan favourite like Lightning?

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>Square will try to bullshit people in to believing that he's a fan favourite like Lightning?

>simple and memorable design
>cool as fuck
>swagger
>black is cool
>dat on glove
>boots

This has iconic written all over it.
All he needs is a memorable and iconic weapon to go with.
Thank you, based Nomura.

He looks like a boy band drop out that is 2 kool 4 skool. He won't be remembered for anything positive. I honestly cringe every time I see this game.

He's completely unrelatable for any actual human being.

But Cloud and Squall were also so who knows.

I- I like Lightning

dead on arrival

They won't treat him like Lightning. Toriyama is literally in love with Lightning

He's pretty cool but I think it's the fact that he has DID that will make his story truly memorable.

The protagonist of FF Versus XIII was iconic. This is just an angsty royal teen.

He's already pretty iconic considering his game isn't even out so yeah.

It's literally the same exact design he's had since Versus 2010, and he's 20 almost 21.

Depends on if he has a personality like Cloud or none like Lightning.

>some people actually believe this

He looks less edgy and less babyface now. But the important bits are the same I'd say.

>DID
What.

Nobody replied to my thread woe is me so I'll ask my question here.

Why is Lightning well received in Japan but hated in the west? Did they change something in the NA release or is it a cultural thing?

Because she has no personality for the west to attach to and japan only likes her for her design.

She lacks character and has no ass, dude.

He's already iconic for the simple fact that people have known him for 10 years. His game isn't even out yet and he's literally a part of some peoples childhood memories.

I couldn't stand her voice direction.

I don't understand.

How does she have no personality? What does a character do, or not do, that defines whether they have "personality" or "character"? She seems just fine to me.

Also flat is justice

If he had pants instead of shorts maybe

IMO the thing that will make him memorable is the fact that he looks really edgy but is really friendly. I think people will get attached to that.

whenever when i look at noctis i see this

Are you fucking blind? His design hasn't changed since 2010.

Japanese have no taste, but Americans are no better.

I think he has a really high ass chance it's scary.

He wears a suit too

>>simple and memorable design
sasuke 2.0
>>cool as fuck
generic edgy, done and redone to death those past 30 years
>>swagger
swag was a term used by gay people, when you see his run animation, I agree
>>black is cool
everyone is black, so it doesn't stand out
>>dat on glove
yes
>>boots
red under, memorable

>2010
is that when you started being old enough to go on the Internet?

No. He just looks like an emo fag and nothing noteworthy or interesting designwise like the weather protags.

What do you remember of her character besides tge fact that she loves her sister and is a "takes no shit from anyone" gal?

Does she have anything memorable like "whatever" autism or "let's mosey"?

He has no personality.

It's wierd his design is simple yet, there is something about noctis that just feels right it really makes you think.

Are you underage or something? Noctis 2006 design was babby face in his trashbah then his design changed in 2010 and he got his Roen designed outfit then too, his design hasn't changed since 2010.

For 5 minutes

sasuke is one of the coolest looking motherfuckers around.

>anyone caring about Cloud

Without Tifa, no one would've remembered the FF7 cast.

He has more personality than 90% of FF characters already displayed and his game isn't out yet.

He's the only one in the group that looks like he's dressed for a fucking adventure. The rest look like bitch boys from some Japanese bishonen boys club or something. At least they had the decency to give him some goddamn boots and practical shorts.

He doesn't even look like Sasuke anymore and you seem desperate to project.

Nope.

When did I say anything about 2010? I said the original design, back when the game was about mafia bosses with fantasy powers in a modern city.

Hey, y'all!

No for however long you want.

They'll never have another character as iconic as Cloud but I don't think they'll force him as much as Lightning unless he's secretly Tabata's husbando.

Are you really this fucking stupid? It literally still is that. His design hasn't changed since Versus 2010.

>Nope
What is this a response to? I didn't ask a question I made a statement that his design is that of an emo fag and he's visually generic which is true.

I swear to god if japan and the west don't flood the web with r34 of her I'll do it myself with stick drawings.

Nope that is objectively false.

He is less emo than Cloud and Squall and his outfit is confirmed to be a military coat, military cropped cargoes, combat boots, arm guard and an undershirt. Nothing is emo about it. Plus he slicks his hair back later on.

