Now that they've pretty much made the same game five times in the span of seven years...

Now that they've pretty much made the same game five times in the span of seven years, can we all agree that the "soulsborne" genre isnt very good and incredibly overrated?

They're not challenging, the atmosphere is all the same boring doom and gloom, the barely existent plot is prone to pretentious faggots over analyzing everything like their faggot english teacher told them to do.

Their biggest achievement is not holding your hand, which is not an accomplishment, but rather a testament to the current state of the industry. That something like "soulsborne" get praised for it is a sad state.

I have similar feelings.

I disagree.

The Dark Souls games are the quintessential ARPG. They have the perfect balance of fun gameplay mechanics and interesting character building.

They're fun to play. That's what makes them great.

Everything is fun to play for someone.

I guess they're okay if you like sluggish, brain-dead combat and you've never played a game before gen 7.

The gameplay gets stale with each game. Even BB felt samey because despite counters not being resource based and a bit faster combat, the overall gameplay wasnt altered enough to feel fresh.

OP here, I'm a Final Fantasy player, and I need NPCs and quest markers to tell me where to go, and how to defeat enemies! Better yet, I need a combat system that doesn't require learning my enemy's abilities, weaknesses, or tactics. I mean, being a gigantic faggot is what I know best, and what better way to play a game than have everything handed to me like a big mexican tossed salad? I prefer QTEs to actual gameplay and forethought.

I thought The Witcher was the rival series to Soulsborne games though?

Oh, right.
Sometimes I forget certain anons in Sup Forums are the ultimate authority in fun.

Why would you ever think that?

The games are absolutely nothing alike.

>the barely existent plot is prone to pretentious faggots over analyzing everything like their faggot english teacher told them to do.

Haters of Souls and Bloodborne's storytelling confirmed as illiterates.

Has there ever been a series more effective at blocking the unskilled, the lame, the dumb and the blind from enjoyment?

DeS was a unique idea with so-so execution
DaS struck gold with good combat, good enemy design, and phenomenal world design
DaS2 was the bastard offspring of it's predecessor, brought a few new things to the table, had the best pvp, but fucked up the single-player experience
Bloodborne striped DaS down to a more streamlined, but more repetitive game.
DaS3 tried to hybridize Bloodborne with DaS, but it's homogeneity doomed it to being a bland parody of the two.

DaS and Bloodborne are and will hold up as good games over time. I think the fanbase spoiled the broth to an extent, but we should at least recognize the merits that are there. Hopefully the formula dies with 3.

>soulsfags actually think their game isn't piss-easy to navigate
>soulsfags actually think they're special for taking five seconds to watch an enemy move
>soulsfags actually think their game takes skill
>soulsfags actually think their game requires forethought

But the fanbases love to fling shit at each other whenever they can.

What storytelling
>time is convulted lmao
>maybe this happened maybe not lol who knows!?
>everyone was full of despair and bad things happened!
>ancient aliens did i!

???

*tips*

There are 8-bit games from the 80's that were designed for children that are far more demanding than Souls games.

If being fun is what makes a game great than any game ever considered fun by anyone can be considered great. Don't blame Sup Forums for your shit logic.

You're not wrong.

I hope they take some time to work on whatever it is they are doing. Sure crank out some DS3 DLC but after that take a few years to get something great made.

>but after that take a few years to get something great made
Like another Souls clone?

I disagree with you on everything except
>the barely existent plot is prone to pretentious faggots over analyzing everything like their faggot english teacher told them to do

Which is very true, but the alternative is that fromsoft might actually try and make a coherent story and it will end up being cheesy or shitty. The annoying lorefags can always be ignored.

>dude reducing the story to greentext haha yeah

lol Ulysses is just one day in Dublin lol what story

Nope, soulsborne is good except for 2. Problem is it's very prone to burnout ironically enough. I'm not even really sure where they can go from here, really.

>Their biggest achievement is not holding your hand, which is not an accomplishment, but rather a testament to the current state of the industry. That something like "soulsborne" get praised for it is a sad state.
I don't give a shit about the series either way but this kills me desu.

Ulysses isnt a good book desu.

