How would you have written and ended the story?

How would you have written and ended the story?

Just like this

better

Turn motherbase into Metal Gear: Persona

Form bonds with Ocelot, Code Talker, Kaz and Eli.

Boost your Strength, Charisma, and Skill by performing various motherbase activities

Play hide and seek with Diamond Dogs staff!

Add mission 51
Add mission 52, final boss CQC fight against Solid that you can't win

Venom Snake being Big Boss
Big Boss actually doing evil stuff
Remove Quiet and everything parasite related
Remove Skullface and use Zero as the main villain
Remove Volgin

No plot twists, just add what people expected and tie up the loose ends between 3 and the rest of the series. A simple tale of a man falling apart for the sake of revenge.

GZ is fine, leave it

Things I would change for TPP
>Huey is not a turncoat bastard who kills his wife for no reason
>Skull Face and XOF work for Cipher loyally, not a rogue unit
>remove parasites
>remove Venom Snake, story is about literally what was said in PW's ending (the whole world is after Big Boss)
>Zero pulling strings with world governments to hunt down and eliminate Big Boss and his men
>BB is building Outer Heaven partially as a defensive measure against unending assaults
>driving force for story progression is gathering intel and infiltrating various bases related to Skull Face, XOF, Cipher and eventually Zero himself

Game ends with Big Boss having a fistfight with Zero a la MGS4, but in the middle of a skirmish between Cipher and Outer Heaven troops all over the surrounding base.
Before the fight, they strike a gentlemen's bet with each other's honor on the line (meaning that if BB wins, Zero will have to respect him as an equal instead of an opposing force).

The two of them fight until they can hardly move. Instead of honoring their bet, Zero calls in Skull Face's remaining spec ops to apprehend a weakened Big Boss

BB has his own elite troops (who are named, recurring characters at this point, led by Kaz) stationed outside who burst in to his rescue.

As they exit, Kaz takes a quick shot and domes Skull Face (controlled by the player).
If the player aims for Zero, Skull Face dives in the way.

TPP should have been the rising conflict between Big Boss and Zero, the climax of a shadow war which would inform the climate of the series' future.

How would you deal with them terrible infants?

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More Kaz

I don't think David needs to be in the game. Not until a tease leading into MG1 and Intrude N313, anyway.

Maybe, if we could swing it somehow, put David as an easter egg in one of the bases with an optional scene where he overwhelms Ocelot and escapes. The identity of the soldier isn't made clear, and he doesn't speak.
"He's pretty good."

As for Eli, I think I would keep him being rebellious and use this as his branching point from David (who goes on to join the US military and eventually an unknowing agent of the Patriots).

Liquid has a fascination with Big Boss both as a father and as a symbol, so I think the logical backstory for him is to discover who his "father" is through some snooping in a Cipher facility, or something like that.
Maybe he finds some recordings of conversations or arguments between BB and Zero, and eventually he comes to realization that he belongs with BB and wants to follow in his footsteps (interpreting his ideology as "being your own man", "creating your own destiny" etc.).

So Eli is introduced as a stowaway on an OH recruitment vehicle.

He's initially denied recruitment but kept on Mother Base as an informant when he reveals he came from Cipher.

His arc involves several scenes spending time with BB. While it seems as though they may be bonding, BB is having his intel team find as much information as possible about who Eli is (because he won't say).

When the intel comes back, Boss confronts Eli, who begs forgiveness and pledges undying loyalty, ("just let me fight for you, I wanna be strong like you" that sort of thing) but is ultimately shipped off with no destination similar to how Huey left in TPP.

I can't quite remember what Liquid's backstory was before TPP came along so maybe this is incongruous with the canon but it's just off the top of my head.

I'm fine with how it was. Big Boss created a legendary soldier to work for him and sent him to die when it was convenient. It's the same thing the government did to The Boss. He betrayed everything he supposedly stood for while also throwing away his comrades. I also love how it subverts the expectation that the game was going to be about Big Boss getting revenge on Skullface by having Boss give up the opportunity for revenge within the first 30 minutes.

