Street Fighter V

HOW do I get better? I'm a bronze shitter that can't do anything but fluctuate between bronze and super bronze. I keep losing matches when I can clearly see what the other guy is trying to do but I keep making mistakes and failing executions and I let them beat my ass.

Last match was a mirror match that started out with me stomping the guy, but then it's like he just went into hyper defensive mode and waited for me to make mistakes and I left myself open every single time. Do I legitimately need to memorize frame data charts for every character to be able to put up a fight? I'm going to a local on the 26th and I can't do this shit.

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Play Mika

Slow it down and actually watch what your opponent is doing. You need to practice your punish combos along with your hit confirm combos so much that you can pull them off without a thought and just focus on what your opponent is doing.

Try some defensive punish oriented play of your own.

Who are you playing as, that determines the advice you'll get to a fair extent.

For 100 games, do not attack. Only block. Learn how to tech throws. The only attack you may do is anti airing with normals.

> just went into hyper defensive mode and waited for me to make mistakes and I left myself open every single time

If you notice this happening, play the same way you have been but drop your combo mid way and let him go for a punish then punish him afterward.

I'll give you some real solid grounded advice my friend. Just keep playing. I don't know who you main but that's not really important.

Before this game came out I had been playing in the betas. Back in 2015 when the first beta dropped I picked Cammy. I lost literally every match and it was embarrassing. But I told myself that I would get good. Had too because I like fighting games too much.

Fast forward and the game drops. I think I'm in the lead because I played in the betas. Nope got my ass kicked buy rookies and bronze shitters. But went into training mode and practiced set ups and hit confirms. I joined SRK and made friends who were stronger than me. I watch me replays. 7 months later and I'm gold. I still suck but I suck much less now.


>Find online friends to fight specifically ones who are at least 2 leagues ahead of you
>Watch your replays I.E. The fights you lost
>Keep practicing your hit confirms and use the training dummy feature.
>Watch some pros who main your character to see what they're doing and apply that.


Good luck man it's not easy but when you start getting good it become addicting to win.

I'm playing Balrog, he's a super fun character to me but I've been out of the loop for a while so I don't know what the consensus is on him with matchups and such.

Sometimes I consciously try to do this, but muscle memory is a bitch to turn off.

>Gold

That's where I want to be eventually. Thanks for the advice and the story, props on being able to keep moving forward.

I was on a similar path, friend user, I was many times tempted to switch from my main (Rashid) to a character who seems easy and strong like Charlie or Ryu but I at last this month made gold league as the glorious arab whirlwind and the feeling is glorious

You main le mike Tyson of fighting?

Then check out Smug/PRrog/Brian F

They are some of the best Rogs right now.

Frame data is important but your at the skill level where you need to work on more basic things first instead of worrying about frame data too much.
Practice practical punishes for your character that work in most situations and practice a basic CC punish too and PRACTICE this shit doesn't happen overnight or even after 100 hours of playing it takes time. For the local your going to focus on having fun and learning, talk to people that beat you and look for others around your skill level.

>I keep losing matches when I can clearly see what the other guy is trying to do but I keep making mistakes and failing executions and I let them beat my ass
sounds like competitive anxiety, just keep playing

Memorizing frame chart data can be helpful but it's not necessary, to this day I have yet to look at it and I'm at Gold rank.

What I recommend you do is stand you ground and play footsies, Balrog isn't too good at jumping onto the opponent, his ground game is strong so don't jump. Vertical jumping can be helpful as well, it can make some characters attacks whiff and that opens them up for a punish.

Don't forget his target combos!

I don't use Balrog but this is probably the most that I can help you with.

If you want I can help you out by playing a couple matches with you, maybe even get you ready for the tournament. steamcommunity.com/id/heroicantics

Good luck, user and don't give up!

You can only get better!

At least you're not still in Rookie. Like me.

I'm not even good enough to be a scrub yet.

