Anyone played the PTR? This fucker will still be viable after the nerfs right...

Anyone played the PTR? This fucker will still be viable after the nerfs right? He's so fun I don't want the Zen meta to ever end ;_;.

>the fun supports are the ones who need a supplementary healer to keep up

It takes longer to 1v1 tanks now. That's literatly the only thing different. Play him more cautiously around larger HP heroes and you'll be fine.

Why would it take longer to 1v1 a tank? They buffed his primary to deal basically the same amount of damage on a discorded target even after orb of discord was nerfed.

He will stil be viable.

The only fun healers are the ones that can't actually heal? You don't say.

He's still great and arguable better than Mercy

it's the opposite of this actually

discord was nerfed so you're teammates do less damage, but zen's primary is buffed to compensate

i think zen does like 0.2% less damage now, which is negligible

Zenyatta is my boi, I can't not ever play him.

They buffed his base damage to be unchanged when attacking a hero solo with the discord debuff. What you're describing is a textbook nocebo effect.

Let's just look at the numbers man.

Originally
Base damage: 45 per hit, 90dps
W/Discord: (45*.5) = 67.5 per hit or 135dps

After July 12
Base damage 40, 80dps
W/Discord: 60, 120dps

With the new patch
Base Damage: 46, 92dps
W/Discord: 59.8, 119.6 dps

He still deals less damage than his heyday, but he's still basically dealing out the same amount of damage that he's had recently. The difference is your own team's damage.

Now I personally feel that 30% may be a little low, but I understand that they want to bring Zenyatta and Mercy's damage boosting a little more in line, so we'll just have to see if it works.

Thats because you're a cunt who can't play an actual healer. Little bitch.

He's still way too fucking powerful for a support, so yes. Yes he is.
Mercy is still trash, in case anyone cares.

>Stand around people to heal
>Press E to heal harder

wow a true test of skill

Mercy is mostly trash because her core healing mechanism requires manual attention, while Lucio (heals) and Zen (discord) have abilities that benefit the entire team at once with little effort. Mercy also literally can't kill people while healing, while Lucio, Zen, and Ana all can.

Mercy's comparatively weak healing is supposed to be made up for by being able to Rez, but since she keeps dying, it's unreliable.

>the best healers are ones that aren't actually healers
>heal without realizing it
>jump around firing and pushing people off ledges
>8k healing
>"Wow I'm such a good healer!"

Not to mention she has to waste her ult reviving one person at a time, barring huge wipes. So usually Mercy's are too terrified of using the ult for it to benefit anyway.

May work differently if rezzing only one person brought the ult to 50% charge.

Either way, her kit is really shitty compared to healers that can heal without realizing it.

He's fine. They balanced discord to favor damage from Zenyatta while not being instant death due to team damage. It made no sense that you could +50% damage for the entire team when they wouldn't allow Mercy to have +50% damage for a single teammate.

I meant more Mercy, since Lucio is basically the defense healer, while Zen is the offense hero. Mercy I'd say is the only true healer in the game right now.

This guy has the idea. Mercy is constantly shafted just because she has a decent rez (That is entirely reliant on both your team and the enemy team).

Zen can heal, damage boost the entire team, and deal damage at once. Heal also has longer range.
Lucio can heal the entire team or speed boost them, with a heal burst that almost matches Mercy's healing for practicality, while dealing damage, having mobility that is independent, and having a knockback.
Ana has longest ranged heal, highest single target healing, can in one ability heal, boost healing, deal damage, and negate healing entirely, shut down enemies, and deal damage.
Fuck even Symmetra's ult does almost the same thing as Mercy while she can do massive damage, buff HP (Even if it is very minor), and make deathrooms/surveillance cameras.

Mercy has decent single target healing, movement based entirely on if your allies are visible or died somewhere you could see them (And if you're too close you basically stand still), has to stop healing/buffing to deal damage (Which isn't that bad, could be worse), has an ult that needs your team to die very close together and at about the same time without you dying too. Plus her damage boost is the worst considering Zen has the same amount and basically applies it to the entire team while healing and dealing damage.

The fuck Blizzard. Why do they hate Mercy so fucking much?

