The final boss is you but stronger

>the final boss is you but stronger
>it all comes down to skill

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>it all comes down to using the super effective move and praying it doesn't kill you first

>Crouch in corner and mash B

>it all comes down to mashing a to win because Gym Leader and E4 pokemon have 0 EVs across the board

Outskilled

>It all comes down to RNG

Actually Cynthia has perfect iv's

Of course she does that fucking slut.

I wonder how Gen 7's champion will be like.

>the only trauner bothered to get good ivs was also the champion
Lel

In game trainers never have e.vs or stat.exp so them being a higher level doesn't mean they're stronger.

If it's about skill, shouldn't you two be equally matched? That's why I liked the final battle between Asuka and Homura in Shinovi Versus, it really seemed like it could go either way

Joey's ratatata also legitimately has perfect IVs in HG and SS.

It was a neat little detail.

Yeah, OP is boned.

I think only its attack and speed were perfect.

>Emulating Pokemon on phone
Fucking normie.

>Trainer has the same overpowered Pokémon as you do
>this somehow makes Cynthia the player
>emulating on a phone

All trainers pokemon had perfect ivs iirc.

Welcome to competitive battling. The is the "deep" and "skillful" gameplay pokemon offers. Far more complex than any other turn based rpg.

Well, are there any other turn based RPGs that are competitive? I can't really think of any off the top of my head except for SRPGs but they're not really the same thing.

Not him but the DS emulator on mobile is actually fucking great.

All pokemon has is a community. That doesn't make the gameplay complex at it's core.

The first thing they need to do is remove call forms of randomness in the form of accuracy and crits. Second they need some form of momentum that punishes poor decisions and rewards good ones. And third, they need make the animations faster.

Asking this from gamefreak, is like asking Nintendo for a 3D console metroid game now.

>All pokemon has is a community.
Holy fuck this a thousand times. This is the only reason Competitive Pokemon is a thing.

That's the only reason competitive ANYTHING is a thing.

For anything to be "competitive" it needs to have people that are willing to actually play the shit in the first place. This applies to everything, not just Pokemon. Welcome to socialization.

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And I assume this implies there aren't any competitive RPGs then.

What do you mean by "call forms of randomness"? Are you saying remove accuracy and crits to keep things more consistent? Or is this more like "Stop people from boosting their stats way up and then critical hitting everything?" or something?

The momentum thing seems like it might lead to snowballing.

For me, the problem with competitive Pokemon is how easily you can break the game with set ups like FEAR and shit. The only way around that has been to liberally ban things left and right, but it really shouldn't be that way.

Maybe the best thing to do is use the Pokemon Stadium system? You "rent" Pokemon and they already have moves and stats and stuff. Might be easier to balance it that way?

Well, did you win faggot?

Yes

Good.

I was cheering for you the whole time, son.

keep things more consistent is what I meant.

I agree about the snowballing tho. The analogy is starting combos in a fighting game. The goal is to just make it faster without creating a powercreep. It should reward decision making not raw stats.

I like your idea tho, but it defeats the point of customizations

Pics or it didn't happen.

>Use a move that has a chance of missing over safer options
>Get mad when it doesn't work out sometimes.
Wew

That said Dragon Rush is shit because it lacks the safety of Dragon Claw and the sheer stopping power of Outrage so it ends up being worse than both.

When you choose moves you can go the safe, less rewarding route or you can opt for higher risk/reward. It's basically choosing between Surf vs Hydro Pump and so on. Pokemon more than anything is a game of choices.

FEAR isn't even good, it's just a one-note gimmick.

>turn based rock-paper-scissors
>skill

>Gen 7's final boss will somehow manage to be even more of a joke than Diantha.

I don't like how the meta of Pokemon involves switching in and out. It just doesn't seem like what an actual Pokemon should be.

>TFW Diantha was actually hard for me because of my jank team makeup and 4 of them being both slower and weaker than Hawlucha.

This is why Stealth Rock, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and the very concept of wallbreakers and Choice Band/Specs exist.

You'd prefer it to just be a statbash?
The mind games of prediction and bluffing are what make pokemon such a deep and interesting system.

Stealth Rock was a mistake. I'm okay with Spikes and Toxic Spikes though.

Stealth Rocks are fine. There needed to be something to punish flying-types and levitators.