As a series yes, it's overrated, but whatever Soulsborne game you play first will be an amazing experience of fun and frustration. The second game you play will be enjoyable, not as much as the first, but still a fun ride.

But let's be honest, the 3rd game you play will probably leave you bored.

Yeah, that's exactly it.

I really wanted to like dark souls 3 but thats what happened to me

>people making completely logical inferences from the item descriptions is annoying

Most of what I see in Souls discussion isn't far out shit like trying to prove by algebra that Hamlet is secretly a girl or that the ghost is really Shakespeare himself.

Why does it bother you? Because you are either too feeble or uninvested to engage meaningfully and the enthusiasm you see provokes a sour-grapes response.

The story is perfectly coherent, in fact they're all quite simple. The way it's delivered just gives it a wholly unique texture. You just have a low tolerance for mystery because it makes your brain hurt.

Demon's Souls tested the waters and did a pretty good job. Then they expanded and honed the formula with Dark Souls 1, even if it was imperfect in many ways it was probably the best overall package. All subsequent souls games felt like attempts to recapture the magic with varying degrees of success, but they all felt a bit soulless

What the fuck would you know about books?

but hamlet isnt a girl and macbeth isn;t making some meta commentary about being an actor on a stage you double faggot.

Still not bored, started all the way back with DeS, they don't come out frequently enough to get bored. I don't pvp anymore tho, that part got boring after dark souls.

I've read some great classics in my time, in paticular The Great Gatsby, and I know enough to not bother visiting /lit/.

It doesn't bother me you retard, did you even read my post?

Nah, I'd name souls as one of the top modern gaming experiences, but there never should have been dark souls sequels. Just having a trilogy of DeS, Das, and BB would have been perfect.

Also, you may think that the games are shit because playing one basically spoils the rest of the series for you

I'm perfectly fine with the gameplay as it is, Bloodborne was a step down imo. They could just create a whole new game by making another map for the first Dark Souls, I'd still be pleased. I like what I like. More innovation is of course good, but let's not change what Souls is. Strike up another IP FROM.

>blablablablabla

Pretty much this. I couldn't bring myself to enjoy DaS3 if I was paid money to play it.

Did I ever say either of those things were true? No, I implied the contrary. That such over analysis is ridiculous and that the discussion of Dark Souls' and Bloodborne's lore tends NOT to veer in that direction.

It's like someone ripped all the pages out of a book and scattered them. When assembled, it's perfectly coherent. This assembly of the story seems to be by and large the object of discussing the story.

I played them in this order;
DeS -> DaS -> DaS II -> Bloodborne -> DaS III
and I enjoyed all of them. Only time I got bored was maybe mid-way Dark Souls II or a bit of Bloodborne, but overall I enjoyed each one. Dark Souls III was fun, if not linear as fuck.

DeS is good.
DaS is still great.
DaS2 was okay with SotFS - crazy amount of content.
BB was great despite its flaws.
DaS3 is fucking awful. Leonhard is cool though.

So you passed 10th grade English, congratulations sir. I hold your literary opinion in high esteem.

Like Dark Souls, you probably never invested yourself in reading something like Ulysses. Not to exaggerate and compare the two but still.

I played them all up from release, and ran through Das and Das2 a handful of times each. But as it stands, I'm 2 months into DaS3 and I don't see myself getting past Lothric Castle, all due to lack of trying.

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You called "lorefags" annoying. Verbatim. You called them annoying. They annoy you, it bothers you.

¿Habla usted Inglés? Sprichst du Englisch? Parlez-vous Anglais?

I won't say they are shit. Last time I feel that amazed by a game was in 1998 playing Ocarina of Time. Dark Souls is still the best one for me (didn't played the third) The way the areas connects with each other making everything feels alive amazed me. Despite the graphics not being a wow show they have a singular charm. You don't see nothing out of place like something very very detailed next to some shit textures or clipping stuff.

>A 20 word post is too wordy, blablablablabla

hurrhurrhurrhurrdurr

No, I was referring to "annoying lorefags", not regular lorefags. The ones that over analyse things and make mental gymnastics.

>DaS3 was bad

When will this meme die?

Lords of the Fallen was a better Souls game.

