Is there a video game canon?

Is there a video game canon?

Is it divided into East and West like in literature?

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it's too new of a medium I think

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you're not going to get an intelligent answer that goes beyond "no". like somebody already said it's too new of a medium and nobody takes the critique of them seriously at all

It is too new but there usually is some distinction made about western and eastern developed games.

JRPGs are ultimately based on WRPGs so not really.

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In the sense of something that an academic institution or something would establish, then no.

But there are plenty of titles that I'm sure most people would agree on as being essential / important / exceptional, and you could split that into eastern and western. So, vaguely, I guess?

Everything on the west side would be shooters.

The San Francisco numales will tell you yes. It would only have Eastern games during their childhood on the NES and SNES, then dramatically shift into entirely Western games after that.

What's the difference between a canon and a list of the best games ever? There have been a million of those.

There isn't a canon yet because it isn't a medium that's been fully adopted by universities and such yet.

It's still a young medium as others have said, but in the world of art so is film, which has a pretty established canon. Also I don't think it would be divided between East and West because there's too much interaction between the two, even if they have their own characteristics.

Canon = had a profound effect on the development of western culture

so pretty much no video game ever

So would a game like Dragon Quest be a good example for the East? I feel like you could find some for the West, but the degree of "profound" is an interesting point. World of Warcraft had a profound effect on the industry, but in terms of the mainstream culture at large, video games as a whole are practically incapable of doing something at that level

canon is agreed upon by academics for having an affect on the development of society as a whole

World of Warcraft
Halo
Super Mario Bros.
Tetris

Also who are the academics here? The ""journalists""? Their opnions don't represent the medium at all, that's another issue

there are no academics for video games. academics would be literature students for the literature canon, etc. until there's deeper university studies on them it's useless

Also Pokemon
Call of Duty
Elder Scrolls

Just to name some influential vidya

Guess the canon is shit

how can you say video games haven't impacted culture when we had all of Pokemon GO happening since its release, admittedly that's the only example I can conjure

People feel this way about most artistic canons lol

There has to be a canon per genre.

This.

Ive always been inspired to make lists for games that define and advance their genre.

For example stealth would be thief 1 and 2, metal gear solids 1-3. But I havent because I'm not sure I have the experience and knowledge to make them somewhat accurate.

No because it's totally different

Games aren't inherently narrative and so can't really be compared. There's games that match traditional games like card games or whatever and there's games that are closer to movies, so you couldn't really do the same thing. How can you realistically put Tetris alongside something like Planescape and compare merits like they're similar or had the same goals? You can't really.

Super Mario Bros. - 2D platformer
Super Mario 64 - 3D platformer
The Legend of Zelda - action/adventure
Pokemon - JRPG
Dragon Quest - JRPG
Elder Scrolls - WRPG
Ultima - WRPG
Halo - FPS
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - FPS
Super Metroid - Metroidvania
Star Fox 64 - Rail shooter
Resident Evil 1/REmake - Survival horror
Resident Evil 4 - Third-person shooter/survival horror
Gears of War - Third-person shooter
Devil May Cry 1/3 - CUHRAYZEE action game
Dark Souls - Soulslike
Grand Theft Auto 3/Vice City/San Andreas - open-world sandbox game
Tomb Raider - parkour/realistic platformer
Mario Kart - Kart racing
F-Zero GX - Futuristic racing
Street Fighter 2 - 2D fighting game
Virtua Fighter 2 - 3D fighting game
Tetris - falling blocks puzzle game

I don't even like or haven't played a decent amount of this list. Just going by what I know and what is influential.

Any others?

With shit like this you may as well put shit like Harry Potter and Twilight into canon for being 'influential' in that they made tons of derivative trash

I think change pokemon to Final fantasy and you got it

Dragon Quest is more influential than Final Fantasy

Speaking of DQ, I bought a ps4 pre owned the other day isn't there a new one out? Is it good? Never played one before.

You also need SoTn for the -vania part of Metroidvania

Metroidvania is action/adventure/platformer, where the fuck is Quake/Doom for FPS? Cod4 really?
Where are the strategy genres?

What would be the best Realistic Racing game for this list?We only have kart and futuristic, and I'm not to big on racing games.

Also maybe for FPS we should have Arena/Realistic, seeing how different they are.

Symphony of the Night is a must include along with Super Metroid, one without the other is silly. And I do not think Star Fox is needed at all

>where the fuck is Quake/Doom for FPS? Cod4 really?
Oh fuck, completely forgot about those. Oh well, just pretend like they're there.

>Where are the strategy genres?
Starcraft for RTS?
Fire Emblem for SRPG?

>What would be the best Realistic Racing game for this list?We only have kart and futuristic, and I'm not to big on racing games.
Gran Turismo?

>Also maybe for FPS we should have Arena/Realistic, seeing how different they are.
Sure.

Maybe CoD and Halo could be under 'modern FPS'.

Doom and Quake for arena FPS?

Early JRPGs were inspired by Wizardry, a WRPG series that was very popular in Japan for some reason.

I figured GT but I wasn't too sure, and Doom might be a better pick since it really did help make the genre.
CoD 4 is probably a better example of the usual "modern" shooters than Halo, just because halo is pretty far in the future.

We need a Grand strategy too, probably one of the civs, and Warcraft 3 might be a better pick for RTS.

>Dark Souls - Soulslike
Holy fuck lmao

Those books any good?

WC3 is great, but SC is pretty much the genre definer.

What about MOBA? The original Dota was a WC3 mod I believe, but it could goto Dota2/LoL for sheer popularity.

That's because Planescape is a shit game.

They're Great

>Soulslike

I would be interested to read studies on some games, mostly RPG stories though, so it wouldn't be that much different from movie or literature study.

That makes me wonder. What genre is Rogue?

Dungeon crawler.

Roguelike obviously?

RTT, Close combat and Myth.

>people think there aren't game academics just because they never see them posting on Sup Forums

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best

This works well enough as a vidya canon for me.

Post works and studies or shut up.

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That's completely unrelated to the point

Game academics are a joke anyway.

>Goldeneye that high
>Goldeneye on there at all

I'm honestly surprised Bioshock Infinite isn't on here. Seems like critics loved that game a lot. same for Skyward Sword.

The fact that just Bioshock is on there is bad enough, but yeah good point. Also critics only liked Skyward Sword pre-release and the first month or so, then they immediately hated it. No one at any major outlet likes Skyward Sword