Why does Sup Forums love this franchise so much?

Why does Sup Forums love this franchise so much?

inb4 2 was shit
2 is shit btw

>consistently great games and even the disappointing ones are better than 99% of the other games out there
>MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3 are legitimately GOAT-tier games, especially MGS3
>Doesn't take itself too seriously yet it still has very impactful moments
>The only game to get "cinematic" shit right. It's cutscene heavy, sure, but the gameplay is still fundamentally solid, boss fights are excellent, level design is great and overall the gameplay can stand on its own merits

Pretty much these reasons. It's a great series and while MGSV disappointed it was still pretty great desu

Muh cinematic experience.

It's japanese

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You just can't comprehend the deepest lore. MGS2 is sublime artisan designer shit of such quality that no one realized it until they finished the game.
Kojima is truly the god among trolls, and a multi-million dollar game was his canvas.

Nostalgia googles would be my guess. I'm playing through them for the first time right now, on Guns of the Patriots now, and they're not terrible, but frankly speaking the gameplay is mostly terrible (only in MGS4 it gets better) and the plot is ridiculous, full of cheap twists and constant exposition.

Am I the only one that would consider 2 at least top 2 (with 3)?

its entertaining

because 4 is one of the greatest games of all time

it sbecuase that shit is cheesy as fuck
also MGS3 has great gameplay what the fuck are you on about

Because memes and Kojima fanboys running rampant.

No, that's pretty much my standing as well, 3 is simply God-tier.

Every game in the series has issues, but they're distinct and idiosyncratic. MG1-MGS2 (including Ghost Babel) all have fun, relatively fast-paced (especially in the case of MGS2) arcade-style stealth with unique themes for action games and memorable characters.

MGS3 is where the series started to lose me. The design emphasis shifted too heavily toward empowering the player for the sake of novelty and game balance plummeted as a result of bloat. I also don't think MGS3 has a very interesting narrative, ending aside. MGS4 had all of MGS3's problems (and then some) with few of its better qualities. Peace Walker and MGSV are similar, though specifics vary.

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MGS3 > MGSV > MGS2 > MGS1 > MGS4 > dog shit > MGSPW

>menu simulator
>great gameplay
Pick one.

>also MGS3 has great gameplay what the fuck are you on about
Fair enough, I was pleasantly surprised with MGS3's gameplay to tell you the truth, it added a lot of depth to it. Thought I was disappointed when I realized I could just run through the whole game without any penalty whatsoever.

Its so funny when people who says anime sucks love these games. The plot of whole series is the most anime thing on this planet but when its hidden well, its okay.

memes.

you dont have to actually go into menus that much in that game
camo changes dont help a whole lot and you only really need 3 maybe 4 camos

>especially MGS3

Shut the fuck up.

>MGSV higher than PW

>PW not objectively the worst game ever made

funny how in this scene Venom searched the battlefield thoroughly and saw the tank was still there and lured Quiet in to take the killing blow that doesn't kill her.

Because it doesn't give a fuck about appeasing you.

a lot of people are upset about that but honestly people like the game because of small details
which can really make or break a game
it had a lot of weird small things that added up in the end
on top of that everyone knows the story is stupid and bonkers but its filled with cheese and ham that doesnt play it off like a joke
it bad and stupid but entertaining
you dont get a lot of games like metal gear

MGSV is literally just Peace Walker minus all the good stuff. How is it better?

>literally just PW minus all the good stuff
>can't even move while prone in shitwalker

I think the gameplay got worse with MGS3 and MGS4.

How so?
I really like how I can actually crouch and move in that position in MGS4. I like the OctoCamo which removes the need to constantly change camos in the menus. I like the weapons customization. I like that I can pause the cutscenes. I can switch shoulders white aiming. I absolutely love the new controls, God the controls in the previous games were terrible.

It was made before 2000

>MGSV
>no co-op
>no boss fights
>no story
>no interesting characters
>no character development
>no unique Mother Base
>no Kill House
>no customizable Metal Gear
>boring ass weapons to develop
>cant capture helicopters
>no photograph missions
>no ghost missions
>no pooyan missions

>PW is still somehow worse only because you cant crawl

I have almost the same list, but replace MGS3 with MGSV.

PWfags are the worst. Your game was complete trash due to it being handheld shit and coming with all the problems of that medium.

>tiny levels that don't even offer good level design like prior MGS games
>dogshit gunplay

It was just shit, MGSV is better in everyway and LOL at you talking shit about boss fights in defense of PW.

More options don't always mean better game design. In fact, it's often the case where the opposite is true. It's nice that MGS4 streamlined MGS3's bullshit, but I think the introduction of the camo system was a bad choice anyway, since it reduced MGS3 to crawling around with impunity, gathering headshots as you go thanks to the more open environments. CQC similarly made the player nearly invincible in close quarters since the guards are somehow incapable of defending themselves against the unstoppable martial art of Jujitsu Knife-Gun.

MGS4 in particular expanded the viability of shooting your way through your mistakes (to the point that getting caught barely even qualified as a mistake) thanks to the way the controls worked and the Drebin system.

MGS3 and MGS4 gave the player more options, but I think they also murdered the pacing and tension.
>God the controls in the previous games were terrible.
I've really never had an issue at all with them. Do you only play one or two genres or something? I didn't think the series had a control scheme that was particularly hard to adapt to, and I played them for the first time in 2008.

Goddamn youre mad. Don't be so upset just because you have nothing to argue against PW being better than MGSV.

>nothing to argue against

The fact that it controls better, offers better gameplay, more tools/options, dynamically shifting AI that evolve on environmental changes (night/day, sandstorms, rain etc), buddy system, vehicular combat and ridiculous amounts of gun customization.

Peace Walker was a Monster Hunter game + MGS skin.

Being "handheld shit" isn't why Peace Walker is bad. The mission structure isn't why Peace Walker is bad. The enemies being totally inept is what makes Peace Walker bad. Peace Walker's guards are simply too dumb to make sneaking compelling. The level design would have been more than fine (great, in the case of some areas like the underground base) if the enemies were closer to that of MGS2 or MGS3, but as it stands sneaking is a bore. But that's not the fault of the PSP.

Ghost Babel is also "handheld" shit, but it's one of my favorite games in the series.

tfw you come to the realisation that MGS2 had the best stealth because the maps were not yet open enough to allow much tranquillising from a distance, it was the most pure MGS stealth experience.

MGS3 is superior in one aspect, that moving makes noise, and therefore slow moving is necessary. Shame it was underutilised. 3 is a better roleplay experience and probably has the best bosses of the series (that or 1).

I think it will be either 1, 2 or 3 that goes down as the definitive experience. Or why not as a trilogy. By 3 you have the game trying to open up into new genres.

Movement making noise has been an element since Metal Gear 2 (there are quite a few metal grates, the imported squeaking sand, the wood floors in the residental area). The issue is that Metal Gear Solid de-emphasized it because it was barely about stealth at all, and Metal Gear Solid 2 kind of did away with it entirely in favor of more fast-paced sneaking.

The bit with the sand and the trucks in Metal Gear 2 and the timing it requires is more thoughtful and demanding than merely walking slowly behind a guard in MGS3.

But is MGS2 better than MG1 and 2?

Depends on what your preferences prioritize.

Metal Gear 2, Ghost Babel, and Metal Gear Solid 2 are my three favorite games in the series, if that tells you anything. Metal Gear 2 is certainly more varied in ways that directly relate to stealth.

Because it's redditcore shit and this place has terminal cancer.

>redditcore
Deep thoughts.