Forgot to mention: Mercy's squishy as hell and slow without a team, but even then she has to be in the middle of the fucking fight to heal!

No you dumbass, do the fuckign basic math.

his biggest problem was his health and thats it. He will still be godly because he can actually stick around enough to do anything. His personl DPS doesn't matter it's his global discord team dps that matters so I don't believe him like like 10dps is going to matter much overall.

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It was actually a double buff as the hitbox reversal also affected him.

Blizzard's Overwatch has said they're aware of Mercy's predicament. They were playing around with giving her a new ability and buffing her heal beam in the meantime. Hopefully something comes of it, Despite playing a healer, I have like a 16000 record heals with Lucio but like 12000 with Mercy despite having more hours with her. I had a 15000 record in the Beta but they probably nerfed her.

It really isn't a hard fix, make the beam heal and damage boost at the same time. Make her guardian angel work through walls and last longer so you don't stop a half mile away from a dead body, makes it a better escape plan. Give her a long cooldown healing pulse that just bursts out a shit ton of health, including to herself.

the changes mean if you play zenyatta mondatta you have to hit the broadside of a barn once in a while, his discord change to 30% mostly applies to the others in your team dealing damage but oningo boingo himself can still raise hell since his normal shots got a damage increase.

>Make her guardian angel work through walls
And how do you justify this ? Even a guy who can transform into a ghost can't walk through walls.

She doesn't go through the walls, but you can dash in their direction. So say the Dva just ran away from the fight, everyone else is dead on the ground and you have no rez. Odds are that Dva just fucks off and leaves you to die by going over a ledge. Now you dash up and get slide up the ledge to catch her. Or you just move quickly to someone coming back from spawn or running away and get displaced real quick giving you some chance of survival.

I think you need to recheck your math it adds up to almost exactly the same.

The basic math of it is that before he was doing 60 damage before to a discorded enemy and now he's doing 61 on his own.

So it's generally accepted that Zen >Lucio > Ana > Mercy

Right?

I think Lucio still has the upperhand, but the rest is right

After the patch it will be:

Zen>Mercy>Lucio>Ana

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>Lucio is basically the defense healer

How it is possible to be this wrong is beyond me.

Glad I have this filtered. Don't even need to see it to know that it's a webm of autism.

Wait, did they nerf him AGAIN?

Zen offers damage both for his team and from himself
Lucio offers movement speed boosts and the ability to heal more than one target at once

I think they're both equally good for different reasons.

Stop posting your shitty webm. It isn't entertaining. It has never been entertaining. It will never magically become entertaining.

But he really wants those upvotes

He wants (You)s and gave him one like a first time imageboard visitor. baka senpai

>Glad I have this filtered.
>replies anyways

Move aside for a new meme

>Both the times I've got 10 commendations I was playing Zen

coincidence?

Defensive in his mechanics, he doesn't do damage like Zen does but he enables quick set ups and dodging, with his healing being best when the team is grouped up in the same area, more common on defense than attack.

Where a Zen can lead the charge and get kills, Lucio gets the team there first and sets up.

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>Match near end
>PASS INTO LE IRIS in the distance

A better solution would be to remove the cooldown completely, or let Mercy fly wherever she wants

the difference in damage is 59.8 to 60.

Why would you leave a powerful weapon in the open with minimal security?

Take it from someone with hundreds of hours in Mercy.

A 30% damage boost is worthless. It doesn't decrease time to kill for anyone but shit like Bastion or 76.

McCree still has to hit them twice.
Reinhardt still has to hit them three times
Roadhog still instagibs
Pharah still has to land two direct hits
Both Hanzo and Widow still have to get one headshot or two bodyshots.

This.

Zen is either going to be dropped hard in favor of Ana or Mercy or kept around for his ult. Discord orb is now useless.

A 30% boost on one character is worthless. A 30% team boost focused on a single high priority target that you can switch whenever you want is still very much useful.

Keep healslutting the Roadhog helping the enemy build ult as I keep this gold in damage, elims, and healing when i save your dumbasses with my ult.

