What's the worst case of DINDU NUFFIN in the vidya?

What's the worst case of DINDU NUFFIN in the vidya?

I think Sargeras is worse if only because that poor bastard has been retconned like twice now and his new Legion lore is even more silly comparatively.

Then you have the entire orc race being retconned into dindus because of "muh demon blood corruption"

The Naaru blaming you for killing Illidan the Chosen One in Legion is pretty fucking silly too considering they are the ones who sent you to BT in the first place.

Goddamnit Metzen just please stop writing.

>Sargeras
Please explain. I quit WoW in Vanilla. As far I remember, Sargeras is a Titan who went bad and goes around destroying worlds with his army the burning legion.

That's still what he does, they only changed his motivation for doing it. There's these apparently super powerful entities called the void lords locked in another phase of reality and sargeras believes that it's better to end all life than to see what would happen if they managed to break out and reach their universe. Old gods are also connected to these void lords.

>There's these apparently super powerful entities called the void lords locked in another phase of reality and sargeras believes that it's better to end all life than to see what would happen if they managed to break out and reach their universe.
That's not DINDU NUFFIN, that's just stupid

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Well, its been a long time but I'll try to summarize. If any other anons have better information or can correct me then feel free to contribute. All of this is based on memory.

First version of Sargeras is a powerful Titan who travels the cosmos while dealing with a bunch of bullshit and races on other planets. Eventually he becomes completely jaded towards life/existence after encountering the Nethrazim and the Eredar and other races, which leads to his corruption and his eventual desire to just wipe out everything and try to restart the universe without all this horrible shit.

Then BC happens and now it turns out that Sargeras wasn't exactly corrupted, he was always a cunt. Instead of being corrupted by the Eredar/Nethrazim, he is turned into a bigger cunt by the Nethrazim and then Sargeras himself goes and corrupts the newly established Draenei race on the planet Argus into the Eredar. Before this retcon, the Draenei and Eredar were completely separate races. This also makes it so the Draenei aren't even native to Draenor anymore. Instead of being fucking hideous but peaceful natives of Draenor that are almost extinct due to orcs (as established in TFT), the Draenei are now blue tentacle face space goats from a completely separate planet. The previous depictions of Draenei in TFT are retonned into corrupted but not full on Eredar versions of the Draenei.

And with the most recent changes to WC lore with the new expansion, it turns out that Sargeras is not entirely a bad guy. He intends to wipe out Azeroth because the planet is like an egg for a Titan soul, which will eventually develop into probably the most powerful Titan in all existence. However, there is a new big bad out there, a cosmic horror called the Void Gods that are trying to corrupt this developing Titan so that they can manifest into the present dimension in order to fuck shit up. So Sargeras wants to destroy Azeroth in order to prevent this.

I looked up the void lords and it said souls of the dead are tortured by em (like Arthas or Sylvannas when she suicided from icecrown). Wouldn't Sargeras killing everything just push them along?

But I guess that'd play into the void stuff's master plan.

Blizzard seems to have a hard on for lovecraftian stuff now

>So Sargeras wants to destroy Azeroth in order to prevent this.
Sargeras wants to destroy all universe to prevent this, not ust Azeroth
Ho remaking o other garbage
For him lifeless univere>void controlled shithole
Thats pretty bad

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Has everything Metzen has touched turned to shit?

I cannot comprehend how he can possibly fuck anything up like he did SC2 and the whole Kerrigan becoming a psychic super saiyan space god shit in order to kill the new big bad cosmic horror from nowhere. And then Kerrigan is returned to a fully human form and Jimmy instantly forgives her and takes her back.

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>DINDU NUFFIN

The "metzening" started in WC III when they ran out of material to rip-off from the Warhammer franchise.

Sargeras, Illidan, Sylvanas, Thrall, Garrosh, maybe the entire Horde?

These days i wonder if there will ever be an actual hero in Warcraft. The sad thing is that the only real heroes would be fucking Varian, Trion, and Khadgar.

And to make it even sadder, two of them are fucking dead and yet still manage to be more awesome and heroic.

Just goes to show how shit Blizz writing is.

Krogans are the niggers of Mass Effect.

