Thoughts?

Now that the dust has settled, I think we can all agree on this, right Sup Forums?

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But what you expected is literally what you got

I don't see the joke here

No Ridley on the Smash 5 roster, no buy. Not saying that'd impact them in any way, just that I have no interest in any more Sakurai Bros unless he's playable.

Scarflard is still relevant?

The singleplayer was the worst in the series but other than that it's great.

he wins literally every tournament

You forgot rolling non-stop and magnet ledges

>But what you expected is literally what you got

I think you've got smash 4 mixed with Project M.

I pretty much fully agree, but Smashbabies are still delusional.

I'm just waiting for mods to save the game.

He got rekt by a Megaman last time, and tried to tier whore into Cloud. He literally plays the top 2, Diddy Kong, Cloud, and Sheik, and still got fucking rekt my a fucking Megaman. Scarflard deserves all the shame he gets.

He's a jobber now

3DS version was a mistake.

Smash Tour was a mistake.

For Glory was a mistake.

Magnetic ledges were a mistake.

How is it that ONE character in a fan mod with limited resources designed by a ragtag group of a dozen amateurs done in their spare tine, manages to be better designed than all the newcomers in a full fledged game done by a large team of experienced professionals who are paid to build and design those characters?

Because fans who actually played the game for over a decade often-times end up knowing more than the developer who probably moved on to play different games.

Because you are horribly wrong on all counts

Underrated

>jump momentum

Except I'm not.

Name one Smash 4 character that is better designed than Knuckles. Ryu doesn't count as he's literally ripped from SFIV

op u silly ;)

this topic brings back memories

How is he wrong? PMDT was like 12 dudes working on their free time, like 3 hours a day.

Smash 4 dev team was over 100 people, including people from Monolith Soft, as well as Namco. And they had a large pool of resources.

PM wound up having better overall content and is more fun than Smash 4. Hell, had it not been shut down by NoA, it probably still be getting more updates today.

I want to see a Smash 4 babby defend this, one game is clearly far more engaging, has actual consequences with no second and fourth and seventh chances at getting back onstage, and actually moves at a pace fit for developed humans. Smash 4 panders to shitty players at every chance, Melee says the sky is the limit and lets you loose.

This is painfully accurate.

because you're lying to yourself

anyone who thinks 4 is better than Melee is legitimately delusional.

Project M's Ryu played more like a Street Fighter character who was put into Smash than Ryu desu.

Ryu in Smash 4 feels like an abomination.

> Ryu doesn't count as he's literally ripped from SFIV
PFFT OK THEN!

>Project M's Ryu
Project M's Lucario

Ok. Looks like I'm right then. Thanks for conceding user.

Buttmad Tr4shbaby fans. Defend THIS

>Literally ripped from SFIV
Fuck no he wasn't.
>Ryu cannot parry in SFIV
>Ryu cannot preform Donkey Kick (Forward Smash) in SFIV
>Smash Ryu cannot use SF4 Ryu's HP, MP, LK, C.LP, or C.MP
>Smash Ryu doesn't have access to any of SF4 Ryu's close attacks
>Smash Ryu only has 4 of SF4 Ryu's 12 air moves.
>Dashing A, Up throw, and Down Throw are new moves, unique to Smash Ryu, that no other version of Ryu possesses.
>Ryu cannot FADC in Smash 4, even though he does have a focus attack
>Smash Ryu does not have any EX moves other than Hadouken

>No second, fourth, seventh chances
>Webm shows toon link clearly fucked after not pulling a bomb after walking straight into fox's edgeguard
do your eyes work?
also this toon link is fucking awful

Ryu can FADC in Smash 4. It's like his main gimmick.

nigga you gone full retard? maybe play some goddamn fighting games instead of some party game so you can stop pretend to know what your talking about. or maybe you need some glasses so you can tell its not the same model that they use in SF4.
thanks user for listing that for this retard

i think he means FADC in the same way in SF4 where you can cancel any normals and specials, while in sm4sh you can only dash cancel out of a FA.

bump

Because
1. You're lying to yourself
2. The fans don't have deadlines to keep
3. The fans don't have the people who own the character looking over their shoulder
4. The fan created character never made it into the game now did he?
He did beat Ally in Endgame, and won grand finals against M2K

Here is your defence

The first part of the webm is for glory while the second part is not.