>healslut is mad another healslut actually has a cute daddy to heal
LMAOOOOO

Its worthless on Mercy not on Zen, mercy has to be a worthless shit to boost, zen can still heal and damage people while discord is happening.

You're a fucking idiot.

Not really. Most DPS characters in this game deal around the same amount of damage per shot. It isn't decreasing TTK at all. All it realistically does is make it slightly harder to heal through the damage.

All I said was that discord sucked now, not that Zen sucked as a whole.

Discord still doesn't suck, you are still an idiot.

Explain how it doesn't suck. Explain what it actually does. Using actual numbers and not just memes.

I think Mercy need some sort of stasis ability, something like Mei, with weak aoe healing, to help her survive surprise aoe shitfest. Or make her ult able to res yourself.

you're a fucking moron. even after the mercy buff ana still heals 50% more while supplying way more utility. mercy will still be the worst healer. she is irredeemable garbage

It increases all incidental damage and makes the target whatever it is easier to kill for an entire team. Providing numbers is pointless, its 30% increased damage from all sources unlike Mercy where its just 30% for ONE target's damage.

If you want numbers apply 30% to every single characters everything and realize that if more than one target slaps the dude once they are dead with less investment than if one person was doing all the work.

Once again, you're an idiot.

Not that guy, but a 30% increase of damage is still pretty good. Honestly you'll only see the 20% different on high damage characters. Most of the cast does damage around the same area, meaning they'll only lose a small amount of damage. According to this he only lose .4 dps, and .2 damage per shot. With higher damage characters, you may see around 4-5 damage maybe. However you're supposed to focus discorded enemies, so you really won't see a difference.

>mfw keeping a Hog alive to 1v2 zaryas while entire team fucks off to chase a genji
>able to nanoboost every minute or so if pocketing a tank

Ana really is the best single target healer. Mercy is irredeemable shit even after the buff.

This guy has it. Thats the difference between Mercy and Zen

Zen lets the entire team deal more damage, the edge of a 76 rocket knocks them down low enough for someone else to one shot. Numbers on paper don't mean shit in game, not everyone you find will be at full health and only being shot at by you.

Which is fucking depressing considering she is supposed to be the one hero for it. People still cry out though she's got her ult. Even though it is fucking useless too.

Forgot to say thats only if you're just 1v1 every discorded enemy. Ideally everyone is supposed to focus down on them, so the extra 30% matters the most. Compare that to mercy who increases the damage of 1 target, which is truly negligible at times.

What if Discord could be removed if the target gets 80 healing, or the equivalent if they're fully healed?

That's stupid. And you can already get rid of it by standing behind a wall for a tiny bit.

>d. Va way shittier than rein and zarya
>she gets nerfed

Fixed fits better, since tapping the shield was more effective than just holding it.

This. 30% defense debuff to a Tracer is still going to allow half that cast to oneshot her.
>McCree (headshot)
>Widow
>junkrat
>pharah
>hanzo
>symmetra
>etc.

I don't know why they thought 50% more damage on a single target was too much. I know that a bossted McCree can one shot headshot 200 hp characters, but that already happens to a discorded squishy which is even better than being boosted.

They should honestly turn Mercy's damage boost into a shield with a cooldown or something. Maybe the shield increases as you charge with a cap? Would stay in line with her being the most "attentive" healer.

30% is good enough for an near instant damage amp for the whole team. 50% is too much, hello one shots. I'm amazed they didn't learn from mercy being 50% twice.

It's near instant, no cooldown and 30% damage amplification for everyone hitting the target. He can throw this out at whoever and whenever while suffering no loss to his own dps or heal. Mercy on the other hand have to channel her damage amp (which means no heal) and it's only applicable for one person on the team.

Zenyatta is still probably going to be up there with lucio as the best secondary support simply because his kit is too nuts.

>you can get rid of it by moving away from the fight for several seconds, leaving your team undermanned and the objective vulnerable in an objective-based team game

I know it'll still oneshot tracer, i just feel that people freak the fuck out over 20%, when in reality you won't see a difference. If anything, all the 20% did was adjust his damage against tankier targets, and even then it will be somewhat rare (extreme ranges). It'll just give them enough time to shield up or heal up really.