Everyone dying because it does not matter.

Peace chapter that also included some kind of build up the the ending.

I wouldn't have. We didn't need another fucking Big Boss game.

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I wouldn't have made Phantom Pain in the first place, if I did, it would've been the rise of Big Boss. I would retcon Peace Walker, jump right into the 1970s where Big Boss is pissed off at the government and things spiral out of control from there.

However, if I had to keep the stupid medic shit, phantom cigar, fade into this

keep venom, include minor evil (ends justify memes), remove quiet and parasites makes sense, keep skullface but fix him somehow, (he was a good guy all along), remove volgin makes sense.

shiet nigga. this would have been lit af fampai

was ok except it should be paz no quiet. or jsut no grilz

This. I like the idea of retconning Peace Walker because Snake Eater's ending gives you all the information you need to know as to why he's so fucking pissed off at becomes the villain that you see depicted in MG1/2, so I'd expand on his hatred towards the Soviet/US governments

Why would Zero be capable of fighting Big Boss one on one?

To be fair, Big Boss himself tells you everything you need to know in MG2. MGS3 wasn't necessary either, it just wasn't egregiously stupid like Portable Ops, Peace Walker, or V.

>Why would Zero be capable of fighting Big Boss one on one?
Why not? He used to be a soldier himself, and even fought alongside The Boss.

Except Venom falls in love with Quiet by the end of the game and she only leaves as to not kill him. Her showing up there as either real or imaginary makes sense since he's dying anyways.

kill yourself it's the other way around you shitposter he leaves her for dead because he never cared about her

More like:

How would you have stopped Konami from shitting on your game, forcing you to make one with mobile game mechanics?

You're an idiot

Scrap the entire thing and start from scratch. Write the game we were actually promised.

>Big Boss builds OH
>get to recruit gray fox, sniper wolf, vulkan raven etc
>all of them can be buddies
>get to meet Sears and see child Raiden
>remove Quiet
>game spans many years instead of just one or two
>russians are conducting human research on mujas to make Skulls
>they revive Volgin to lead them against the afghanis along with Cobra 2.0
>at least 5 actual boss fights in the game
>your radio goes out every time you confront any of them
>Cipher and skull face have a background role in all of this
>BB sees things throughout the game (Cobras, Boss, Skulls etc)
>after a GOAT boss fight with franken Volgin you return to MB
>skulls have invaded MB somehow
>after a hard fight (think extreme metallica archaea) you get knocked out by one of them
>wake up in an operation room
>they removed your shrapnel that's been growing across the game
>shrapnel's been causing most of what you've seen all game (Skulls, Volgin, skull face) and the russian experiment was just a hoax created by Cipher with the help of Kaz
>Kaz flees MB, Ocelot stays by your side
>Zero sends tapes reflecting on all of this

It can go anywhere from there but this would still be a huge improvement over what we got and I think it ties in a lot better between GZ and the other mainline games. Hell I would have been happier if the Frank Jaeger = Venom theory was canon but whatever we got was total bullshit.

the fanwank comic doesn't make sense though venom was big boss in first two games and his charred corpse was in MGS4

all of this just for starters

Also forgot to say those Skulls your fight on MB are your soldiers. You can have the ashes scene right after that.

Quiet is an idiot because she thought that Snake liked her, she put off the idea that he was playing her, Stockholm Syndrome and all that.

let's just ignore that venom took that cobra bite to save quiet

I don't even know why I'm responding. Use this (You) wisely.

>Venom dies in the end.
>Killed by BB

That sets up the tragedy of BB adequately, although there are other ways to do.

he could have let her go and dodged the bite.
could have used the metal arm.
No, he used his real arm and probably had antivenom but didn't use it, he knew Quiet would speak and leave to die, however long it took her to die.