Dude you're playing with people, you're already on your way to getting better.
Remember, no one starts off great so don't get discouraged.

Rookie's don't need to learn how to play SF they need to learn how to use a damn controller and do shit.

Super plat Balrog reporting in.

A key concept with balrog is to realize that you need to be patient since his buttons are slow and stubby as fuck. Rush punches are unsafe unless spaced perfectly. So most of your damage is gonna come from whiff punishes, Anti airs, and your V trigger combos with resets.

Get good with S.mp its a godlike AA.

I wish Street Fighter 3 on Fightcade had a ranking system.

I either get bodied or body someone else, I don't know how good I am.

>Super plat

So which one of these are you?

None of the above, I'm the only other Rog left in the high brackets. ;_;

What's his worst matchup?
And what character do you hate fighting the most?

Worst matchup I would say is Chun-li. There's really not much you can do but sit there and take that hot chinese dick.

Me personally I would say I hate Necalli the most, that fucking jab is so bonkers. Also exremely high skill dash in V trigger that is completely 100% reactable.

I know that feel of losing lots.

Wanting to learn Karin because I like rekka-style characters.

>people still say Chun is toppest tier
>not Ryu

Evo did had like 11 chun lis at top 64 though

Just keep playing. I'm only in silver, so I'm probably not all that much better than you.

Just focus one one thing at a time for a few days of playing before moving on. I see that I need to work on my hit confirms a lot, so that's what I practice in training mode when looking for matches. I noticed I kept on getting jumped in on, so I forced myself to get better at anti airs. I try to do shit like spinning bird kick combos, but I usually fuck them up, so I just don't practice them much, until I can fix my more basic flaws.

Having a player better than you to play helps a lot. My friend is gold, and I when I started, I could only beat him once out of 20 games or so. A few months of keeping at it, I'm now about 7 out 20 games against him.

Also, most games around bronze relies on just playing safe, and punishing the opponent for screwing up, since it happens a lot at this skill level. It will at least help you maximize your punish combos.

Can confirm, been playing since beta 4, spent the first two months being a Bronze/Silver shitter, but i eventually got better and now i am Ultra Plat/Diamond.


still can't do shit against people who are making money with the game though

>tfw just got out of Bronze

Took me only 3 days to go from 1000 to 2000 but I did it. After dealing with the worse in casual for bronze I thought I could handle bronze in rank.

Do what I did OP, I was a bronze shitter too. I had to control myself from getting giddy hell any emotion. Plus I did nothing but watch combo videos of my main for a bit too, even took the time to finally learn those crush counters.

Don't take losses hard man, losing was a learning experience for me. I hated jumpers, but eventually it finally clicked in my head to use anti air. You can do it man! I believe in you

>tfw struggled to get to gold
>played Laura mainly
>try out Mika
>4.5k within the hour
ok

>Get really motivated to play online in the last few weeks
>Urien being soon killed that as I want to focus on him
At least dailies will pretty much force me to get on as much as possible

If there was some none gameplay fucking up crafting going on the game would just become crack

Bronze = commoner

Silver = rising prospect

Gold = pro

Platinum = the best

Is this accurate?

Plat is just bronze with gimmicks.

Diamond and up is where you see the actual good players.

>There's a diamond league

Suffering

Fighting games take thousands and thousands of hours to master.
My advice to you, do not give a single fuck about ranking and W/L ratio, only think about how to beat patterns and escape your own.

You can lose every single match now, it doesn't matter. You just cannot be attached to W/L ratio right now. Forget about it.

Here's what you need to do:
-train your execution consistently; force yourself to go for hard combos versus players especially when you're on a sliver of life, you will stop getting as nervous or panic if you make it a habit - do not fossilize to throw spam or jab spam only in those situations, anyone beyond shit will destroy you for it
-have an idea of what is safe and when. generally speaking, moves that leave you on -2 are the breaking point. On -3, you can be punished with jabs. Remember that if you're negative, you should block because their moves will come out 1 to 2 frames before yours, generally beating yours unless the opponent is retarded and does a slow move to harass
-look at your own replays. you cannot be as critical while you're in the heat of the moment

What do you mean by gimmicks? What am I in for?