Well, maybe each Pokemon has different loadouts you can choose from? Or maybe there are a list of moves and items you can slot in.

It's still annoying running across someone doing something like "All lv1 Arons with shell bells and the sturdy ability, all using quick attack and Endeavor" or even "All Machamps of different genders, using Dynamic Punch for guaranteed confusion, Attract and Body Slams for 30% chance to paralyze." If you land all three the chances of you ever being attacked drop dramatically, since the other person basically has to flip a coin three times just to do anything.

>You'd prefer it to just be a statbash?
Didn't say that. I just like how in the anime and manga characters use their Pokemon in clever unique ways and fights aren't completely one-sided.
>The mind games of prediction and bluffing are what make pokemon such a deep and interesting system.
I don't know it just feels like playing a game of chicken.

Does it have to punish fire types though? I mean really now.

No it wasn't. Stealth Rock was one of the best things to happen to Pokemon because it actually gives pause to fliers and levitators and provided enough water from Charizard-fag tears to supply Africa for the next 50 years.

It's annoying but the difference between Aron or FEAR and Machamp is that the latter doesn't cost you a team slot. Machamp wasn't some gimmick Pokemon and it was actually one of the most threatening leads in Gen 4 because it actually was a considerable offensive threat outside of screwing someone with Confusion.

I'll bite
WHY did they need to punish flying types

Also stealth rock has no addition effect against levitators.

Is it because people switching into earthquake for free was too broken?

What about bug/ice/fire types
Keeping in mind that in terms of defensive typing bug and ice are very poor. They don't have a lot of safe switch ins.

Wait Ice is weak to Rock as well? Holy shit what an awful type.

>it all comes down to exploiting the bad AI

Fixed that for you

t. smogonfag
spikes should have been stealth rock, and neutral damage

Pokemon AI makes me so angry
Has anyone made romhacks that are just identical to the original but with nigh-perfect enemy AI?

>smogonfag
Funny you say that, because nobody runs rocks in VGC. It's too fast to waste a turn like that.

Weak to rock, fire, fighting, steel and only resists itself

And yet gamefreak continues to give us defensive ice types.

>spam dragon claw and hope you dodge

Ice has no resistances to anything but itself, but it's a great offensive type. STAB Ice Beam or Blizzard with Thunderbolt has nearly perfect coverage.

Yeah Stealth Rock is more vital to 6v6 singles than it is 4v4 Doubles. That said I wish Game Freak didn't just give 6v6 the finger because I prefer that style of battle to doubles.

At least Ice/Steel could be an alright defensive typing.

>Machop used Karate Chop!

>4x fighting weakness

Its cute that you think that

>doesn't even play a meta with rocks
>vgcfag
even worse
opinion discarded

Yet all it achieved was to make most fire and bug types and all ice types useless.
If it would at least do the additional damage to leviators it would be better, but of course nothing can be allowed to hurt Gengar.

>playing XY
>one of the more recent games
>literally no excuses
>AI just repeatedly buffs themselves or does moves that have no effect

Fire is fine as it is.
But GF shitting on Bug and Ice has got to stop.

Which emulator is this? Been looking for a good one

>final boss of second game
>protag of first game and second game defeat them together

>Yet all it achieved was to make most fire and bug types and all ice types useless.
A common misconception is that Stealth Rock made these types useless when in reality most of the pokemon that occupy these types suck on their own. The exceptional pokemon see play in spite of Stealth Rock.

Game Freak has lifted the "Bug is not allowed to be good" rule. It's just Ice that's shit now really.

>garchomp is le shit bcuz it dies to haze xDD

I recently played Omega Ruby and Maxie's big climactic fight made me fucking angry. He had his last Pokemon out, and Mega Evolved his Camerupt, which hits like a train, so if he could kill off my Gyarados with Rock Slide he might've been a threat since at that point I had no other water moves.

He used Yawn.

I one-shotted him with Surf

At least Steven had a Skarmory to be a wall and lead setup with Spikes.

Would stealth icicles or any other variation of stealth rock benefit pokemon?

I don't know, Bug definitely isn't in Ice's situation, but making Fairy resist Bug is irritating.

>Has 4x weakness to fucking Fighting and Fire, two of the most common offensive types

A bit, but they have been really doing well with bugs still. Gen 5 especially was generous to bugs and I have a good feeling about Vic Viper.