Venom only cared about himself.

Replace Quiet with loli parasite Sniper Wolf that BB rescues after her village gets torched by BB. Have her be cured of the parasites in the end to explain why she isn't as powerful in MGS1.

He proably thought the snake wouldn't be able to penetrate the 1 inch thick battle dress plating he had on.

If it was goal to kill Quiet, then why didn't he just kill Quiet?

That was Solidus's corpse...

include everything in the novelization + the intro from mg1

Pretty sure Snake also left that one tank so she would take the brunt of the impact, knowing his experience he should have seen that it was still operational.

His whole plan was to get Quiet to drop her revenge and care about him so that she would leave him alone. Snake was counting on Quiet to feel something for him, and she didn't disappoint. She didn't let him die, but he let her die.

>no flying whale
>being chased by past phantoms taken literally in the form of zombie volgin and not a coma nightmare by boss
>not the birth of vr training
>no octopus/raven/wolf/mantis quartet

He did kill Quiet. Just not visibly.

Snake rejected her, that killed her completely.

>a bloo bloo why wasn't it MGSV: Revenge of the Sith
>why didn't big Boss kill younglings and why wasn't the series tied up in a nice little pink bow

God you fags are pathetic

Venom Snake does evil things. (killing those kids, chlid soldiers, working with Skullface.)
Not gaining hero points.
Actually fighting Cipher and not just XOF.
Big Boss and Kaz falling out.
Introducing Gray Fox in Africa.
Meeting child soldier Raiden.
Zero actually being in the game and not just on tapes.
A scene where we see Solid Snake in Outer Heaven voiced by David Hayter.

>why didn't the last game in the series attempt to resolve anything

fuck you, MGSV barely even tried to tell a story

So what ever happened with those msx files people found in the game's directories? How about that ingsoc file?

Did it ever amount to anything? Or was that all just bullshit to begin with?

oh yeah, the tank explosion probably blew that plating off.

You already got your faggy "grand finale" to the series with MGS4, which Kojima only did because he was passively aggressively mocking you for being too dumb to understand MGS2.

Literally MGS2 ends with Snake telling you "it's all fiction nerd, Canon doesn't matter, what's important are the experiences you had playing the game, its themes, and how you'll pass those ideas and experiences on to other people"

Metal gear was never meant to be a documentary of fictional events faggot

>Quiet interrogation scene
>she doesnt piss herself
Most disappointing part of the game desu

>Have Skullface and his forces be a more menacing threats, constantly targeting Mother Base/DD and overall how they're manipulating the battlefields in Afghanistan and Africa
>add an Arctic area for MGS1 nostalgia
>have the "you're not Big Boss" reveal come earlier, like a little bit before midway
>reveal that Ocelot and Kaz are in on it and show how it's affecting Kaz
>the reveal comes from meeting the real Big Boss and he lays out how he needs you to play a role so he can try and figure out who exactly Skullface is where he came from so they can defeat him
>Show how your Boss knew a lot of friends at the MB incident and is increasingly becoming enraged with the more men that are killed by XOF faggotry
>Keep the Volgin/Psycho Mantis shit but have it be that Volgin is back due to Psycho Mantis who is under control of Skullface via manipulation
>bossfights with them could be accomplished by putting stress on Psycho Mantis so he screws up and causes more damage to his own faction than yours
>Get rid of Suffalathaphalmopus
>Have a more primitive Metal Gear in development that
>Show your Bosses downfall over the course of the game, with him and Big Boss having falling outs over if their methods will be worth it in the long run
>Have more scenes such as the second parasite outbreak
>Show how eventually the tables turn and due to his increasing brutality and thirst for revenge, now it's Big Boss trying to talking Boss out of doing horrendous shit instead of the other way around
>Have scenes where Big Boss contemplates killing your Boss but neither of them can quit because they both want revenge
>Eventually defeat Skullface, XOF, steal metal gear plans, manipulate Eli and Psycho Mantis into your side
>because of your thirst for revenge and adoption of a different identity, you can't go back to how things were and have forced Big Boss to be like you
>End with time jump to Operation Intrude N313 with an unbeatable boss fight against Solid Snake

My question is why wasn't the game good? Venom was badly executed as a character. He's too mute. MGSV is like what Fight Club would have been if Brad Pitt's charismatic character was the real person and the boring guy was the fake personality. Venom was not leader material at all.