Made me laugh how Grunt's missions and character development were basically about he didn't have a dad.

A lot of ME2 side missions seem to be revolving about daddy issues.

Alliance in the world of warcraft
>Eredars are draenies no matter how much you want to ignore it like the alliance cocksucker your are. It's like trying to separate darkspear trolls and Amani trolls..
>Humans had their fucking bishop worshiping the Old god and was able to trick everyone in stormwind that he was some kind of dindu priest, also it feels like saying "good orcs doesn't worship Garrosh".
>The funny thing about the highborn/Nightbornes elves is that they once again join the legion in the next expansion because they are promised power and because they can't live without their crack pool aka Nightwell.
>Dwards still has problems with what leader they want, after their king awoke from his slumber dark iron forge and the hammer clan wanted to start a civil war almost immediately.

But babies literally dindu nuffin.
That said the first genophage was 100% justified, it was the second application that was wrong. Mordin admits this and fixes that mistake.

Better ME dindu is probably Jack getting a job teaching fucking children in ME3.
Nothing says "child educator" better then a violent escaped con murderer who thinks full body gang tattoos + leather straps substitute for clothing.

At least sex ed should be interesting.

I feel like Blizzard is wary of making a villain who has no greater depths than "I am evil"

But that's a VALID character type. It just gets stale when it's ALL you have. Now they've tried so hard to make all central villains have a sympathetic backstory it's become fucking stupid. Gul'dan is probably one of the only major villains to just be an evil prick to his core.

It's not really a retcon. The orcs never had an established character before it was revealed they were high as a kite. In both versions they were trying to take over another world from their original shitty world and being led by the nose by people like the Stormreavers.

He a good boy, he tryna protect his country.
He dindu muffins!

>Garrosh
>Loghain

Except a significant portion of the cast call them out on doing wrong. The game itself keeps saying they're wrong. So they are hardly Dindus.

The only reason people defend Loghain is because he is voiced be Simon Templeton. Which is a rather good reason.

Sup Forums can't stop sucking licking loghains balls at every chance though.

I don't think the game actually expects to agree with him, just to understand him.

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>The story acts like Wakka is an asshole for being an Al Bhed hater. There’s an entire arc about his supposed Al Bhed bigotry. The story blatantly shows us that every bad thing he ever said about them was true, but then at the end he breaks down and apologizes to all these people who tried to kill him for thinking poorly of them. And they forgive him. And nobody in the entire story seems to notice that maybe a reciprocal apology is needed.
>They don’t like that summoners willingly sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Fine...That’s good fodder for a story. But you can’t turn around and pretend that the Al Bhed are this poor minority who are oppressed for no reason. They’re staging violent attacks to disrupt the only known method for averting the end of the world. They’re not “misunderstood”. People think they’re dangerous, and they are. They have assaulted harmless individuals. (Tidus.) They’ve assaulted summoner parties. (All of them!) And their attacks put the entire world in peril. Even if their viewpoint is morally correct, they still aren’t harmless victims of prejudice.
>The story keeps saying the Al Bhed as these idealists, but then showing us that they’re crazy violent jerks. When they aren’t trying to murder people they’re beating them up and cheating at Blitzball.
>We can’t even use the fig leaf excuse of “Not All Al Bhed act this way”, because the game doesn’t show us a single Al Bhed that objects to this behavior. The leadership is instigating it, and the rank-and-file behave like thugs. They don’t seem to have any apologetic bystanders among their members. Not only is their position morally questionable, it’s also inexplicable and all-encompassing. Everyone seems to be exactly the same sort of unexplained crazy / dumb.

Nod in C&C. The 4th game basically went and vindicated them, when they were originally leftist scum in the first 3.

>marrying anora
Literally who does this?

Do not suffer the Fiend, the Machina, the Al Bhed

>Picking Loghain over Alistair

Absolutely disgusting

The only good Bhed is a dead Al Bhed.

The only time I've seen it is when it's in the "Literally did nothing wrong" threads, which are a stale joke at this point.

The most that can be said about Loghain is that he was right about Cailan going to the nation who tried to invade them before. He was actually right about that. Was he right to kill Cailan? Was he right to basically damn countless soldiers and the Grey Wardens to death? No. Not really.

