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>XRD Revelator balance patch hits exactly after EVO Grandfinals

>Johnny, Sin, Elphelt has nerfs that fills a whole page each.

>All 3 are still Tippy-Top tier.

>Meanwhile Dizzy, who everyone thought will be up top, actually isn't.

How?

Because their skillset is what makes them incredible, not the numbers. Outside of giving them pathetic numbers on everything you're never going to make them anything but good.

I just ordered this and suck at fighting games.

Am I in for a bad time?

If you are the type that just isn't going to put in time to actually LEARN, and just bitch first before trying, just return it really.

You can't cheat your way in conversations about FGs and try to trolld because people know stuff from playing. Unlike other games.

And yes, you'll lose. A lot.

They are good because they have everything needed, good normals, easy confirms, godlike preassure, combos that lead into kockdown or other favourable positions, etc

Dizzy, while she has the easy preasure, doesnt have good reliable mixups to capitalize out of it


Also raven should be nerfed to hell, probably the dumbest yet more effective char gg has ever had

>Meanwhile Dizzy, who everyone thought will be up top, actually isn't.

dizzy has never been and never will be top

you can thank not having a reversal for that

>raven should be nerfed to hell

The flying fuck? He's like Millia-lite actually that's even too much to call him that.

He sucks.

Wasn't Dizzy considered top tier when +R was new? I might be wrong about that, but I have a vague memory of people placing her among the top 3.

Dizzy was top tier in +R, her fish pressure was just disgusting

Give me a moment I'm going to explain how and why top tiers stayed strong and Dizzy is lackluster.

How much single player content is there with the game? Can I have fun with just that?

Xrd had awesome single player content

MOM mode, Story mode, good Survival mode unlike SF, Challenge mode, etc

I'll probably pick it up then. I love the art style and am semi decent at fighting games.

Oh plenty there's great tutorials, story mode, a survival-esk mode, arcade, and so on. If you strictly want more single player content you can pick up Accent Core Plus R on steam. It doesn't have the great tutorial modes that Xrd has, but it does have more single player modes like survival mission and team battle.

Have pros started posting new tier lists? Links please.

Ok starting with Johnny.
His pressure game combined with long range moves is a pretty standard thing, that didn't really change since previous games. What makes him so strong now is the increased OTG state compared to previous games. It allows him to pretty much always end combo with coin hit. It's a huge buff to another very strong point he got compared to previous game, hitconfirming. With Xrd Pachi and Ishi wanted to make things much simpler pretty much increasing the average combo potential for many characters and it's pretty apparent. With Johnny that mindset it led into half screen mist finer lvl.2 (which he more often than not will have) confirms with corner carry. It's pretty obnoxious since often he has so much time to do stuff, that he can simply dash in to extend them.

>Raven sucks

Oh v never change

Find someone else who sucks and play them, that's the only way you'll have fun in multiplayer.

Post your best Ravens

>>Meanwhile Dizzy, who everyone thought will be up top, actually isn't.
How to spot a Sup Forums fag who thinks he knows shit about fighting games
And this is why you people will forever be laugh at.

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You can't possibly judge Dizzy yet, give people time to explore the character.

>Also raven should be nerfed to hell, probably the dumbest yet more effective char gg has ever had
This, what the fuck. I felt like he was at a good spot where he wasn't too good and not too terrible but they actually fucking buffed him and he's insufferable to play against now. Have a bad 6p and bad anti air options? Well fuck you good luck dealing with Raven who gets like max excitement level from taking like 4 hits in stance. :^)

The fact that his needle now wins with 6Ps is just silly

I wouldn't say that. She is very simple after all. She suffers the most from the fact that fish feels like it's -1 attack level and complete tension reliance while having third worst gain of it in game

Sin is definitely not tippy top. Having +2 removed from Elk Hunt and adding +10f on Beak Driver recovery has made Sin more or less fair without crippling his gameplan.

If anything, Faust, Zato and Millia are back on top, with Venom being a potential top tier just because of all his buffs


JT is starting to wreck shit with Kum at Mikado and the Raven army is real.

Oh shit people in mikado are playing with Kum? Nice

>turn up Jonio
>Fumo vs Karinchu

Only JT as far as I know. Check out Jonio's latest stream at Twitch.

Bout time. Kum seems pretty cool, yet nobody plays her for some reason. I guess Raven stole the show for most people.

Why would Venom be top tier now?

Raven is Terumilitary 2.0
Except this time fucker has overhead and oki while being that easy

Meter gain allows him for constant bishop runout setups

That's it? Those are mostly useful for guaranteed chip setups, normally you're better off going for his standard oki.

Trnsion gain buffs on almost all his shit.

6P being jump cancellable now allows for IAD corner carries.

Yes, but why does that make him top tier?

That's very true. At least I like Raven though so it's a lot easier to tolerate. Especially now since I know how to properly deal with him. Terumi on the other end despite being a lot shittier at his respective game, I hate just about everything about him. I hate his playstyle, I hate his character and I hate his design. Just looking at Terumi's face makes me mad. So if I have to choose, I'll take the Raven army over the Terumi Army any day.