Two campaigns. Venom would be the first part, BB would be second, which introduces all the shit that was mentioned in previous games. Would also include the first set of Truth Tapes to be unlocked/obtainable.

An actual fight with Skull Face, which would essentially be a stand battle. You initially had practice on Volgin, now it's switched up by including a guy with your moveset/abilities, on top of controlling a kid controlling a man on fire. Your method of approach is up to you.

I dunno what else. Maybe something about BB getting hypnotherapy as well in his coma, which lead him to selling out his own men and essentially being the fabricated villain the Patriots wanted, showing the beginning of their overall control methods.

That's what I've always thought. The game is about Big Boss becoming a total monster, but it's told from the perspective had their identity ripped away from them in order to achieve the means of the actual Big Boss. Much like tge CIA and the rest of the US used him as a pawn in a scheme for the philosophers legacy, he used Venom as a disposable dupe in a scheme to achieve a war-driven mercenary economy and build his legend on the back of a comrade.

>Venom was badly executed as a character. He's too mute

He's an extension of the player and a hollow shell of a person torn between his real and constructed memories. There's a ton of differences between his characterization and the real BB, Kiefer nailed the two roles.

You just don't like him because he isn't a wisecracking meme badass hero and you're mad the story wasn't what you wanted it to be.

Miller was the only one in the game who had a downfall. He's the one who goes fucking nuts like Big Boss should have.

He's also the only one that prevents the kids from being used for war.

Kojima said that he wanted to make MGSV like madmax, the main character say almost nothing, while the movie and other characters develop it, it creates a connection with the MC and the watcher as both learn and understand the plot.

>You just don't like him because he isn't a good or realistic character

Exactly. I felt more of a connection to BB in MGS3 than I did to Venom. Venom was just a mute that never spoke. It wasn't a successful attempt at making a self insert.

kojima changed venom into a mute pro tag halfway through the development of the game

Fucking this.

Holy shit. Everything's on point.

>he isn't good because he's not badass and likable on a superficial level!!!!

You're on the same level as faggots who bitched about Raiden because he was too gay

>Big Boss actually doing evil stuff
Lying to your best friend and betraying all of your followers, setting up your best soldier to take the fall for all of your crimes, and generally being a warmongering asshole and completely disregarding anything your mentor had in mind (which you originally intended to follow) isn't evil?

Just because it was behind the scenes doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The real flaw was not completely wrapping it up by finishing with at radio call to Solid at the start of MG1. And this is probably because the game was rushed and Kojima simply had too much ambition for what he could do in the given span of time.

[citation needed]

>pic related

It's because The Boss blue balled him.

The mirror smash transitions into an epilogue of Venom leading an assault on Outer Heaven.
The soldiers you brought with you quickly get gunned down.
You reach BB in an open area, he gives a speech meant to confuse your motives and give a final disrespect.
As you fight the amount of health you regain caps out lower and lower. Kaz/Ocelot swoop in on a chopper suppressing BB, they land and pick Venom up.

Pan out to big boss watching you leave and dead diamond dogs being dumped into the sea.
Credits roll to everyone in the chopper -> dead soldiers sinking into the ocean -> demoralized welcome home at motherbase.

The soldiers that were in the fight get removed from your roster.

Or Paz, either one.