I married her for political reasons. I also thought it was sweet that she warms up to you by the end of Awakening.

The big bad entire game.
But WAIT the last second she pulls a bs moral highground and walks away and you cant even fight her as the final boss.

The fact that you have to pick annoys me. Alistair, you whiny shit, I'm trying to force him to atone in a more fitting way, and get another body for the meat grinder that is the Blight.

I don't think I agree. Mordin gave a very good argument for reapplying the genophage in ME2. He says every prediction and simulation they ran showed that the krogans would again breed out of control and start another war. They would be destroyed by the council, which is in a much higher position of strength over the krogans than they were last time.

Kaine in Legacy of Kaine series.

The entire fucking series exists because of his decision at the end of the first game, and the rest of the series is spent setting up a massive fucking paradox in order to change fate, something that is supposed to be impossible in the setting, in order to finally figure things out and unfuck the world.

Alistair is a little bitch. I hate making him King, he doesn't deserve it.

I thought they would have learned their lesson from the unwinnable Cutter fight in U3, but noooo. You just gotta let her beat you up and enjoy the lack or any win/fail state. THAT'S CALLED A CUTSCENE, NAUGHTY DOG. IT'S NOT GAMEPLAY.

Prob something to do with bioware being unable to write a hite male character that doesnt have some major issue.

Being a king is a title you inherit, not earn. A monarchy is not a democracy. If Alistair is related to the last king, then he deserves the title by all rights.

Loghain betrayed his king and his men and let them be slaughtered, framed the Grey Wardens for doing so and put a price on their heads and then declared himself ruler. Doing all this was dooming the world and his "benevolent" motivations is he's a megalomaniac living in the past.

Alistair is right not to trust such a man.

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Loghain was being manipulated by his daughter who may or may not have been a Blood mage.

Being a king could also be a title you seize, get elected to or just say you are.

Hell to be an Emperor in the Holy Roman Empire you were elected to the position.

That's what happens to undead. They go to the shadow realm from yugioh

It's not about trust, who said it was about trust? Alistair won't let me enslave him to the Wardens or accept anything less than his immediate death.

This is despite the fact that Loghain is a competent fighter and we're FIGHTING AN ENDLESS ARMY. And Grey Wardens are the badass shock troopers, so he'd either die during the Ritual (painfully, so problem solved) or he'd be given a limited lifespan, forced into his role and either die to Darkspawn or to madness.

the fuck?

Yeah, then five minutes later we find out a Grey Warden has to die to kill the Archdemon, something we could just make Loghain do. Alistair is an emotional faggot

Worst part is his hero Duncan, WOULD recruit Loghain for this.

What? I don't remember any of that. As I recall his daughter was very troubled by his actions.

She's full of herself and wants to be queen, sure, but she had nothing to do with what Loghain did.

>Armstrong was right
>he had very good reasons for all his actions

ok

You don't NEED Loghain.

The choice is punish him for his crimes or give him the opportunity to atone for them with no guarantee he'll actually follow through. It's a purely personal decision with no real ramifications as far as the blight is concerned.

Punishing him for his crimes is not being a "whiny little bitch".

Alistair putting his feelings above the bigger picture and greater good is being a whiny little bitch. Hell he tried to have me killed aswell.

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>muh arthas didnu nuffin

Monarchies can be elective, the Pope for example

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>the bigger picture and greater good

This assumes that Loghain is so fucking wonderful he's should be trusted again and is critically important to success which there is no reason to believe and if you chose to kill him is shown to be not true. He's just a man, user.

Loghain is a prick who has been nothing but a hindrance. The fact that he finally concedes as much only after you physically kick his ass does not really do much to win him any points as far as I'm concerned.

KAIN IS DEIFIED

Raziel sure got the short end of the stick after being manipulated by everyone

Ramza

>A monarchy is not a democracy
when you have lots of people with claims to the throne, the one with the most support gets it. if someone with little support somehow weasels their way into power, they get killed by an angry mob. that's democracy.

I don't need anyone in that party. It's not about NEEDS. It's about CHOICES.

And while punishing him for his crimes is not being a whiny little bitch, ALISTAIR ABANDONING YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLIGHT IS.