>Ana really is the best single target healer. Mercy is irredeemable shit even after the buff.

skill should be rewarded. Her healing suck ass if you can't aim properly and even good people will miss a shot every once in a while. Mercy is a little easier to stay alive as because of flying and her healing is more reliable. Only thing keeping Ana back is her ultimate honestly. Zen and lucio ulti is simply too good to pass up along with their other abilities both ana and mercy fall short.

the whole game just revolves around zenyatta and lucio and it's gay.
the whole game is gay due to this they both need to be nerfed. I'm glad zen is at least.

It's still really good but 50% was too much. 1/4th of any characters hp on a no cooldown and almost instant ability is a bit ridiculous.

>I'm glad zen is at least.

at least what? Mercy and Ana is still worse than lucio and zenyatta.

Except its not skill based. Ana's darts are fucking titanic, and scoped in you have a spread the size of Bastion's for your healing shots to hit. I'm shit with aim and I heal tons as Ana, more than I can as Mercy.

Mercy doesn't have an easier time staying alive either you fucking troglodyte. Her flying is entirely based on the team being in a good place, Ana just has to aim her sleep dart or hit a couple shots with a grenade.

what if mercy could overheal like the medic

People would complain she is too strong.

Filthy new player here

When is the best time to activate Zen's ult? Last time I did it was to avoid our team getting wiped from a Zarya/Genji ult combo but we ended up getting mowed down by a Reaper shortly afterward. I keep thinking that I'm not timing it right.

You're doing exactly right. You're just getting outplayed by the ults when yours is just one. That's why comp teams like to run Lucio and Zenyatta.

You can only do so much with it. Practically nullifying two of the strongest ults in the game is good enough.

You did right there. They blew 3 ults and you countered 2. Can't counter everything

>hurr I don't have to apply numbers to prove a damage boost is worth it or not
Not how it works nigger.
Vast majority of DPS heroes deal over 100 damage per shot. A 30% increase in damage does not help them kill faster at all. They all die from 2 hits from any combination of heroes regardless of whether it's boosted by 30% or not.

You're the idiot here.

You're doing it right, problem is your team probably sucks if they got mowed down by a Reaper afterwards and having a 2nd support that has a lifesaver ult (like Lucio) really helps

>what if mercy weren't shit
people already complain about her incessantly and, now just imagine if she were actually good

still though, imagine how retarded things would get if some of these characters had tons of health

>Her flying is entirely based on the team being in a good place

oh yes literally impossible.

>Ana just has to aim her sleep dart or hit a couple shots with a grenade

perfectly applicable and doable in ANY situation whatsoever against any character

I guess zenyatta can simply discord and kill anyone in 2 hits by just headshotting the enemy too. That's even easier than ana!

Wew, there's a lot of characters that has an easy time when you have perfect aim and a 1v1 situation, strange that.

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he's right though, mercy is boiled ass
her ult doesn't even come close to making up for how shit her everything else is

Mercy has no defense to prevent death in a full on team fight situation (which happens a lot) and any competent flanker is going to kill her first, either her team has to direct attention away from their own matchup and help her or she dies because she can't heal and defend herself. And she doesn't have anything to protect herself to rez the team in a teamwipe situation (graviton surge ult combo), whereas lucio and Zen can counter it completely.

It often feels like a 5v6 with a Mercy on our team even when I play Ana since I usually heal distant enemies before Mercy can fly to them and I heal tanks a lot faster than her.

So someone please explain why people pick her over Ana so often?

i'm not saying mercy is good at all (if you could read you would've known this) but she has some advantages over the others, however it's obviously not enough to make her a viable choice over the other.

Also coming up with retarded scenarios doesn't mean shit. Unless the faggot can provide me footage of someone sleep darting and killing rank 75+ genji with ADHD every time then i'll believe him.

this so much
she doesn't get to use her ult in a meaningful way most of the time because has to survive the onslaught, which she can't because her defense is shit

she requires zero effort and everyone wants potg with her stupid ress.

You people realize he's only doing it because it makes you mad right? You're falling for the bait.