But that's the thing, there's never been the implication that Big Boss really went "nuts" in an overly emotional or animated way like Miller does in his anger. In MG2 the Big Boss we meet is cold and sober in disposition. He's arrogant and egocentric, but calculating. And that's the exact guy we see in MGSV.

>He is good character because I feel sorry for the character I made up in lieu of a real one!!!1!

Include Iraq
Include a US base/area for FOXHOUND.
Quiet goes from enemy to ally, eventually trains Sniper Wolf.

I have heard those words so many times from Shinkawa it's basically his shtick now.

There's really no need to drag Solid Snake into it, since it's Venom's and Big Boss's story--the implication is already there since the game's background involves Big Boss creating Outer Heaven and the game ends with Venom at Outer Heaven.

I don't know why Metal Gear fans are so autistic about COMPLETING THE CIRCLE or MISSING LINKS. The circle is already fucking complete.

Did you just skip the Paz stuff?

I just think you're an idiot that doesn't understand characterization unless it's worn on their sleeve

Granted, I can kind of justify Venom being outspoken on the grounds that he's more or less an amnesiac. He's only got a personality based on a skeleton of a past he didn't live. This is probably most evidenced by the fact that Ocelot needs to routinely feed him memories in iDroid tapes. He's not much beyond a blank slate. Also, I like him if not only for him being a good deal more merciful than the likes of Big Boss or Kaz at this point in canon.

Do you fucking know anything about this series?

Quiet was always an enemy.

Really just a single voice line would do.

Honestly Chapter 3 could've been you and your most loyal soldiers boss fights of MG1 sticking to your guns in OH to try and fight off Solid but you know how that ends.

>venom was big boss in first two games

No, he was the "Big Boss" in the first one, then fucking died in the first one as a bomb was dropped on top of his corpse.

The real Big Boss popped back up in MG2 and then "died", ie coma party again.

The charred corpse seen in MGS4 was actually Solidus. Wrong injured eye and all.

Probably because the game advertised itself as "The missing link that completes the story".

Also, finding out how BB meets all those boss characters, how he builds Outer Heaven while working for Foxhound, and how he meets Solid where cool questions. Not like "why were the cobras superpowered?", and the whole parasites mess. No one asked that question. The game should have been about building Outer Heaven, not some random Motherbase 2.0 that never gets mentioned again.

That would be a really shitty Chapter 3, since Metal Gear 1 was still a stealth game and Solid Snake was still being stealthy. It's not like he was some kind of JC Denton juggernaut spearing everyone with a Dragon's Tooth.

>Probably because the game advertised itself as "The missing link that completes the story"

Yeah and MGS2 advertised itself as a straight sequel to MGS2 with Snake as the protagonist

Kojima using fake marketing to ruse the fans is nothing new

Not like the entire chapter would be it, it would end right when Solid's entering.

The buildup before it could've been in the game though. Venom actually looked upset that he got rused so fucking hard and lost his identity. What his options come down to are to finish playing into Boss' hands or to rebel as best he can as a final fuck you to BB.

He knows he's fucked one way or the other because all of the best men including Ocelot and Kaz have left by this time (Kaz with Cipher and Ocelot doing his standard triple quadruple backstabbing thing).

I understand it alright. That's why I know Venom is a bad character. The Paz interactions exacerbated the issue. Venom has a lot of cut dialogue with her. The way he autistically just walks in every now and then to give her a photo, without saying anything, is terrible. The scenes were weak at delivering context.

A similar example is how you can just walk in on Quiet getting tortured with no idea why. There is a codec call from Kaz that explains it, but only if you never return to motherbase until the game forces you to go back. Whether you get the codec or not, Venom just stands there with a blank expression while the women he was dancing in the rain with 30 minutes ago is getting hooked up to a car battery. Scenes like this make the plot feel disjointed and the player detached from the main character.

