The AM2R guy says he's satisfied both technically and artistically. Making no statement of desire to create anew.
So... Why did he spend nearly a decade making a fucking fan game, instead of making an original game? Why spend all your time and effort adding onto someone else's legacy, instead of creating your own? AM2R will forever be a trivial note attached to the history of Metroid. But it will never truly be it's own thing.
With all the patience, drive, and inspiration in the world, what would you create? A fan game? Or something you could call your own?
Matthew Allen
My dream game would simply be impossible to create for a single person even with a lifetime of work.
Carson White
Maybe he just really liked that Metroid game and wanted to make a more updated version?
Maybe he just really likes Metroid?
Maybe he isn't creative enough to create an entirely new game with all new mechanics?
He got a really good job out of it and he's happy that so many people like it. Maybe that's enough for him?
Jace James
I wouldn't have played it if it wasn't called Metroid, and I think he feels the same way about making it
He wanted to make a Metroid game and he made one. How many people can say that? Certainly not you
Gavin Fisher
art for the sake of art exist.
either way this hombre just put something together that is sure to get him tons positive of attention.
You're talking about him right now.
Brandon Clark
Have you considered kickstarter and hiring people maybe even at a distance?
James Lewis
Yeah, I think it was more of a learning experience thing, and a passion project. He's probably working on something original now, or at least I'd like to think so.
Christian Brooks
It's a slap in the face to nintendo who has been wasting and shitting on the metroid series for the last decade and extremely shameful to them for one guy to create something that instantly more people like and praise than the shit they've been putting out.
Nintendo thinks FedFarce is the anniversary game, but it's actually am2r, and you better believe the head shits Sakamoto and miyamoto are mad about it.
Austin King
There is way more than one person in the credits, and I doubt he could gather such a team for a non-profit project for free if it wasn't a homage to something they all like.
And just as I began thinking there can be a Metroid thread without retards.
Thomas Williams
Baldur's Gate and Planescape: Torment are basically fan games, Pillars of Eternity is something entirely new. Now which ones are the better games?
Ryan Lewis
...
Eli Flores
I heard the other user's shtick before. He'll claim his idea is impossible no matter what. Don't bother trying to help him.
Colton Green
Because he wanted it. It was a side project you massive sperg. In that same post ge says he works as a developer.
Jaxon Martin
Axiom Verge says fuck you.
Zachary Evans
Why not create a game akin to Metroid?
>I wouldn't have played it if it wasn't called Metroid Not necessarily true. If happened to see a game that plays almost exactly like Metroid, I think your love for Metroid would make you want to give the game a try at least.
Adrian Morales
I hope he makes more things. Same with the SoRR team.
Jace Gomez
>Axiom Verge is good
Nathan Lee
why do people draw fanart
Henry Ortiz
Undertale started as an Earthbound romhack.
Regardless of your opinion of Undermeme, don't you want to see what game this AM2R turns out as a stepping stone towards?
Kayden Bailey
>the guy says he's satisfied both technically and artistically and does'nt care about making something totally original >so why didn't ghe make something totally original instead, then? What?
Evan Williams
Better analogy is why would someone paint a landscape that's in front of them?
Daniel Lopez
This is why I'm turning my elaborate fanfiction into to an original fantasy setting, but now I'm faced with struggling to make sure it doesn't look like I'm just stealing and I have to balance my ideas/themes. Also, I'm wondering if i should make it a historical fiction (BC Dark age Greece) or just fantasy, because I don't know a lot about Greece
Noah Ward
>And just as I began thinking there can be a Metroid thread without retards. He's right though. Nintendo HAS been squandering the series for nearly decade. Federation Force is indeed not a fan pleasing game, and in no way commemorates the history of the franchise. And the game does shame Nintendo, even if it wasn't developed by literally one guy. The team was still very small. Nintendo could have assembled a team of professionals to do the same job in a much shorter time.
Samuel Wright
It won't turn into anything new because he is done.
