>Zenimax has filed an amended complaint against VR pioneer Oculus, which marks the latest update in a suit that has been raging since May 2014. The complaint, which alleges a variety of transgressions, now includes Oculus CEO Brendan Iribe and id Software co-founder John Carmack by name.
The suit also directly names Oculus parent company Facebook, with amended charges against the VR company that further detail a key source of conflict: misappropriated Zenimax property. Specifically, the filing now spells out theft allegations against the id Software co-founder and Oculus’ current chief technology officer John Carmack.
“Instead of complying with his contract, during his last days at ZeniMax, he copied thousands of documents from a computer at ZeniMax to a USB storage device,” the amended filing (below) alleges. “He never returned those files or all copies of them after his employment with ZeniMax was terminated. In addition, after Carmack's employment with ZeniMax was terminated, he returned to ZeniMax's premises to take a customized tool for developing VR Technology belonging to ZeniMax that itself is part of ZeniMax's VR technology.”
>uh oh our shitty VR project isn't working out without his majesty Carmack at the helm >guess what >we'll sue the kingdom he took refuge in and hopefully he'll be expelled back into our lands where we will capture him and force make him the king again >excellent plan Todd
Zachary Williams
Everyone knows he's a their, ever since he stole the original source code for Doom from Robin Williams
Brandon Hill
The VR bubble is bursting get your doom pauls out.
Christian Adams
>he thought he owned the things he worked on while on the clock and on company hardware topkek
Jose Perry
Zenimax is just phishing for a big windfall from ignorant judge in the same way EA does when they file bogus lawsuit after bogus lawsuit.
Consider, Zenimax's last games >TESO who even asked for that trash? flop >Fallout 4 flopout 4: even casuals are noticing Bethesda games are turning more and more ass, and I think the community has been slow with the MODS because of the PAID MODS (GIVE BETHESDA MONEY FOR NO REASON) fiasco >D44M obviously a flop considering it was running 50% off within a month of release. prices for big AAA new releases only crater like that when sales for the first month were abysmal; actual GOOD GAMES like Witcher 3 command higher prices for a long, long time
Zachary Williams
>As reported in David Kushner's Masters of Doom, when Carmack was 14, he broke into a school to help a group of kids steal Apple II computers. To gain entry to the building, Carmack concocted a sticky substance of thermite mixed with Vaseline that melted through the windows. However, an overweight accomplice struggled to get through the hole, and opened the window, setting off a silent alarm and alerting police. John was arrested, and sent for psychiatric evaluation (the report mentions 'no empathy for other human beings' and describes Carmack as 'a brain on legs'). Carmack was then sentenced to a year in a juvenile home.
holy shit what
Anthony Howard
>Carmack might be a theif He literally is a thief, in middle school the nigga made thermite to melt a school window to steal an Apple 2 computer.
Eli Young
He also gave away his cat when it pissed on his couch once. He's a psychopath and always has been.
Sebastian Evans
>flopout 4 Are you retarded? It was one of the best-selling console games of 2015. Even if normies are starting not to like it they still made money off of it, Bethesda is a relatively small studio and made a game that competes with monsters like CoD, Fifa and Madden. Hardly a flop regardless of how you feel about the game.
Mason Rodriguez
Quite common for places with a need for strong security to lock down USB sockets.
I suspect though that he just had to get approval to access the documents and told them he'd be copying them.
Ethan Campbell
Lawsuit isn't going anywhere. They're basically alleging that he stole his own work, but he's already said he can prove in court that the code is totally different. It's open and shut if it ever goes to trial and Zeni will be liable for Oculus' court costs.
I would not fuck with John Carmack in court. There are some people you dont' fuck with. A guy smarter than almost anybody on earth is one of them
Landon Allen
>might be a thief But didn't he steal computers from his school when he was young? He's always been a thief.
Jeremiah Roberts
In juvie he also made numerous gang friends, and after he got out his parents gave him some money to buy an Apple 2. He did buy an Apple 2, but got one for cheap that one of his juvie friends had stolen and kept the rest of the money. Yeah, but he's fucking hilarious in his antics.
Ethan Jones
You know who else is a thief? a pirate.
Carson Bell
Easy there, Carmack.