Lightning is as iconic as Cloud because of her sheer prominence. Even people that barely play vidya recognize her as final fantasy. Cloud just has the nostalgia from all the 20somethings who played his game first.

2010 is yesterday, I'm talking of a time you're to young to remember, kid

Cloud is sort of relateable if you had a cool kid friend you looked up. And then mindfucked yourself into believing you were them.

Noctis has his dad relationship angle going, which is a lot easier to relate to. Pretty much every guy can. We just dunno how well or not they are gonna play it out, considering it's a JRPG, I imagine it won't be anything too nuanced.

Lightning is prominent, not iconic. Now that Wada is gone and Toriyama is irrelevant, they'll stop pushing her onto everyone's face and she'll be no more prominent than Terra or Rinoa.

I'm not talking about his personality you autism nigger. All black leather shit, fucking skulls, and combat boots is more emo than overalls+turtleneck or glamrock biker.

Well you can tell she has suffered too much loss. She's filled with regrets for most of the game and doesn't actually want to be alone.

I was really excited for him based on what Nomura said and what little we had seen of him.

but Tabata didn't like him so he changed him and I don't know now.

I think Nomura's Noctis had the chance to be a well-written sort of iconic

Tabata's Noct will probably be something you can sympathize with more but the writing just makes him seem like some shonen mc

>Nomura's Noct
for patricians who value quality over all else
>Tabata's Noct
for anime lovers who just want a loveable guy but that's popular nowadays so yea he might be popular

>edgy
>Noctis
How? So far his defining trait is that he sleeps a lot and wishes he got to spend more time with his dad

Are people just ignoring the fact that this game has been through such a development clusterfuck that not only the gameplay but the story are likely to be a complete mess?

The fuck are you spouting? Everyone remembers the girl who dies, the nigga with a gun arm, the vampire, a cat on a fat animal, the jailbait, the dog, and the old fart who swears.

So you really are underage.

I think you got that mixed up.

>Nomura's Noct
>Pssh... its personnel now... kids... you shouldn't have made me angry!!! *eyes change color in reaction to emotion* Witness the power of Lucis!! *teleports swords and sits on throne looking sullen*

>Tabata's Noct
>What is that in my burger? Salad? Get that shit outta here Ignigga
>Dad play football with me

He's already iconic as vaporware

He is literally older than actual video game players and yet he has absolutely no story or anything we know about him

Final Fantasy characters are all becoming like this; Square Enix """"design"""" something and then parade it around like "LOOK DAD I DID A DRAWING" when it takes more than just a CG render and Nomura art to give a character life.

>simple and memorable design
>cool as fuck
>swagger
>black is cool
>dat on glove
>boots

Read what I just said idiot. He's in military coat, military cropped cargoes, military combat boots, arm guard and an undershirt. The black is because that's their kingdoms colors and the skulls are symbols of the kingdom.

I don't think she's well received anywhere other than Nomura's office

The Elevens probably all think he's nuts too

I don't think knowing a characters favorite breakfast cereal, or them having a catchphrase is what makes them have "personality"
How they interact with other characters, what they say, how they say it, and their overall demeanor is what's important.
And It's a lot more than just loving her sister, and not taking shit from anybody; her sister is all she has left, and It's pretty obvious, and she even blatantly says at one point, she's only pretending to be tough.

No he didnt, stop spouting this shit already. He said he couldn't get a grasp of him as a human but then read his backstory and came to like him and see him as human, he said nothing about them actually changing him.

2 gloves ruined already

It wasn't really a clusterfuck, as far as we know. It just took a really really really long time to get anywhere before being cockblocked by FF14 and getting redone from the ground up while still keeping a fair amount things from Versus 13. Sure some plot elements being turned into an anime and a movie is pretty weird but I guess it's sorta better than just getting rid of them altogether.

The writing stuff has been pretty consistent. Nomura was even involved halfway through the XV cycle.

Dyke with no ass.

Toriyama, not Nomura.

Not him but [citation needed].

Thats not even true and doesn't imply any of that. Versus to XV has seen less changes than the original FF7, 9 and 10 concepts were to the final game.

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Lightning is cute. Cute!

>implying he's not just switching his one glove so fast that it looks like two

Implying there is something wrong with that?

Sasuke looks cool and so does noctis.