Justin Jenkins
I'd probably make a new SWAT game. It would probably be shit
We are never getting SWAT 5
Adam Adams
>In that same post ge says he works as a developer. Yes, note that he is not working for himself, or something that he established in part with others. He is working FOR a company. How can someone be satisfied never creating for themselves? I just don't get it.
Asher Russell
Both bad analogies. Fanart takes anywhere from 2 minutes to 2 days to complete. It's something small and frivolous. Not an entire game.
Jackson Myers
He wanted a good Metroid II remake so he made it in his spare time. Hard to believe people can do things just because they want results, not because of greed or the possibility of fame, huh?
Logan Wood
so he's just walking away from game development? shit even toby fox had original ideas and assets to some extent. this guy is basically saying WELP I DID MY AUTISM PROJECT! TOO BAD I LACK THE TALENT OR MONEY TO TURN THIS INTO A PERMANENT CAREER!
Josiah Hughes
>So... Why did he spend nearly a decade making a fucking fan game
Because practicing art is easy. Practicing creativity is hard. This person is just a fucking retard.
It's like SoundCloud artists who only remix dubstep and hip hop. No creativity, no talent beyond filling in the blanks with industry approved art. It's like a coloring book. You fill in a template and nobody in the entire world cares except you.
Nathan Stewart
I just don't get how someone can be fully satisfied, while not allowing their own creative juices to flow. I mean sure, I guess there is some "creativity" involved in remaking a game. Lot's a decisions need to be made at how to improve system, and add to the lore and all that. But I don't get how creating based on such heavy use of other people's ideas will ever fully satisfy the artistic itch. How can he be done?
Leo Reyes
Mighty no. 9 flashbacks
Matthew Flores
I get doing something only for the results. But I don't get how the results being a Metroid fangame is completely satisfying for him. If I were him, I would take everything I learned, and continue to make something that truly satisfies me. Something personal.
Ayden Wilson
Personally I would agree with you, he could have put all of this effort into making something original he could have profited from, but thats my mindset on a lot of things
Owen Morris
You probably never will, then. Kinda sad but not a big deal.
Hunter Hernandez
Yes but you're an intelligent human being with thoughts that range outside of autism.
Mason Robinson
MN.9 doesn't play like Mega Man though. And we all saw how lack luster the gameplay was from the first demonstration.
Assuming the game actually looks like Metroid, and fun to play, then you'd give it a shot. Anyone with good sense would.
Andrew Cox
What the fuck?
He's saying there are better avenues to express yourself. That this guy is selling his skill short. Not that he literally can't fathom why he did it.
Isaiah Wright
he is basically admitting he can't come up with his own ideas so fuck making anything original. nothing against AM2R but this feels like a bigger idea can come out of this if some effort was put in.
Jordan Edwards
Fan art takes as long as any other type of drawing
Alexander Watson
>I just don't get how someone can be fully satisfied, while not allowing their own creative juices to flow. >I mean sure, I guess there is some "creativity" involved in remaking a game. Lot's a decisions need to be made at how to improve system, and add to the lore and all that. But I don't get how creating based on such heavy use of other people's ideas will ever fully satisfy the artistic itch. How can he be done?
Noone played Metroid 2 outside of some diehard fans. Now AM2R is considered the definitive version of Metroid 2, putting it back into the "must play" part of the series.
I'd think that would be pretty damn fulfilling, taking something you love that was neglected and turning it into a staple of the series.
Luke Morgan
He wasn't interested. He doesn't owe you an original game, stop sperging out.
Parker Cox
Does anybody happen to have a working link for an AM2R download?
Isaac Murphy
Right... Anywhere between 2 minutes and 2 days. It's not comparable to the effort it takes to create something like AM2R.
Ethan Johnson
>Now AM2R is considered the definitive version of Metroid 2
no one will remember it in 3 yrs
Brody Ortiz
>12 years to make a fangame
yeah definitely could have used that time better
Joshua Flores
>He got a really good job out of it What do you mean
Xavier Walker
The actual best example is a coloring book. Why spend years coloring in a whole coloring book when you can draw a book of your own creations
Because it's a Megaman or Pokémon coloring book and you're dedicated to Megaman or Pokémon? The fuck nigger.