Hunter Johnson
>zenimax using jewish tricks to fuck with competitors Hah, its not like it never happened before. After the shit they pulled with the Prey devs became public no one in their right mind should have anything to do with Bethesda or Zenimax. Companies that go on record for not paying their developers should face the consequences of their shady practices, yet it never fucking happens.
Elijah Campbell
Can you even be labeled as a thief if you're white?
Noah Flores
A male cat that urinates on furniture isn't going to stop. Giving them away if what you do. Cats can't be trained out of marking.
James Richardson
He didn't copy jack shit. They're claiming he worked on stuff for Oculus while he was still a Zenimax employee, thus any VR related things he coded during that time were "Zenimax property" even though the claim Zenimax had any VR tech in production is obvious bullshit. The claim is that the work he did for Oculus was "stolen" from Zenimax because they think he was working for them while still taking paychecks from Zenimax, which is utter bullshit and has zero legal weight unless they can prove that he wrote proprietary code being used for Oculus on his computer in his Zenimax office.
Landon Mitchell
Trump's inbred family is suing based Carmack
Zachary Richardson
Of course ZMM are litigious pricks. (((Robert Altman)))'s a lawyer.
Parker Richardson
This
Joseph Turner
>Bethesda is a relatively small studio and made a game that competes with monsters like CoD, Fifa and Madden. Hardly a flop regardless of how you feel about the game.
uhhhhhh bethesda has 100+ developers bruh. They are an AAA developer not a "relatively small studio"
the shit that some of you just make up here and tell yourselves is mind blowing.
why would they give him approval? are you guys this ignorant about corporate computing? there is software that tracks everything that happens on the computers.
Lincoln Powell
lol oops
Anthony Sanders
>Carmack in court >gives a five hour nonstop lecture about the judicial system and why infact he is innocent >is acquitted make it so
Blake Rogers
>There are some people you dont' fuck with. A guy smarter than almost anybody on earth is one of them
Here comes the groupies. The man can't code a way out of court of it sticks.
Robert Myers
Why am I reminded of that time John Fogerty was sued for plagiarizing himself?
Dylan White
It's already been explained to you how and why it can't and won't stick. Basically a high level suit Zenimax is enraged that he left and is suing emotionally.
I don't think carmack will stick around in gaming much longer either way. Dude doesn't matter anymore the same way he used to
Jacob Taylor
...
Hudson Morgan
kek
I miss Carmack talks.
>Beautiful weather today, huh, Carmack? *Carmack walks over and begins choking out his neighbor while saying...* >Yes, we can attribute the pleasant weather to a combination of lack therof cirrostratus clouds that are common this time of year, as well as a relatively universal temperature that we, as people, find pleasing. As you probably know...
Michael Rodriguez
>I don't think carmack will stick around in gaming much longer either way.
He hasn't had much involvement in video games for a long, long time now.
Honestly, he never really did have a big involvement in the first place. He's always said he's only interesting in the technical aspects of video game development, not the games themselves.
Nicholas Rodriguez
i missed that one. Was it another instance of a naive developer signing an absurdly bad contract that depended on Metagame Critic scores? Obsidian were stupid as fuck to sign that shit with Fallout: New Vegas when the industry's publishers are the ones who TELL their corrupt shills what score to give a game. Might as well just shove your own cock up your ass directly and save yourself the longer learning process of how rigged industry "journalism" is.
Jackson Young
He 'gave it away' to a shelter. Who euthanize old cats. Also the cat was the mascot of the company. Also when Carmack pointed out that the cat is going to die he just shrugged and hmmm'd.
Mason Scott
>Jerry Bruckheimer >Cal Ripkin Jr
What the fuck is this company?
Jeremiah Lopez
>He hasn't had much involvement in video games for a long, long time now.
err he coded idtech5 and coded fundamentals to the new engine used by wolfenstein, doom etc. he's been quite directly involved in the recent history.
>Honestly, he never really did have a big involvement in the first place spoken like a true kid who wasn't there. His interest in game aspects has nothing to do with his importance as a game developer.
Jaxson Torres
>she's going down! down to chinatown!