>super plat
>not even high warlord master
Don't bother giving advice.

3S COSTUME WHEN?
need it for my buki

>Ryu's most basic target combos rival my v-trigger juggle antics in damage output

i wish they would hide ryus combo damage way more behind the usage of meter.

im okay with him hitting for a lot though because he really doesn't have any kind of advanced setups or anything.

what im not okay with is his j lk beating out legit anti air buttons, it is fucking retarded and way to often do ryus get the j lk jump in into too much damage for no meter spent.

I'd also like to see them nerf his throw range juuust a tiny little bit


nothing to do with the rest of my post, but i wish the game was balanced around every reversal only being invincible with meter

>I'm playing Balrog, he's a super fun character to me but I've been out of the loop for a while so I don't know what the consensus is on him with matchups and such.

90% of the problems with Bronze and Silver Balrogs involves throwing out unsafe target combos and improperly spaced dash punches.

I have a shit ton of experience playing against Balrog with Vega and I find the best strategy is to just turtle and wait for him to hang himself. With no cross-up and a dogshit overhead, he has a hard time opening people up.

Bronze = Very bad
Silver = Bad
Gold = Mediocre
Platinum = Good
Diamond = Very good

One of the most important parts of getting gud is putting in the time

That's lowballing it, user.

Competition is rough and more people fall through the cracks of Bronze than anywhere else. I would at least say you're definitely a good player once you've reached Gold, and you're above average at Silver, but only just.

>I keep making mistakes and failing executions

then step into training mode and practice execution until you don't fail at it anymore.

I had to dump some of my PS4 savings on some gas this month, so I'm set back a little in my goal for SFV. How does that Humble Bundle thing work? I see they got a 45% off coupon for SFV, and getting that new Strider alongside it doesn't sound like a bad deal either.

Spend enough money to get the discount code and then enter it when you buy SFV

who are best asian balrogs?

It isn't for EU if you are there, but currently you can get it on EU PSN for £20 or £30 with the season pass bundle

>Game has been "simplified for a wider audience" aka casuals who just want to mash buttons
>Slow as shit movement and walk speed
>Huge floaty jumps with next to no horizontal range
>Tiny ranged normal's
>Tiny hitboxes on everything
>Normal's have a shitty priority system
>Throws are slow as shit with no range
>Links are gone and combos are now mashable
>Huge buffer window
>No close standing attacks
>No neutral jump attacks
>Dizzy making people fall out of combos
>Game is full of comeback mechanics desinged to "lower the effectivness of player skill"
>Only super can chip kill
>V-Trigger a huge universal buff you get as a rewarded for losing
>V-Reverasl a get out of jail free you are rewarded with for losing
>Receve less damage the less health you have
>Worst roster in a street fighter game to date fan favorites replaced with characters no one wanted like birdie and rmika
>Risk/Reward is skewed due to high damage from jump ins yet pitifully low damage on anti airs and how you can no longer get large damage punishes from a jab
>Huge amounts input lag
>Constant fps loss on ps4 and high end PC's
>Random input drops
>Dumbed down mechanics
>Top players already saying the game is casual garbage
>P2W
>Game literally released in an unfinished state
>Online doesn't work correctly
>No punishment for rage quitters
>lobbies that dont even work most of the time with no flags or ping
>8 frames of input lag

Thank (You) for the stale copypasta

>I keep losing matches when I can clearly see what the other guy is trying to do but I keep making mistakes and failing executions and I let them beat my ass.

Just keep playing, these kind of mistakes vanish on their own. If you ever had the feeling you were stuck in situations where you *did not* know how to respond on paper, check out the replay and figure it out. Say, where to press buttons in a blockstring, when there's a gap to jump safely, etc. If it was really just nerves or execution, don't worry, keep playing, it'll stick one day.

