Is there a reasonable argument for Melee being the GOAT? People can circlejerk about Tetris all they want but can you name a game besides Melee that has all this?
>universally appealing and playable >very high skill ceiling >thriving competitive scene 15 years later without developer support >original >great to watch as well as play >simultaneously a great casual party game and a great serious tryhard game >full-featured >no gimmicks like 3D or motion controls that will make it age poorly >outstanding soundtrack with orchestrated favorites and original tracks: youtu.be/witvUes32B4 youtu.be/5KKoo_5v8rM youtu.be/poBRGkYK6k8
It's literally fan service and as everyone knows fan service is bad.
Lucas Kelly
It kinda sucks when you don't have any friends to play with
Jeremiah Ross
That's a good point.
Brayden Ward
Ill agree with op, a goat game should be played by everyone at all skill levels
Adam Gray
You can emulate it and play with people online over teamspeak
Landon Richardson
>but can you name a game besides Melee that has all this Tetris probably
Isaiah Clark
>summer's still not over
Evan Fisher
hot argument fagtron, sure convinced me
Robert Perry
I give it credit where credit is due.
If you had asked me when it was released if people would still be playing it in 2016 I wouldn't have thought much about it. The community has certainly shown their love for it.
Tyler Parker
I don't think I've played a game that made me want to both quit due to lack of improvement and skill gap and also play until 4AM on a consistent basis. One day I won't be a shitter, one day.
Adam Campbell
It's nearly perfect. With a few tweaks the balance at high level could be a lot less skewed towards fox but nobody is going to agree on what these changes should be.
Camden Jackson
Tetris's competitive scene isn't nearly as hype, partially because it's not as fun to watch also I'm not Tetris expert but I think Melee might have more depth, it certainly has more breadth I also think the Melee soundtrack is much better
Daniel Sanchez
It sickens me to think that a game with such poor design would ever be considered GOAT.
The reason the skill ceiling is "so high" is because the game rewards control that can and has injured hands of serious players. Guess what? That's fucking garbage design that should have ended with fucking Mario Party 1 after that whole palm blisters thing from the stick spinning minigames.
But no, here we are, perpetually beating off to Melee because we can't make an objective look at a game to see it's very bad flaws since we're all blinded by fanboyism to religious zealot levels.
Fuck Meleefags.
Parker Miller
>The reason the skill ceiling is "so high" is because the game rewards control that can and has injured hands of serious players. neutral observer here, ive never even played smash bros. what part of the game encourages this, and have people really gotten hurt?
>risk of injury detracts from the gameplay and skill involved wew lad, maybe people should stop doing sports too
Isaiah Clark
I love melee. I played brawl and PM with my friends for a while but then picked up melee. I've been playing almost a year now and I'm just barely not shit. it's insane how good even the top 100 guys are, let alone the gods. It's also extremely fun and very satisfying to get sweet combos and tech skill you couldnt do before.
Ian Collins
Keep denying Melee isn't the greatest game of all time.
Tyler Long
look at this fucking casual
Isaiah Russell
Not quite
>Too many bad characters >On top of being bad they aren't even fun to play >6 of the 26 characters are clones >Adventure mode takes a dive in the latter levels
Ethan Kelly
>shit AI >C-Stick unusable in many modes >no remapping >useless tournament mode >shit art style >Jigglypuff >fucked up tiers >Nominee for worst tech in a fighting game >GOAT
Is school in session yet?
Ayden Hill
>shit AI >C-Stick unusable in many modes >no remapping >useless tournament mode Who cares about single player shit? Download 20XX if it matters that much >Jigglypuff Nothing wrong with Fundamentals: The Character. >fucked up tiers Leffen just got top 8 at a 500+ tournament with Mewtwo. >Nominee for worst tech in a fighting game You mean best
Xavier Reyes
>remapping >single player shit >Jigglypuff >Fun and interactive >Mewtwo >Low Tier
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Mason Gray
It's boring especially after playing the N64 bros to death. Gamecube controller sucks too.
Ian Barnes
>play Pikachu >win
Easy
Christopher Mitchell
Anther's ladder bitch
No johns
Zachary Hernandez
Why do captain falcon mains take so much goddamn pride in captain falcon. Like they admire him so much it's disturbing. They always are like dude look at this fucking knee i pulled off it's so amazing. Main look at my combo its astonishing. Holy shit. I 4 stocked that fox main with falcon. He's viable now. I whack off to captain falcon because he's my main in the melees. Well you know what. Shut up. Shut the fuck up. I main marth and sheik and i don't go around telling people i love kawaii swordsmen and ninjas. I'm not like yeah. Marth and sheik are the best characters ever don't hate. If you say marth or sheik sucks i don't care. But you say one bad thing about captain falcon and you triggered someone so hard they have to show their falcon pride so much your eyes bleed. Captain falcon mains need to chill and understand jokes. And that their main is unviable. Fox mains don't even take that much pride. But captain falcon players think they are the most special snowflakes in the world. Take some bleach falcon mains and shut up.