Henry Perry
To be fair it's rare that the publishers directly tell the reviewers what to give their game, not since Driver 3's blowout scandal. Instead they wave bags of money in front of the reviewer's boss and let him come down on the reviewer when they give the boss's sacred cash cow a 7/10. That's why dull witted reviewers don't think they're being bought off, because the money skips right past of their hands and into the pocket of whoever owns the joint.
Xavier Perry
>an overweight accomplice struggled to get through the hole,and opened the window, setting off a silent alarm and from that day forward, Gabe Newell swore that he would destroy Windows
Carter Allen
Gabe Newell is responsible for a huge part of why Windows 95 was successful and revolutionary, you realize that right....that's how he got rich
sorry but your joke was shit m8
Jayden Kelly
Not surprised a hardcore libertarian Paulite would have little regard for rules, regulations, and the law.
Seems like exactly the sort of thing he would do desu.
Justin Nelson
>err he coded idtech5 and coded fundamentals to the new engine used by wolfenstein
He was credited as id's CTO for the development of idTech5.
Someone who is not John Carmack was credited as the programming director. Someone who is not John Carmack was credited as the lead developer. In fact, John Carmack was not credited as a programmer for idTech5 at all.
He was the architect of the engine but I would be surprised is he actually did much coding himself.
>His interest in game aspects has nothing to do with his importance as a game developer.
Ummm, it kind of does.
Leo Richardson
So what?
Carmack was eager to go into VR, even having a DooM 3 VR demo at E3 2012 but Zenimax/Bethesda didn't see the potential in it and Carmack had to do these demos in what appears to be a fucking corridor.
Zenimax have been fighting this for a while. They claim that all VR he was doing belongs to them as they were paying him at the time he was experimenting with the tech.
He made it, it belongs to him.
Dominic Sanders
>carmack wants VR >zenimax and bethesda deny him >carmack leaves >NOW WE'LL HAVE OUR REVENGE
Anthony Barnes
What did Marx mean by this?
Samuel Phillips
>He made it, it belongs to him. That's not how reality works. He made it while under contract employment of Zenimax. It belongs to them.
Evan Turner
Yet another reason why Drumpf must be stopped at all costs.
Luke Martinez
he's more like the scientist from cat's cradle that made ice-9 than a psychopath
Aiden Gray
Who cares if it was a finicial success, silly It was a spiritual flop ;^)
Cooper Moore
t. corporate stooge
Ethan Robinson
This fat community college drop out ruined VR
if he didn't show up valve would have all the talent, and Carmack would've went over to Valve
David Phillips
DID YOU COPY THOSE FILES, CARMACK!?
Chase Myers
>we let a former employee past security
Henry Peterson
isn't the owner of zenimax a disbarred lawyer?
David Perry
yep
Easton Flores
>Ummm Why would you type this? Are you using speech to text software, or just an idiot?
Also, designing the engine is a little more technical than pounding on the keyboard like a monkey.
Oliver Mitchell
Nah, it was failed kiking attempt to buy their studio. Basically Zenimax and bethesda worked together on this one. Forged a contract where they could legally refuse to finance the game further if parties weren't satisfied with studio's project showcases. And that was exactly their strategy. They made up unreasonable demands from the dev team and then refused to finance the project further. After some time when the development studio ran out of the money to pay their employees Zenimax made a proposal to buy the whole studio for chicken feed and "save" the studio by merging it. Instead of agreeing to the obvious kikery the head of the dev studio refused the proposal. The IP with the unfinished game went to zenimax and beth while the dev team went bankrupt and reassembled later under a different name with most of their former employees. IIRC zenimax pulled the same shit with arcane studio, only arcane didnt refuse.
Leo Morales
Is this a new snapchat filter?
Daniel Phillips
software architecting is more important than the actual code if the architecting is handled by a person like carmack
Ummm no it kind of doesn't because he coded several of the most revolutionary and important game engines of all time. You can't take that away. The engines themselves were hugely important and revolutionary.
Xavier Richardson
They dont need to pay them when they can basically make the reviewer irrelevant by not shipping a game early to them.
Mason Kelly
what is this? A thread that has no cucks or meming or blind autist rage? Is this like good old Sup Forums?
Tyler Johnson
What a nasty company Zenimax is, its too bad gamers have the memory of goldfish, if anyone deserves to go bankrupt immediately its them.