I'm sad for being a Sol main, will he ever be close to high tier in this iteration?

Fairly significant buffs on an already solid character. Venom has great tools apart from a reversal. If that doesnt spell a potential rise in tier placings I dont know what is.

I hope this is bait

Sol is already pretty good. Sol will never ever be a bad character along with Faust.

What are you talking about, he's been high tier since Sign and still is

git gud, Raven isn't unga bunga Leo/Sol tier.

>Raven
>removely bad
Jesus christ

He's a solid character, but his damage is usually rather low and his neutral game is difficult. If anything, the biggest buff to him are the nerfs to the toppest tier characters.

Goddamn playing as May is so fucking underwhelming in this game.

I'll always stick with her but playing as her can be such an uphill battle sometimes. The balloon is so damn unpredictable that it's usually a coin toss on if it'll be threatening enough to the opponent or not. The recovery on the dolphin makes it only useful on knockdown or at fullscreen. Thank god on knockdown I can setplay them into oblivion but getting that knockdown is torture sometimes.

Sol has always been braindead retard easy, good health, good normals, good reach, good rushdown, good speed, good damage, good specials, and a super that makes him go turbofaggot mode to be even more OP and braindead than he already is now fuck off, he's literally Daisuke's self insert and has always been OP as hell.

He is in a way. All of his tools are fairly obvious and easy to use. 2H controls ground space really well and does decent damage with 236S. j.H is also a decent crossup and air to air because of its hitbox. Decent 6P (although 5H is the bettter AA), needle slowdown is pretty good, both for zoning and rushdown, and of course. His easy as fuck okizeme game where the only hard part is instantly dropping from glide. Command grabs adds another layer to his guessing game if not a good way to control space directly above and infront of him

If he still had his airglide tick throw, he'd be really good.

git gud

Haehyun actually is the best character out of the new comers.

Arc lied again in saying that she's easy to use. Well if you just want to do 5s>Hayabusa all game then yes. But if you actually want to do proper things with her, it takes time and effort, and actually looks cool when you do it.

Compared to Raven whose moveset looks stupid.

>Tiers

Majority of his damage come from the ridiculous chip damage charged ball has, his okizeme game is also pretty good, and his zoning is oppresive in the right hands. If they boosted his damage he would be ridiculous

>smash player

>waifus

I never said that they should buff his damage, he's fine as it is in that department really. I'm also not disagreeing with anything you said there except the part where you claim that the "majority of his damage" comes from chip. That's simply not true, if people are letting you get away with charging Stinger and QV so much that that's where you get most of your damage, you're simply not fighting decent players. And as I said before, Bishop Runout is best reserved for when the chip situation will lead to a kill.

It was, I'm glad you guys respect him. He's been my main forever and I'm still bad with him but I don't care, he's the best. What upsets me is the lack of represent he has aside from Mocchi and Roi

I hope they shoot the guy who thought having a 623K[4] notation was beginner friendly. Doing that shit is alright, but doing it 3x in a row is bullshit

How good is this game? I don't know if I should try picking it up.

It's actually not that hard. It's just hella weird at first.

It's ok

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Really good. Of course, it would help tremendously if you had a local scene, you'd appreciate the game more. Else, you better have good connection to asian lobbies, all the action is there.

French lobbies are also fairly populated, but US lobbies are a ghost town unless you ask the community for games

What do you guys think about Rammy, I love Sol but I really like Rammy. Being Unga bunga for years doesn't really help me.

Im a pad shitter, so Im fucked. The callouses started building up fast because of that notation

I don't know what you're talking about. He's one of the most popular characters.

Isn't Elphelt shit now?

Most US Xrd players have a clique that they can play with offline. It's a shame but that's the way it is.

Yikes that might be a problem.

No. Not in the slightest.

Zidane is pad player too iirc, he seems to be doing the loops fine

>US lobbies are a ghost town
If you go online at night there are always at least 2 lobbies full

Being popular in general doesn't mean good players use him much. Look at Evo for reference, nothing in top 8,not even close. That doesn't mean he's bad, it just mean barely any good player uses him, and the ones that do are mikado/jpn only.

Man, fuck that guy. I watched his vods with Biscuots and he's just on point with those kick loops goddamn

Unless you're Canadian. Like me

I hope Zidane can go to EVO next year. He's basically the only relevant Leo player out there.

The game has like over 20? characters now, so of course some won't show up in top 8. The only reason why Sol didn't show up in *this* year's evo was because Kazunoko switched to Raven too.

He dropped Leo I think. I dont know if hes serious about Kum or what. But he's also tired of hearing people say Leo does 80% of the work for him (to be fair he did start the unga meme)

Why does this matter to you, just check out those JP vids if you want to see some good action

I don't think Kazunoko would have gotten very far with Sol desu, he was kind of riding the lack of MU knowledge from other players (not to say that he didn't play well)

That's a bit sad. I did find it pretty funny how people called it a fluke that he beat FAB and Kazunoko because of him playing Leo when those are guys who play at the arcades virtually every day. Hoped he would keep riding that wave, but he'll probably get more proper recognition by people if he does well with Kum.