One more piece of advice that I feel is helpful which took me way too long to understand - unless you know your opponent well, go into games with an open mind. You know you don't want to be the guy who opens every game with a jump towards, but don't be the guy who opens every game by walking backwards either. You know you don't want to be the guy who always presses buttons on wakeup - but don't be the guy who never does so either! To a degree, every single game is an experiment. Your opponent might not be able to deal with the weirdest things, if only you give him the opportunity to show it. Don't be so tight when blocking, don't do any buttons, just don't even expect any throws for once, just let the guy push you back to neutral. Or keep holding up+forward half of the match until your opponent proves he can reliably disuade you from doing so.

It's something you see a lot of high level players do, even in high stakes matches. They do stuff which seems downright terrible, just every now and then, to keep the opponent in check. Let me just do a raw tatsu in your face, what's the worst that could happen? A jab jab xx back-to-fullscreen-move punish? It's worth the risk because whether it works or not, the damage to my opponent's mental load, knowing I will just do that out of nowhere, can be so valuable.

Probably none since Balrog isn't popular in Japan.

sf5 is 24 dollars or less on amazon (22 and change when I checked just now). pretty much all the time because the game sold like sf x tekken. as in it bombed.

is this some sort of shitty copy pasta? sf5 is pay to win? seriously...

Balrog is definitely harder to learn than other characters atm, but he isnt hard. You really need to be able to convert every hit into some jind of danaging combo or pressure because he's pure ass on defense and requires great spacing to not get blown up unlike Ryu's or Karin's that can mash s.mp or cr.mp for free.

I dislike the notion that diamond players are noticeably better than platinum players. Maybe that's just jealeausy speaking because I'm platinum...

But it's like, I only even got to platinum because I figured, hey, there's elitist shits out there who create lobbies looking for players who are at minimum platinum rank. Guess you got to do that to prove your cred, but yesterday I saw someone looking for minimum super plat players and that's like another fucking 3000 points slogging through ragequitters and shitty connections with people from overseas. And that's how many people who have that right now, a couple hundred...?! Can I just play the fucking game and get real matches already... the obsession with rankings in this game is bothersome.

>A calm thread about SFV without shit posting except for 1 pasta

I wish I didnt get ranked anxiety, I havent played ranked in 2 months since I hit Silver

Just been maining Ibuki since then

It sold the same amount as MvC3 and SFxT

It can go either way right now and since its a mainline SF I hope it becomes bigger once they fix stuff

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>Play Gief to Ultra Gold
>Can't get further due to the wall of Chuns, Guiles and Sims

Being Shit Tier is suffering

Im having the exact same problems in the exact same range.

The moment i start getting matched with ultra bronze players, I feel like im playing agaisnt pros.

Its a really strange zone to be in cause im at the point where im easily crushing rookies.

I suspect we've misled ourselves to believe that skill tiers go up in a linear fashion when its in fact exponential.

learn to block
go in training mode and do nothing but learn how to quickly block a harder ai's pokes, sweeps, jumping attacks, overhead, throws

after this just learn a basic punishing combo and do footsies, you will be already better than 90% of the players.

>I suspect we've misled ourselves to believe that skill tiers go up in a linear fashion when its in fact exponential.

By this you mean, there's a sizable gap in skill level between leagues?

it really felt exponential, at least till gold

There's really a HUGE variance of skill levels for fighting games in general, and street fighter in particular. It takes a very, very long time to get to the top, but eventually, you DO get there, and you can still keep rising higher and higher.

I didn't realize it was selling that bad that it's $22.
In that case, should I even bother with the Humble Bundle? They got Super Puzzle Fighter & Final Fight in the $1 section, do I get both games if I donate? Can I give the discount code to a pal if I don't need it?

Sorry, user. Diamond players are definitely better (as a general rule) than plat players. If someone isn't super plat then they're generally a free win for me.