Elijah Morales
>Why not create a game akin to Metroid? Because then people call you a hack who just copies successful things
Jace Nguyen
This.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. His dedication to the project is unusual given his lack of ambitions with game development otherwise, but there's no need to fucking prod at it. He didn't make an original game because he wanted to honor Metroid II. That's it.
Juan Russell
Metroid 2 somehow got surprisingly popular, judging by how much it gets talked about.(prior to AM2R of course) i suspect it may have been from people going back and playing the rom.
But anyway. I'm sure making the "definitive" version of the game is highly satisfying. But I think creating your own thing is even more satisfying.
Charles Perez
What did you make? Shitposts and youtube comments?
Tyler Ward
just like how no one talks about SM redesign right?
Luke Smith
>He doesn't owe you an original game
It isn't about entitlement. If you see someone hitting their head against a brick wall you don't feel like they owe it to you to stop doing so, but you get to comment on how stupid it is. Maybe he would enjoy not hitting his head?
>If he wants to hit his head against a wall then that's his choice
Well again, I get to call him stupid.
Justin Rivera
>baseless assertion
Alrighty then senpai, if you already had your mind made up about AM2R why bother posting about it?
It'll be like any old "must play" title: Most people will have played it when it was popular, new kids will ask what titles to play in the series, and someone will post a graphic including AM2R as a recommendation.
What more do you want?
Logan Powell
Why is making a good game stupid just because it's not his IP?
Blake Nguyen
Even you know what you say is retarded and a bad analogy. Why continue?
Brandon Jones
Fucking stop.
This isn't Psycho Waluigi where the creator had an original idea and slapped an established IP on it, this is just a romhack. A good romhack but a romhack nonetheless.
Adrian Gray
>what are torrents??
Samuel Martinez
>Honor a game
Fucking autistic first of all
>Honor a game by changing it in a way the developers didn't intend >Honor a game by not furthering history, but lingering in the past
Full pleb user. Full pleb.
Elijah Reyes
Define "rom hack"
Matthew Torres
because he's basically admitting he can't do anything better.
Jaxon Cox
Everyone gets he wasn't interested. no one thinks he "owes" anyone anything. We're trying to have a discussion about what the heart yearns for, art and creativity. Using the AM2R guy's situation to present a thought provoking dilemma.
You are the one sperging here. Instead of going into defense force mode. Why not offer your personal feelings on the matter. After all, that's the real topic of conversation. You were asked what you would do.
Luis Evans
a game i can actually sell
Zachary Parker
>glorified romhack It's a glorified romhack that's undisputedly better than the original
Feel free to be a faggot elsewhere.
Elijah Garcia
>Even you know what you say is retarded and a bad analogy. Why continue?
That's your retarded opinion you stupid douche.
>Why is making a good game
Make?
Aaron Howard
>be fan of series >every game in said series either holds up or had a remake, except metroid 2 >decide to remake metroid 2
not a hard decision
Christopher Campbell
>So... Why did he spend nearly a decade making a fucking fan game, instead of making an original game? Why spend all your time and effort adding onto someone else's legacy, instead of creating your own? AM2R will forever be a trivial note attached to the history of Metroid. But it will never truly be it's own thing. >AM2R will forever be a trivial note attached to the history of Metroid. But it will never truly be it's own thing. Fucking kek. This is probably mostly bait but here's your biter: no one cared about Metroid 2 before this came out; guarantee most people in AM2R threads never played M2 until AM2R gave them a reason to (ie to compare) - fuck that guarantee MOST people who ever played a Metroid game never bothered with M2. Even fucking Nintendo didn't give a shit about it (never properly remade or ported or even coloured it). No one will ever say "oh yeah AM2R, that pointless remake of M2" instead it's going to live on as the definitive M2 until Nintendo does a full remake and expansion lol
Jaxson Carter
How so?
Henry Mitchell
>quote baseless assertion then make one yourself
Nathan Evans
You're still doing it. It's very obviously multiple other people's opinions. You really should just walk away.