Okay whatever, despite the game showing us Loghain will kill himself when you ask him to

hambeast can't accept her boyfriend is bigger bitch than she is

>this triggers the Sup Forums

I never got people's beliefs on the whole Arthus charade

It's pretty obvious that he DID go bad, but not until Northrend. Until then, and especially the whole Stretholme situation, he was doing the right thing. It wasn't until he burned down his ships that he went off the deep end

Hindsight is 20/20.

Get off your logic and reason high horse, user. There is nothing reasonable about believing a man guilty of the crimes Loghain is can be trusted.

Except the fact he is a decorated war hero who loves his country to a fault. There's not a single reason to believe he wouldn't die for it.

Face it fatty, your husbando is a bitch. Like the other user said, faggot leaves in a hissy fit despite the country and world being in danger of a blight

I think you mean that whore princess

Sarah wanted revenge on the people that wronged her
cus they wronged her pretty bad
thats not what a dindu is

Yeah lmao off the top of my head grunt, miranda, and jacob have dad missions. Shit tali too. Thane is the dad issue does that kne count too?

>Face it fatty, your husbando is a bitch.

Projecting just a tad too strong there, don't you think?

It's obvious there's point continuing this discussion when you're blinded by your desire for the Loghain cock.

both of them tbqh
slaughtering a city because of one unfaithful whore is a bit much

>Mordin gave a good argument
You serious? Did you play ME3? His most emotional line is shouting "I made a mistake!".

Saying "they might start a war that they would automatically lose" as justification is a worse excuse than the fucking Reapers who at least imply that the synths would win.

Mordin himself says that he fucked up and looked at bad broad stroke data instead of looking at the people themselves and figuring out how they would actually behave, which was heading down the fast track to extinction. .

She was imprisoned at the end, not really a dindu scenario.

Arthas was doing alright until he went to Northrend, Strathome was a lost cause.

I dont know if nts, but in Farcry 4, I sided with the guy who wanted to keep tradition, and he seemed like a really good person up until you neat the game and the after credits scene is him killing his own men at least it's better than siding with that other chick, where she literally murders a little girl because she thinks it will start some kind of uprising if she's alive, even though she acted like a caring big sister to her through out most of the game

Magus

Orc genocide when?
They are literally filthy niggers
Blizzard's stupid fucking narrative of >muh noble savage
does not fucking exist
baka

It was a valid character archetype because the original Warcraft setting was medieval Europe, where the bad guys were centered around Christian mythologies.

Later, after they'd started giving background to characters, they forgot where they'd derived them from and thought that they were silly (they are without context). However, you can't make Space Satan a serious bad guy. Period. God forbid they come up with a decent piece of OC writing though.

Those two extremes were stupid. At least you can chose Min at the start of the game

>Orc genocide when?
No need, they are already completely fucked thanks to Garrosh. They don't even control the faction they started anymore

Even if he does go full GOD IS GREAT PURGE THE INFIDELS, at least he's a simple kind of evil and one that's less ruinous to the country than Anita enslaving an army of child soldiers to turn to country into some massive drug farm.

The best ending to the game is to let Mr. Fabulous go back to wherever, then side with Anita until the guy is dead, then shoot Anita in the face and leave the country to it's own devices.

the thing, neither of them were really that extreme, the problem was they were both perfectly reasonable but ubisoft wanted the game to be "deep", so they added those extra bits at the end to try to make you fell bad about your choice

If we're being honest here, villains should never have been introduced to Warcraft in the first place.

The best of WC was when you could see/play each side and sympathize with each. Just like in Game of Thrones where you can understand why Stannis' frustration over his rightful (by birth) claim to the throne is just as sympathetic as Robb's claim (who only wants revenge for his dad's death), so too was Arthas' revenge march against Mal'Ganis just as sympathetic as Arthas' march against his own people (frustration to the breaking point over his powerlessness to defeat his enemies - he reacts by stealing his father's throne of power). With characters like those, it's easy to get behind even menial scenes involving them. When you can't sympathize with a character/villain, particularly one who has no endgame, the question becomes less of how their character arc will develop and more when/how will they die.