SMT4 was a better Souls game

Salt and Sanctuary was a better Souls game

>The Dark Souls of Persona

>I'm mad because I don't own a Sony PlayStation product and can't play all of them
>I'm mad because I died a lot playing these games
>I'm mad because I couldn't figure out where to go and got frustrated
>I'm mad because other people are better at these games than me
>I'm mad because I can't win with QTEs

Pick any one of the above, I suppose?

I haven't played BB, and only played DeS last (after the trilogy in order) like a retard, I felt the same as you, though DaS2 was dragging on a bit long after a while but I enjoyed DaS3 a lot, mostly for it's consitently good level design and bosses. DeS has got to be my favourite along side DaS though.

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>though DaS2
thought*

"No."

None of those apply to me though. Cute projecting though.

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Whatever you say famalam.

>I guess you could always just suffer from cripplingly shit taste.

I'm 100% sure my taste is better than yours. Post your top five in no particular order.

>Timesplitters 2
>Timesplitters FP
>Ninja Gaiden Black
>Link's Awakening
>Hotline Miami

Ninja Gaiden Black is the only serious game you listed.

None of those games are on par with Souls.

I said post your top five faggot. And Robot Factory or Neo Tokyo on Hard would make any soulsborne player cry about "artificial dificulty"

Holy shit, what a terrible top 5. True keks.

>Timesplitters 2
All the others are meh but that's a great game

Seeing this I can understand why you feel the way you do about the Souls series, especially regarding its plot and lore. You're still wrong though.

>especially the plot and lore

What about it? Its simple shit told through uncovnentional ways that gets everyones knickers in a knot because they're so used to cutscenes or walls of text. Theres nothing special about it, though.

>tfw no grand lance in ds3

I hope they bring my weaponfu back as dlc

>Ninja Gainden BLACK
>Link's Awakening not LttP
>Timesplitters FP

Jesus could you get more shit taste??

Black is best 3D NG, Link's Awakening is best top down Zelda, and FP is more linear and had weaker multiplayer league but brought more character to Cortez and the rest of the cast, had online, better map maker, and excelled at areas 2 didnt that overall make it just as good.

>He couldn't understand the Dark Souls lore.

Wow, user. Just read the wiki if you really can't be assed to find all the items.

You probably think Inception is deep.

We've already established your taste is shit.

It gets everyone's knickers in a twist because the game doesn't shove shit in your face, save for the intro, but what actually is there is intricate character stories, details about the kingdom, details about the main story that reveal new perspectives. All of this is in keeping with the game's theme of the end of an age, which is universal to every human being. It appeals twofold, as you are actively killing the beings from the world and learning about them as you go should you choose to. It's compelling stuff. I don't see what you don't get.

Where did I say I didnt understand it? I said it was simple to understand but told through unconventional means meaning the average layman thinks its deep.

I disagree, I think as a genre they need to innovate on the formula more between games, but all in all soulsbourne is the best thing to happen to ARPG's in decades.

Actually interesting gameplay. Somehow this is something every other ARPG can't manage, and while it would be nice to see some of the formula shaken up, I can see why they're scared to considering they hit the only good formula seen to arpg's so far.

>But muh tales of series
Those are just instances fighting games.
>but muh boring as shit elder scrolls game
Literally the worst
>but muh

Deep I dunno. Really compelling and well done? Yes. Especially in the first game. I stated my reasons already.

>They're not challenging
They were when you first played them.
>the atmosphere is all the same boring doom and gloom
Yeah.
> the barely existent plot is prone to pretentious faggots over analyzing everything like their faggot english teacher told them to do.
God forbid lore and story being hidden within a game.
>Their biggest achievement is not holding your hand, which is not an accomplishment, but rather a testament to the current state of the industry. That something like "soulsborne" get praised for it is a sad state.
Let me break it to you real. Dark Souls got lucky, VERY lucky. It was quite literally one of the few games that was actually GOOD in the year that it came out. If there were much better games coming out in that year, Dark Souls would've gotten swept under the rug like Demon Souls and become a cult classic that much people refer to as demon souls. As for your statement on the current state of the industry. It's shit. Wait for some kind of crash.