>le epin spike kill

Smash 4 'hype' in a nutshell

so much delicious butthurt.

But when a ken combo happends you just lose your shit right?

I don't get it user, this is still slower than Melee, nowhere near as hype, took way less skill as he just Daired twice, and relied mostly on luck from the Gordo.

What were you trying to prove exactly?

Difference
>ken combo is intentional and requires actual effort and practice with the setup
>that webm was falcon mashing down on his c-stick and hitting dedede's projectile by accident, then hitting him

>implying fox isnt mashing down-b as hard as he can

>wave-shining
>masing down-b

If you mash down-b, the reflector just won't do anything.

You are all white people who need to be shot.

what happens if you mash down on the c-stick numbnuts

>le ebin shine kill
Melee "hype" in a nutshell
>What were you trying to prove exactly?
That you're a man who has no idea what he is talking about
I learned from the best

Debating with a meleefag is futile.
Unless your game is a literal copy of melee with a overpowered fox they wont stop shitting at it.

>fox only
>final destination
sums up memelee just about right

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you get the down-aerial attack.

>play's maylay
>takes 8 minutes to reply to a fundamental question

I'm not always going to be replying instantly.

but what about your god like reactions from your melee

Wii Fit Trainer is a perfect example of using Yoga poses to fight, albeit with odd hitboxes. Mega Man feels impeccably Mega Man like, to the point Sm4sh Mega Man is better designed than MvC2 Mega, and I main Mega in MvC2 and have played and beaten every Mega Man game sans the MM vs SF game. Cloud may have a few things missing I would have added, but giving him his sword techniques over materia and summons was pretty damn brilliant. DHTrio is a wacky and amazingly integrated triad of unweildyness. They may not be good but they perfectly encapsulate old Light gun games. Greninja feel like a stealthy swift Ninja ass kicking glass cannon. I would argue every single newcomer, and especially WFT, Ryu, and MM are better designed than any previous Smash newcomer with the exception of G&W who was designed so well.

Lucina, Dark Pit, Palutena, Mii's, Charizard a shit though.

Fuck, to that end, the newcomers are all better designed than the original 12. There's so much stuff to draw from these days and Sakurai still keeps their shitty 64/Melee bases for everyone. And for people he reworks he draws no inspiration from actual source material. fucking look at Ganon after all these years.

That webm really isn't helping your case dude. The better player got beaten by the scrub using a campy move. Pretty much sums up why Smash 4 is a poorly designed game. Skill doesn't matter when the roster is littered with camp moves. Players are forced to play defensively and take few risks if they wanna win, which is why Zero was top dog, cause he's the campiest of the mofos out there.

Yeah, but Knuckles is still much better balanced and designed than everything you mentioned.

Not saying those characters aren't good, but comparatively, Knuckles had a lot more thought put into his design, and it shows.

>campy move
I don't think you know what "campy" means

Campy can mean a lot of things user. I would have figured you'd have contextual awareness, but I guess that's too much to ask for.

>stops using Diddy as much after the hoo hah nerf
>completely lost after Sheik gets nerfed
>tries to tier whore Cloud, fucks up because he doesn't realize he's just Little Mac with a sword
>starts losing locals
>starts losing majors
>loses his fiance when the money dries up
>loses his dumbass scarf
>getting bodied for free by diabetes
This is how karma works.

yes it was fucking disappointing. But at least it is better than brawl.

Still bitter about Wolf and IC being out and fucking Dark Pit, Dr Marui and Lucina being in

Dude melee is fucking shit.

did he really loose her fiance?