Bentley Richardson
well nice of you to ruin it cuck
Samuel Johnson
That entirely belongs to the contract. If he made it during what can be considered business hours using their tools or code its technically theirs. But good luck actually proving that since no actual proof exists and carmack is certain he can prove the code is different. If he isnt bluffing this shit wont stick and zeni's kikery wont work.
Lincoln Myers
I dont know who I want to lose, zenimax or facebook, they're both shit companies.
Benjamin Miller
i'd rather see zenimax lose because facebook atleast occationally spends their money on something neat.
Julian Jones
>2016 >Having a view of the law this ass backwards
top kek
Hunter Butler
Business hours are irrelevant. He made something during a term of employment with a company, that something belongs to the company. This is standard practice to prevent proprietary developments from being replicated outside of "business hours" and then distributed freely or to competitors.
While anyone can replicate functions of software with different code, the code itself is also irrelevant here. Carmack has to prove without a shadow of doubt that the work he done with Oculus was performed without using the technology he developed while working at Zenimax as a base, which is something he will be extremely hard pressed to do.
Zenimax is not in the wrong here. Carmack fucked up by thinking the terms of his employment did not apply to him.
Colton Parker
honestly... i believe it.
Sebastian Turner
He is got Facebook behind, legal fees wont be a problem even if Zenimax is a bank, they choose a poor battle and they should just let it go.
Adrian Cruz
Holy shit my sides, this can't be real right?
Benjamin Peterson
can't believe you're standing up for shittymax
Oliver Nelson
No, he was disbarred from BANKING
Fun fact, when he became CEO of Zenimax he fired Christopher Weaver (the original founder of both Bethesda and Zenimax) who ended up having to sue them to get severance pay
Camden Cook
faceberg has more sinister motivations than some low level kike stuck in the 80s trying to jew vidya developers out of money
Ian Baker
the book is full of gold
Nolan Fisher
Carmack is a pretty legit autist. Not in the meme way, and not really in the wholly-retarded way. Just unfeeling machine-man.
Jose Baker
Like I said that entirely depends on the contract itself. For example in yorop the company doesn't hold the right to everything you created if that was done outside of business ours without using the tools of the company, but of course there are limitations of what you can and can't do. Shit gets tricky when the "tools" they described were entirely created by carmack and are essentially just his ideas. This honestly can go ether way depending on their definition of "zenimax's tools". If all it comes down to is corporate bullshit though, I'm sure facebook can afford better lawyers.
Jackson Green
he's not standing up for zenimax he's stating reality
Jeremiah Myers
What are the odds considering they are such a small part of the population, fucking Pol is making me paranoid.
Mason Cooper
Anywhere I can read this for free? Since Carmack believes in keeping everything free after all, its what he would want.
Nicholas Carter
So if he contributed to Open-Source Software as a Hobby, does that also belong to Zenimax?...
Thats fucking stupid. You can do what you want on your free time, if it is for developing something else who cares? Its like a House-Building company sued his worker because he made a Stoneoven on his backyard.... it does not make sense
Jordan Kelly
Guilty until proven otherwise? What the hell?
Jaxson Perez
how fucking shady do you have to be for even jews to not want to be around you?
Hudson Moore
jews sell out their own kind all the time to get into better positions. just look at who funded the nazis. he was probably a sacrifice
Gabriel Collins
I was going to upload it but I appear to have deleted it. Sorry
Brayden Campbell
Just another day as a Zenimax lawyer trying to justify his employment by sending out empty lawsuit threats. There's nothing new or interesting to see here. It's just business as usual.
Hunter Jones
Imagine a multiplayer game where knowing how the game works would get you booted out.
Asher Evans
He probably backstabbed or ripped off some jews, that's a big no-no, just look at Bernie Madoff, he was made an example of despite being a jew.
Well I mean he's an autistic asshole, really that trumps everything.
Austin Garcia
>the company does not own what you produce
this is a capitalist society friend
Isaac Morales
racism or not, it is undeniably true that despite being a very small percentage of the population, jewish americans are very prevalent in art, politics, news, film, television and banking
Luis Smith
This guy is a psychopath and I love him for it. Talking to him must be the closest we'll get to talking to an AI program. No emotion, pure facts.