Lincoln Lee
so you're admitting I'm right and that the AM2R guy can't lore his way into a gorillion dollars because COMING UP WITH ORIGINAL IDEAS IS HAAAAAAAARD?
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Jayden Jenkins
>no one will remember it in 3 yrs
>Saying shit like this on a vidya board where people routinely ask about fan missions in long old an ddead series like Thief.
Are you retarded?
Ethan Collins
>We're trying to have a discussion about what the heart yearns for, art and creativity. No you're not. This is a thread about not getting why a guy would do something he likes doing.
Ethan Clark
>once in a blue moon threads means its popular guise!
Chase Diaz
>man this goal post is light as a feather!
Mason Brooks
That's not what he said at all. Take your shitty fallacies and leave, you aren't wanted.
Xavier Brown
either two things
>he lacks the talent to do something original
>he lacks the drive to something original
Kayden Martinez
>You're still doing it. It's very obviously multiple other people's opinions. You really should just walk away.
You're fucking garbage at this. I'm obviously not swayed by your idiotic whining, and unfortunately for you, it's not because I'm retarded. Are you sure you're achieving what you want through this? Do you want to reword so it's more effective? You can try again.
Bentley Gutierrez
I don't understand your argument, noone was claiming he invented the Metroid series.
You don't have to be hyper "make everything from scratch including the subatomic particles for the atoms that form the neurons that fire to form original ideas" to make an objectively definitive version of a game.
You seem rather assmad about someone being creative and enjoying it, your life must be pretty shit desu
Xavier Brown
when the fuck was the last time someone talked about Thief here other than to bitch about the reboot?
Daniel Lewis
You're still doing it.
Connor Carter
>Why spend all your time and effort adding onto someone else's legacy, instead of creating your own?
Not to get all philosophical here, but civilization is a continuum of people building off each other's work. You're always going to be adding onto someone else's legacy in one way or another.
Evan Scott
>copy paste established game >creative
he did a good job imo but kek if you really think that.
Matthew Rodriguez
Everyone can understand it on an intellectual level. You're not so smart that everyone else is too retarded to understand but you. However, it's difficult to understand on an emotional level. Because I, and many others, who which to express themselves artistically wish to do so on a personal level. And While fanart is nice(I draw the stuff myself), nothing is ever as satisfying as seeing people appreciate my own creations.
Nathaniel White
How did you reach that conclusion?
Jack Hernandez
so in the grand scheme of things he is no better than a fanfic writer? got it!
Landon Murphy
because it was only available on GameBoy. Not GBA, not DS, not even GameBoy Color, but the fucking brick GameBoy.
Eli Richardson
>Saying shit like this on a vidya board where people routinely ask about fan missions in long old an ddead series like Thief.
>routinely
oh, so once every year?
Tyler Barnes
hownew.ru
Literally every week there is a post about "must play" Thief fan missions.
Sure is butt bojangled up in here
Michael Taylor
>No you're not. This is a thread about not getting why a guy would do something he likes doing.
Or maybe it's discussing options, and believing one option would have been better than another.
The fact that someone chose an option doesn't make the other one inferior.
"Oh wow how could somebody think he could have used his time more wisely? This couldn't possibly be information we can use to improve our own lives, these guys are just gay lol stop whining"
Cameron Richardson
You lost steam real fast. I win. :^)
Brody Hughes
asspull and moon logic obviously
Chase Parker
You're still doing it.
Hudson Murphy
>this is just a romhack
You are aware that this game is programmed in C# with an entirely bespoke engine, correct?
Dominic Collins
Isn't he Argentinian?
He probably has to take a dev job to pay his parents and other family's bills so they don't rot in the fucking streets with the monkeys
Matthew Ross
>I don't get how creating based on such heavy use of other people's ideas will ever fully satisfy the artistic itch. creating is always based on heavy use of other peoples ideas.
Nathaniel Roberts
That's a good comparison.
Actually a fan fiction writer comes up with scenarios and stuff. This is a new paint job.
Jaxon Price
what did he mean by this?
Grayson Lewis
In the grand scheme of things no one is better than a fanfic writer, so you should judge the artist on the merit of his creation, not some romanticized idea of true originality.