Lucina desparately needs a decloning. Project X Zone 2 & Codename Steam proved she could have an interesting moveset and not be regulated to a Marth clone, it was just Sakurai getting a little lazy while he worked on his garbage Monopoly minigame.
Frankly, it gets me rustled when I see drop lists that involve Lucina but opt for keeping Roy in.

No, he's better balanced for PM. Everyone in PM is a gimmick designed around Melee Fox. That's not Balance, that's giving everyone touch of death. There isn't a single unique or interesting character in PM playstyle because everyone pretty much has the same tactic: Get in after some footsies, combo starter hit confirm, Combo and hope they don't SDI out of your character's particular Kiss of death gimmick.If this were not Smash physics, you'd realize just how terrible PM is actually balanced. They have massively emphasised strengths in a few areas that are designed to cover their 'weaknesses' but those strengths instead often lead to their entire playstyle revolving around maybe 4 moves out of a possible 40+ moveset. There's no Camper in PM. There's no Grappler. There is only rushdowns.

Lucina, Corrin, and Dark Pit all need to be cut.

Fuck 'decloning her' give us an actually interesting fighter instead.

>better player
>le pikachu meme player of le fast aerials and resets
>against a fucking ganondorf
>"campy move"
>literally a read on pikachus teleport which has a gorillion different possible angles

You're a shitter aren't you?

>Corrin needing to be cut
>getting rid of that awesome moveset
No.

Sakurai getting a little lazy? Sakurai is the laziest developer ever and it really shows.

The better player made one fault and got caught by a Ganondorf who basically said "fuck it" and did a suicide bomb.

I wouldn't even call it a punish, but just a read. If that Ganondorf failed, he would have lost his stock just like he was about to anyway.

And that is what makes it extremly fun and universally loved. The fact that everyone got so many cool and powerful tools like melee fox makes the game exciting. Also there is literally nothing wrong with all characters being rushdown. Campers and grapplers are extremly shitty and boring archetypes that belongs in shitty unbalanced games like street fighter.

I don't get it. What did you get?

You've never played PM. Hell, you've never played fighting games.

Go play Guilty Gear XX, and tell me how many 'campers' you actually have. Venom and Dizzy might be ranged characters, but they sure as well don't spam projectiles and run away.

And NO Smash game has a pure grappler, just like no Smash game has a pure Counter-based character, because Sakurai is a hack.

At least PM did a good job at helping characters capitalize on their strengths.

Meanwhile in Smash 4, every character is literally:
>shield grab
>down throw
>utilt, utilt, utilt, utilt, utilt (fuck, even Sup Forums thinks this shit is spam, won't let me post your ''combo'')
>up b
>smash attack
>win
or some variation of that. WOW, WHAT SKILL. And every character has insanely buffed recovery and the game engine is slow and floaty as fuck. Don't blame the game because you perceive every character as rushdown cause your reflexes are too slow. Then again, you sound like the kind of retard who'd say that every character in GGXX is just a variant of Chipp or Sol.

Lemme give you some advice, stick to your party game, but don't pretend to know fuckall about fighting games when defending the shit job that is Smash 4. Even Sakurai has come out and said that Smash4 isn't competitive, and that he didn't design it as a fighting game as ''there are other games like that already'' and that people who wanna play a fighting game, should play Melee, and by extention, this also applies to PM.

Now shut the fuck up you retarded Sm4shbaby. Go back to beating children in FG with Utilt locks, flowcharts, and campy moves while you pretend to be good at fighting games.

>awesome
Are you 13? Corron's moveset is an utterclusterfuck or OP, geberic self-insert asspulls.

indeed
dorf is unwordable

>press side b off the ledge to win
>lel, it's read
Tr4shbabies everyone

>getting rid of one of the most fun & unique fighters in the game
>namely one of the FE characters who uses dragon shit more than their sword
>meanwhile keeping Roy, a shittier clone of Marth, & asking for Lyn, another boring sword character
Go play PM, that might be more to your liking.