>advertised
There wasn't much left to do with or say about Big Boss. The advertising was as dumb this time around as it was for Portable Ops and Peace Walker before it.
>finding out how BB meets all those boss characters
We already knew how. MG2 gives examples for the audience to extrapolate from, and so do MGS1 and Peace Walker.
>how he builds Outer Heaven while working for Foxhound
This was always a little nebulous, but it's not really essential information.
>and how he meets Solid
He meets him when Snake joins FOXHOUND.
>Not like "why were the cobras superpowered?", and the whole parasites mess. No one asked that question.
See, the thing is your questions are equally superfluous to me. We already fucking knew everything we needed to.
>Motherbase 2.0 that never gets mentioned again.
Given Venom's involvement with Outer Heaven, Diamond Dogs is presumably consolidated into Outer Heaven's operations.

I think your mistake here is assuming that Big Boss sent Solid Snake with the intention of toppling Venom, but that's clearly not the case. Big Boss and Venom seem to be working together; nothing else would make sense.

Yeah, nah, I'm pretty sure people wanted to see the conclusion to the series more than they wanted the tangent plot of MGSV.

That's what could be infered from the Big Boss tape that Venom is listening too in the end. There's also the codec calls in MG1, where BB leads Snake into traps.

BB didn't actually send Solid to get rid of Venom, whatever happened would just make it seem as though he was dead to the world in order for him to be able to do whatever he wanted in the shadows.

And while they might've been working together (he does reveal his master stroke to Venom to convince him to work with him) Venom could still bear a grudge and hate him for what he did.

i can't write

everything stays the same, but at the end of "the man who sold the world (TRUTH)", it would then switch to BB's perspective, and you get a few missions as him

they would have been tighter levels (designed and planned, rather than open like the main game), and naturally BB wouldn't have any of the motherbase gear, so it would be like going in "naked"

I really liked this idea

>Game ends with Big Boss having a fistfight with Zero a la MGS4, but in the middle of a skirmish between Cipher and Outer Heaven troops all over the surrounding base.
this is a shit idea

Didn't BB/Venom change frequency mid game, because he was initially speaking from FoxHound's HQ and then traveled all the way to Outer Heaven once he saw Snake actually being competent? That's also where he started acting like an asshole.

>Game ends with Big Boss having a fistfight with Zero a la MGS4, but in the middle of a skirmish between Cipher and Outer Heaven troops all over the surrounding base.
>Before the fight, they strike a gentlemen's bet with each other's honor on the line (meaning that if BB wins, Zero will have to respect him as an equal instead of an opposing force).
>The two of them fight until they can hardly move. Instead of honoring their bet, Zero calls in Skull Face's remaining spec ops to apprehend a weakened Big Boss
>BB has his own elite troops (who are named, recurring characters at this point, led by Kaz) stationed outside who burst in to his rescue.
>As they exit, Kaz takes a quick shot and domes Skull Face (controlled by the player).
>If the player aims for Zero, Skull Face dives in the way.
Remove this your idea would been great

He's old as fuck you idiot

>hate him for what he did.

Considering how Venom has several tapes (real or not) that show how Zero created him and how BB had no say in it and was reluctantly made to go along with the plan, no, I don't think Venom would hate him. Venom also knows that BB stuck around to help Venom out of the hospital, even though he could have left. As far as Venom is concerned, BB did him no harm.

But there's really no reason for Big Boss to fake his own death since he already had Venom assuming his role. There'd be no reason to even resurface to join FOXHOUND. Venom would already provide the shadows you're suggesting Outer Heaven's destruction would provide--that's the whole fucking point behind Venom's existence.

If the Outer Heaven Uprising had been successful, there wouldn't have been any need for Big Boss to hide in the shadows again since the coup d'etat against the Patriots and the resulting subversion of the world order would put Big Boss and Outer Heaven in a role of supremacy. What you're suggesting is redundant.

I'm saying what you're asking for is almost as tangential, just in a different way. We got a conclusion a long time ago.