There are still ways to gimp a base skillset though.

I'll use BlazBlue for an example here. For example, what they did to Taokaka in BBCP1.1. They made it so her drive would not have any hitboxes at all until close, making it completely ineffective as an attack, and riskier as a movement option. And they pretty much cut her numbers across the board as well. That along with her 6C change in BBCP changed her neutral from really powerful to average. From BBCS to BBCP nobody thought she would be anything lower than high tier, now nobody plays her.

He beat FAB fair and square though. Its probably the lack of MU knowledge since Tomo's the only relevant Leo player in Mikado.

So what kind of character do you guys want to be added in the future? If you want an easy answer you can say an existing character, but I'm more interested in what you guys want that isn't a character that already exists playable in Guilty Gear.

I for one would love a mobile grappler kinda like Alex from Street Fighter. It's kinda a shame that Potemkin is the only real grappler in the game and you really have no other real option besides him. Alex to me was the only grappler I ever enjoyed playing so if the guys at Arcsystems end up making something like that I'd be excited as hell.

He did, but the complaints when he did were massive. Everyone was throwing around that he was just going unga and that it was pure luck. It was fun to watch people get that upset but I guess it actually got to him.

Just disappointed he has little represent over here user. Personally I'm very tired of Zito Faust Millia over here, it's aggravating.

I want Bridget because a friend mained him in +R, and just doesn't enjoy any of the current cast. Personally I already got Jam, but they made her not really as fun even after the buffs.

Just add ABA, so unique and fun character.
I guess I'd like to see what they would do with Izuna also

I watched Teresa play Jonio a couple of days ago, i entered another dimension of shenanigans whenever Teresa started tearing him and the rest of the arcade apart.

If anything, i enjoy Jam's Xrd iteration a lot more, especially with how YRC:s give her some insane potential.

Teresa was the only arcade goer Jam in Japan right now that uses the post patch Jam's buff.

She looks ridiculous when he uses her.

The problem was people were like, "what the fuck, Jam's so good now." When really, huge buffs were only 6k and ryuujin. Teresa wasn't even using them that much.

Thats because FAB is a crowd favorite and is entertaining to watch. I knew I was pretty mad when Zidane cucked him out of top 8, but in the end, he won fairly.

I really REALLY want Zappa to be in. Its the joy of studying and labbing him up that appeals to me apart from the RNG movelist.

>Bedman barely got scathed
>tfw still secret top tier

As much as I wanted Souji to make top 8 at Evo, I'm kinda glad he didn't

I don't care how much the west hates her. I want Baiken in.

If you're in a major city, chances are there's a decent Xrd scene

>secret top tier

People sleep on Bedman but he's so good. I'm surprised he got off with so little in the patch. I'm glad people don't say much about him.

6K helps her so much now, setting up decent frametraps and doing puffball pressure is much more lenient. (you don't need to be a literal READS god, to not get slapped in the face)

I don't get the mad hype for Ryuujin, although tehcnically it helps to avoid some stuff, but i prefer generally charging gekis, because you can get some sick nasty damage out of carded geki OTG, because 2H gives a free hochifu combo on most characters.

Some of her combos are still kind of a pain in the ass (character specific shit), but i never understood people saying she was weak. She's highly technical and a bit on the gimmicky side, but that's just a time issue. Giving people more time with her will definitely place her more fairly after winter.

He's definitely good but I don't think top tier.

I hope she never makes it in. Fuck Baiken.

West loves Baiken though. People who hate Baiken are the ones that fought against good ones since she's all about meterless alpha counters. Unsurprisingly, most people don't know that and I guarantee when Baiken is added everyone will go nuts until she's actually playable. Then most of those same people will bitch about how cheap she is to play against.

You can even look back at all the polls that have had any western vote involved when the character poll on who should be added was happening back in like September. All of them had Baiken winning, some pretty far ahead to the next leading vote. I even remember this one poll this guy was doing in Japan that whoever won got like a 100 votes to said character and she won that as well because people from the west could actually vote. So take comfort that she really is pretty much the next guaranteed character at this point

Fuck YOU.

Ryuujin technically gives her the "fuck your neutral" move. Although technically, you should really only be charging that imo if you're far away.

Now if you really near the person, then yes, I would agree with charged Geki definitely. Like Teresa was doing, people were having a hard time getting out of her pressure because he had his safe-jumps set up down pat.

>Some of her combos are still kind of a pain in the ass

Actually it's only her 46PK combos that are so fucking hard I don't even know why they want to make it that way. The rest of her combos are fine, she's so easy to freestyle with.

If there's 2 things that I want fixed for her now, is her 46PK stuff and her damn MAX dp. It's so useless.

Aside from all that, Jam right now for me is easily mid-high tier.

The closest one is like at least a 5 hour drive away from me and they only do it on Tuesday nights for 6 hours.