No

We can't forget that Pokemon is largely sold to children, after all. Can't make the game too hard for them, but I don't see why there can't be something that has more intelligent AI in post game content.

Yeah but pokemon like garchomp and ferrothorn have amazing stats/move pools. If this pokemon has 2 x4 weaknesses that are super common offensive types it will need some amazing stat distribution, and gf almost always shafts ice types.

>ferrothorn is still used
>heatran is still used despite EQ being even more common than both fire and fighting combined
>heracross is still used despite bravest bird, who is also 4x weak to a common coverage move
>weavile
>tyranitar
>scizor
>magnezone
>garchomp
>lando
>gliscor
>dragonite
>diancie
>breloom
>bisharp
Should I go into other tiers?

Literally every ice type is either
-a fragile speedster
-a semi-bulky slow attacker

Thinking of replaying Pokemon Platinum. How is this team?

Torterra
Togekiss
Mismagius
Golduck
Houndoom
Gallade

Thoughts?

Where are we at with 3DS emulation? I'll never spend money on nu-fire emblem, but for the sake of completeness, I'd like to beat all of them.

3DS titles are the only ones I haven't.

what emulator is that?

But you literally just described how the games work. Pokemon always has, at the very least, a postgame battling facility that will rip you a new asshole unless you go balls to the walls.

That's because Heatran can just slap on an Air Balloon.
I'm hoping someday they give Magcargo another forme that's Fire/Steel. Being a discount Heatran is the best they could do for it.

Why golduck
Also why even play an older game, theres no real reason to play PvE

Personally I'd use a better Water type than Golduck since its stats are mediocre but the rest looks great to me

It's a ways off. If you care that much, just get a cheap 2DS and install a CFW.

>torterra
doesn't matter you have top taste from the start
empoleon is better though

You can't catch Misdreavus in Platinum, user.

But really, any team works in-game in Pokemon. Nuzlockes, Wonderlockes, Monotype, Scramble, and Solo runs exist because of that fact.

>That's because Heatran can just slap on an Air Balloon.
That's not true at all. Heatran is good because it's...good. I'm not very eloquent right now but the point is that Heatran is probably the best Fire type ever made that isn't Ho-oh or Reshiram.

What about becoming a Fire/Ground type with a Heatproof-style ability that halves damage from water attacks? Give it Shell Smash or something and it could be cool

>Why golduck
I don't even know actually. I do kinda like him but I can't deny he's a fairly mediocre Pokemon. I would have say Quagsire or Gyarados instead but my team covers ground and flying respectively. Any recommendations? Maybe Floatzel but I don't like using the same mon as my rival 'cause I'm autistic like that but maybe I'll make an exception.
>Also why even play an older game, theres no real reason to play PvE
I like the single player aspect.
Oh fuck really? Damn. I either need to find my old missing copy of Diamond or just go with Frosslass instead.

Froslass is also a top-tier choice, good luck finding a Dawn stone tho

this OP
all the emulators I've tried on the Play store look like complete trash with button overlays looking like a 12 year old did it.

Golduck is fine, user. Otherwise, you'll be stuck with just Turtwig for a while.

As for Ghost-types, they all have some sort of issue.
>Froslass comes super late
>Dusknoir and Gengar require trade
>Drifloon can only be caught on Friday
>Rotom can't get its Appliance forms unless you still have the code from when you got Platinum

So pick your poison, I guess.

You can get Gengar by having a GBA game inserted.

So uh...

Should I buy ORAS?

>Otherwise, you'll be stuck with just Turtwig for a while.
Psyduck comes fairly early though, doesn't it? Also just found my Diamond copy and I have a save including a Mismagius which I can easily transfer over my game to breed. Cool. I just need to get some moves down but I can figure that stuff out in-game. Finally what gender should I pick? 5 decides.

Obviously referring to trainer of course.

Play Perfect Platinum instead.
>All 493 Pokemon can be caught in the wild.
>Trade Evos evolve by level up.
>Increased difficulty. Competitive bullshit teams for later gyms and E4 in addition to higher levels.

I did a nuzlocke of it back in December with:
Blastoise
Togekiss
Salamence
Electrivire
Scizor
Arcanine

just play emerald instead
despite not including all the new pokemon, features, quality of life improvements, etc, emerald is still a much better game

....

Dragon Quest is shit and gay.

Why did you link this?
I agree but Dragon Quest Monsters is pretty based though.