Noctis even gets red eyes when he is bloodlusted or something

Nah, part of what makes Cloud so iconic is how strong of a first impression he makes by simple virtue of his design standing out even among the colorful cast of his own game. His iconic nature has a lot to do with the fact that his very silhouette illicits instant recognition.

Noctis doesn't have that same quality. In fact, he's intentionally designed to be somewhat subtle aside from his anime hair, but even that is extremely derivative.

Add in that young normies are going to play FFVIIR after XV and it's not likely that Noctis will serve as a replacement for Cloud.

That really is cute.

And it makes him look like an emofag. It doesn't matter if there's a story justification for him looking like an emofag but wearing all black with black studs and black skulls and a black fingerless glove and black combat boots and black spikey hair makes him look like an emofag.

Cloud is iconic design from his silhouette because of his hair and bustersword. Nothing is preventing Noctis to be iconic from his silhouette with his phantom swords.

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Character motivations aren't personality, just like character arcs aren't. The stuff she says is not as important as how she says it. Sense of humour, quirks, personal shit she does in her solo time.

Lightining says she knly acts strong, but we never actually see her being weak when she's alone. How she copes or how she lets off steam.

That is what is wrong with her.

When Squall blows off people, they could've done it a million different ways, but "whatever" is short and to the point. This is what defines his personality. I hate Squall, he's an autistic faggot, but they had a clear idea of what his personality was and wrote him memorably.

I can't think of a single standout feature like that for Lightning.

No it doesn't, nice projection.

Noctis acts like a manchild who can't take care of himself. If he doesn't grow as a character, which SE loves to do with their characters, he will be remembered as an obnoxious brat.

This.

Cloud and Noctis take two very different approaches to character design, and while Noctis's approach might serve to complement the character and universe he's part of, it does him no favors as far as stsnding out from the crowd.

Cloud, on the othrr hand, cuts a very strong image by his sword alone, which, as bizarre as it is, does draw the eye far more effectively. Even his more realistic AC/FFVIIR versions stand out from the crowd.

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Military my ass. It looks like edgy shit only a teenager would appreciate.

Nomura said that he would be "more clever than Cloud" but then Tabata shit all over everything so probably not anymore.

>inb4 Tabata din do nuffin everything is the same!

They axed the main girl, changed the main character drastically, changed prompto numerous times, axed the entire opening for some fanfic tier movie and cut out the main casts backstories and rewrote them for an anime. and that's just half the stuff we know about.

The phantom swords can't be part of a "silhouette" becausr they aren't on his person when inactive.

Cloud looks like a fucking weirdo just standing around. Even if he doesn't have the sword, he still hsd the spikey pauldron and super saiyan hair, and depending on when in the setting you're at, has a flowing buttcape and possibly a single robe-like sleeve. Noctis, in comparison, looks rather normal.

Yeah you're right. It's just me projecting. Nevermind the fact that the resounding online response to the characters designs were that they look like a faggy boyband. Noctis definitely has a cool awesome design and not some generic as fuck design an autistic middleschooler drew in their naruto yaoi journal.

He's already more subdued and less obnoxious than most FF characters.

If Squall can have the popularity being a complete ass and Tidus being a dudebro, Noctis will based on his down to earth personality and close friendships alone. Growing to be a kickass king will just cement it.

don't forget he turned the combat into mobile-tier awkward garbage

Why the fuck do people still say "emo"? Every time I see this it's like, what the fuck are you even saying? That he cuts himself? Are there adults on here that really think this way? Fucking christ you should be ashamed.

It's sad because before Tabata changed him he sounded like someone who was capable enough and had a strong enough personality to form his own opinions and develop on his own as a character. Now, Tabata made him into someone who has to rely on everyone around him.

It's a shame because I really like his design, and with the right personality I think he could have been iconic. Now, I just feel like people who already don't like his design are just going to use his manbaby personality to shit on him more.

You realize Noctis swords sets him apart too right.

You can just as easily say cloud copied SS Gohan as much as you could Noctis with Sasuke.

good save

Stop trying so hard Nomuracuck, Nomura was with Tabata through the writing phase of XV.

Nice denial and projection. He's even had combat training since young age by Gladio who's military.

Noctis is a surprisingly fun character, he looks like an edgelord but hes more or less just cheeky fuck with procrastination problems.