>That something like "soulsborne" get praised for it is a sad state.
Seriously, this. Exactly this.
10 years, there was 50 soulsborne games a year and no one fucking batted an eye. They were called, "mid-to-low-tier-PS2-games".

Now an average game finally comes out for the first time since 2005 and all you stupid fucks cream yourselves? I've literally been playing these games my entire life, dragons magic, dark shit, dungeons, monsters, etc. neverwinter nights, baldurs gate, morrowind, etc. etc. You guys act like this shit is in any way new or good. It's completely old school rip off, yet modern day schlock. It's not even well made, mechanically or artistically, even graphically. Just fucking stop the shilling, please. And the hype, jesus christ. I was expecting something better than Dark Alliance 2 on the ps2 but nope, I don't think an rpg will ever replace that as one of the best all time rpgs for me.

Different poster, but maybe that's because those games are legit garbage artificial difficulty and you actually do just have shit taste.

>Where did I say I didn't understand it
>Thinks Its simple shit
You gave yourself away, user

Anime poster, stop posting anime. You're tarnishing even the poor weebs reputation at this point and they thought they were already at rock bottom.

>They were called, "mid-to-low-tier-PS2-games".

If you do not understand the difference between these games and one of those shovelware titles I do not know what to tell you. Think outside the box real hard.

>Dark Souls would've gotten swept under the rug like Demon Souls and become a cult classic that much people refer to as demon souls

?

>10 years ago this game would've been relevant guys!!!

It's all about place and time that made Dark Souls actually successful. No one is going to say
>but this game from 10 years ago is better
Because that's not true because hardly anything out of the PS2 era aged well.

git gud

Demon Souls always had a small fanbase. The same shit would've applied to Dark Souls if it wasn't popular
Shit, even BB feels like it has the same treatment as DeS. It was relevant for about a year and then suddenly a blackout in any kind of news but it still has activity somewhere.

>They're not challenging,

This is outright a lie. Enough players have played this game to know that it is challenging. If more than a majority of gamers (not just random people off the street) can play this game and say it is difficult, to claim that the Souls series is easy is factually wrong.

>the atmosphere is all the same boring doom and gloom

Same as what? The atmosphere is definitely based off of traditional western RPG's, but the lore told through environment and item queues is what makes it different and popular.

> the barely existent plot is prone to pretentious faggots over analyzing everything like their faggot english teacher told them to do.

This is so wrong I can't believe you are such a faggot. People like you that don't like analyzing things don't need to read the descriptions or pay attention, that's the point. Smash things then go home. Neanderthal.

>Their biggest achievement is not holding your hand, which is not an accomplishment, but rather a testament to the current state of the industry. That something like "soulsborne" get praised for it is a sad state.

The only thing I mildly agree with.

Great response to a post that's not even a line long

>Ulysses bad
>The Great Gatsby is much better
Holy shit Sup Forums is retarded today

I legitimately enjoy the gameplay of soulsborne and I hope there will be many more to come in the future.

>The same shit would've applied to Dark Souls if it wasn't popular

I don't understand why you said this. "Dark Souls would've been obscure too if it wasn't."

Bloodborne is only on the PS4, so immediately you've got a large percentage of players who will not play it. However I'd bet my left nut that the Bloodborne community is bigger than the DeS ever was at its peak.

They're certainly overrated...but they're still good too. They definitely made too many of them without changing enough between them and all of them are rushed and suffer for it. With a more competent dev team this could easily have been one of the best game series

dark souls series is by no means perfect, but it is a welcome exploration of the defensive/patience side of action gaming, which is a breath of fresh air from all the other generic third person action game mashers

bloodborne a little less so, since it rewards offense so heavily, but it does have more "risk vs reward" than the average generic genre entry

>I don't understand why you said this. "Dark Souls would've been obscure too if it wasn't."

I'm literally saying that in a scenario where 2011 actually had good games coming out then Dark Souls wouldn't be anything special. Everything that came out in 2011-2012 wasn't worth giving news to because it'd just be regular promoting. Dark Souls was a special occasion because it actually got people playing it longer than a couple months.

user's clearly a shitposting butt hurt pol/.
>Kiki's Delivery Service
>Has no taste

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good games but we've had enough for now