Damn son. Fukken rekt.

>Corrin
>not boring as fuck to use and fight
pick one

>all this PMfag delusion
How can this fanbase out nygger sonyggers?

I'm a fucking SF2, SF3, KoF, and MvC player you moron. I even pointed out earlier I play MvC2 MM as one of my team Mains.

>Corrin
Confirmed for meme spewing fag.

>Oh boy, I finally found an oppurtunity to parrot those opinions from that "viable Kirby" video I just watched!
cool

>boring as fuck to use
I don't know what character you're playing as then. Feels good doing Dragon Fang Shot, Dragon Lunge, & the down aerial on other players.

>it's another meleefags trying to stay relevant thread

It's 2016 you fuckers. Let it die.

Sure you are, you fucking scrub. You clearly know fuck all about fighting games.

>wanting projectile-based characters in a smash game
fucking tr4sh babbies
the game is so fucking campy and defensive it actually makes me mad playing it

why do you keep posting webms in slo mo

woops, my post was referring to

We will let melee die when sakurai gives us what we want, a PROPER melee sequal not that garbage tr4sh.

>Lyn
>interesting
Please describe what she could bring to the table that another katana-based character like Takamaru or Samurai Goroh couldn't.

>Feels good spamming an op projectile that travels the whole stage, comes out fast, does a ton of damage, can KO, and stuns, the hitting my foes with my super long range side Smash or by Dragon Lunge.
It's no wonder you're a scrub

Corrin is easy as fuck to use, and takes no skill. Anyone can spam B dude. It's literally boring as fuck. I love rekking spammy Corrin mains such as yourself with Link. Seeing all yoyr bullshit be totally ineffective to a bomb spam, and then leave all butthurt and in tears is great.

Corrin is legit a poorly designed character. He's just a mishmash of powerful moves thrown togther with little reason or flow. Once you learn to get past his OP bullshit, it's easy to beat Corrin mains. I t also doesn't help that Corrin far overtook Roy in being the worst FE protag to date. Bad character, bad fighter.

Complain about Lyn all you want, but a battousai is legit fun to use. See, any katana character ever. Or just play MGR.

Incidentally, I wasn't defending Sm4sh either so you're 0 for 2. It's a slow boring game with very few options for movement. That doesn't mean Melee or PM are much better, because now instead of a rigid tier list there is a clusterfuck of middleweights, and everyone instead of having some good options and some situational ones, are now all super good options and good ones. There are no real downsides to not mixing it up at lower % in PM. Melee Fox Shine isn't the move you should balance a game around.
0 for 3 because Kirby has never been viable outside 64
Whatever helps you maintain your pitifully small erection.
Smash is precisely the sort of game where Projectile characters can be given a bit more free reign due to its unusual physics and platform options. In most 2D's a projectile waller is unviable because you either need to let them fill the screen with so much gunfire opponents who don't understand the game can't get in or you make them underwhelming and lead to CQC combo variants being more effective than actually trying to use their walling techniques. Parasoul from Skullgirls comes to mind.

She got a bow and is a female character.

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>op projectile that travels the whole stage
Confirmed for never playing Corrin.
>complains about spam
>plays Link
No please, keep going.

>says stupid shit to defend a shit game
>gets absolutely rekt
>I-I wasn't even defending Smash you r-retard

You sure are lucky we're anonymous aren't you?

Online play is fucking awful in smash 4. The game is so defensive and boring. Dodge roll is too fucking good, it has too many invincibility frames and too few recovery frames. It's too easy to recover from any %, only time anyone is gonna die cuz they can't make it back to the stage without a gimp is if they ended up beneath the stage, and even then that's only some of the characters. Everything is floaty as hell, even heavy characters feel like they weigh nothing while in air. Ledge grabbing is too forgiving also unnerfed bayonetta existed, what a fucking nightmare