Dominic Robinson
People have legitimately injured their hands over years and years of trying to perfect tech skill.
But to say that's why the skill ceiling is high in Melee is just sorta stupid. It's maybe a skill floor at the higher levels. Like, you're probably not making top 100 if you can't wavedash. But the best players in the world aren't the most technical ones. Westballz has never beaten m2k despite having a fuckkkkkkkkkkkton more tech skill than him.
Here's an example of a player who's around top 5 in his region who uses zero tech skill whatsoever
Melee has the best opening ever made and gave us Project. It's at least one of the greatest games. youtube.com/watch?v=RXs4-M-ZiOg >tfw no PM on wii U sad but sm4sh is still better than brawl.
Joseph Ramirez
>11 characters maybe are viable in competitive play >even then some characters straight up suck in normal play like Bowser or Pichu >arbitrary movement barrier >top tiers have an abundant amount of broken or near-broken shit (i.e. Shine, Shiek's fair, Marth's kit in general) >straight up broken gay shit like wobbling and Battlefield's ledges >only like 5 stages are comp viable nowadays Only fun part of this game that still persists for me is playing as Luigi and wavedashing all over the place and making compbabbies mad because my nair can beat out 99% of the followups any given character has.
Kevin Sanders
What other game's "competitive" crowd demands private hand warming stations from tournaments they were never welcome at in the first place, then boo other games on stream?
Melee "gods" are a bunch of pussies who demand to be floated through pools because it would be unfair for them to risk getting beaten out by a no-name like everyone else.
The game may be fun but everyone attached to it is a little bitch.
Alexander Moore
>who demand to be floated through pools I didn't follow when this happened, but Leffen was the only one I saw demanding that. And I think everyone will agree that Leffen is a whiny bitch.
Levi Harris
Melee is ok at best, but the fucking smash community is worse than almost any other gaming community.
Parker Adams
my favorite game, and probably the only game I'd give 10/10, I'm still playing with friends 15 years later and I don't even go to tourneys
Wyatt Richardson
>Questionable graphics, but not ugly >No real "story" >Repetitive, but fun single player modes >Requires a thinking opponent for both casual and professional multiplayer >Many different ways to play the game >No online (other than Netplay) >No real end to the game other than goals created by the player
I love Melee and enter tournaments and stuff, but I don't think it really stands out as the greatest of all time or anything. It's a very strong game for those who'll keep coming back to it, but it's not going to stand out to every type of player.
Nathan King
>Who cares about single player shit? Download 20XX if it matters that much >mods will fix it I've heard this argument before somewhere
Mason Morgan
You mean for Casualrim?
Jace Rogers
>>outstanding soundtrack with orchestrated favorites and original tracks:
Sorry, but Brawl's soundtrack blows it out of the water. This isn't even a contest. Even the most hardcore Melee compfags agree that Brawl has the best original music in the entire series. Granted, Melee has that kickass BtT theme going for it.
Easton Williams
>waiting a story in a fucking videogame
Gabriel Wood
Hoo boy. Not him, but some of us loved the hell out of SSE. Not everyone plays video games for the competition. Some of us can't stand that aspect, actually. Are you just going to dismiss ALL single-player games or something?
Ryan Campbell
>Random Hit Elements, NBA Jam, Dodgeball, SD Remix, tons of stages, skins, debug options, widescreen support sorry you hate making fun things more fun
Chase Watson
>Not wanting to understand the impetus for the longest piece of fiction ever written
Ayden Kelly
Alex19 isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with fox? Alex puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. mang0 breaks records. Armada breaks records. Alex19 breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
Brayden Clark
>>>/twitchchat/
Mason Perry
It's a dip, you meme
Elijah Gray
I don't like you.
Nobody likes you.
No one from your high school, be it the teachers, or the kids you weren't friends with, or anyone else, remembers you at all.
Nobody you play in Smash Brothers cares about you, and they think you're a joke.
Your friends only like having you around as a human punching bag, and you're so stupid you can't even see that they don't just not respect you, but they have never even liked you at all.
You are NOTHING, and you will never be anything more than THAT.
You don't do well at your job and not only do your superiors know it, but you know it, too.
Shit, since you don't have the money to go to college or even develop a trade, you're just lounging around in a perpetual cycle of lying to make yourself look better and meaningless shallow entertainment.
Yeah, you'll make 40 grand a year playing professional smash, right?
If only you weren't retarded.
Do your mom and dad a favor and just get it over with already. The gun's in your dad's closet, it's for self-defense but you know how to load it.
I'd tell you to drink some to ease the hesitation, but you can't handle your liquor anyways.
Isaac Long
>horrible character balance >port priority actually affects combos and the flow of gameplay but nobody talks about it >players are so defensive of melee that they could be compared to religious zealots >a more balanced version exists (PAL) but everyone plays NTSC It's a great game, but come on.