Not that it makes plat players bad necessarily, there are just aspects of their game that are lacking, and higher tier players can identify and exploit them.

What would those aspects be, for example?

>There aren't just Plat players in this thread but DIAMOND players

OP here, fucking how? Being the bronze shitter than I am, you lot are myth to me. The fact that you not only exist but are posting ITT is a bit too much, given my overly optimistic aspirations of getting there one of these days.

I don't play online much, but I have a sinking suspicion you're not diamond or even plat

>dailies

Did you say Dailies?

Depends completely on the individual. Most common are probably subpar antiairs, lacking ground game/overreliance on dashes, too willing to hold upforward, poor concept of risk/reward (ie too many DPs etc)

You never have any idea about what your opponent might do before the round starts. Identifying an obvious weakness and exploiting it is an easy way to get beyond many of the humps in ranked

It's a real grind, but it's also pretty separate from the process of actually getting better. Being Platinum doesn't signify that you've actually gained a solid floor of fundamentals and mindfulness, but doing the latter will make ranking up easier

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coming start of next month, also double xp weekend 2nd-4th

Any Europoor want some matches? I need to have my ass kicked so I can learn.

There are some high ranking players on v. Come play the in the weekend lobbies and you'll usually run into a Mexican Necalli that's in the top 200 and a Gief that's pretty damn high too

sure i bring my urien

Do we have a patch day yet? I really want Urien and dailies

Dailies are my kryptonite. If a game has those, I'm locked in for years.

OP, it's important to keep in mind the importance of your vtrigger and look to use it once it's up, especially since you likely don v reversal much in bronze. Keep in mind that you can convert any of your target combos in a vtrigger activation combo meaning you can get some solid damage off of a 3f jab or make your stomp safe if you over commit and want to keep the pressure on

The beauty of 2d fighting games is, once you learn the ins and outs of the core mechanics, they transfer almost seamlessly from one game to the next. You eventually get some things into your head, from "physical" stuff like blocking crossups and doing special input which just becomes second nature, to "mental" things like not falling for the same thing twice. Where "falling" refers to offense and defense, eg it's not just not pressing buttons while blocking at the same spot multiple times, but also not making your opponent block an attack when you have seen him do so before and instead walking up for a throw or delaying the timing to throw them off. You just get a grid of options available to you in your head, and can start exploiting your opponent's weaknesses effectively more and more. And all of that is independent of the specific game.

So take solace in the fact that mostly everyone who's platinum and up has probably played quite a bit of fighting games before, and everything you learn now, you will never unlearn for when SFVI and VII come out, or whatever other game interests you. The minute details like figuring out setups, learning matchup specific skills, specific combos / confirms, of course that plays a role, but once you gather "general fighting game knowledge" you will simply win on the merit of being able to figure out situations faster, and responding to them accordingly, whatever they may be.

No just next month.
capcom-unity.com/haunts/blog/2016/08/15/street-fighter-v-development-update-vol-3

Seeing as we usually get trailer at a tournament. I'd assume he will be shown at either Absolute battle or OzHadou on the 25, First Attack or ECT on 3rd. Then release soon after

Damn, I was hoping it would be soon, but you can never tell with Capcom

>and everything you learn now, you will never unlearn for when SFVI and VII come out

Guess I really was too late to the competitive scene then. I'll probably never be high-ranking over the course of SFV's lifetime, but I'll still try until it dies out and I'll take my experience to the next game when it hits.

SFV is still a new game and catching up is absolutely possible.
The skill ceiling isnt infinite, people stagnate at some point, thats how a 09er like Infiltration surpassed Daigo even though he has like 15 years of experience more.

>The skill ceiling isnt infinite, people stagnate at some point

This is probably one of the truly baffling things about this game, and fighters in general. Scrubs like me talk about getting better when when talking about it you obviously imagine a huge ass ladder or a mountain that you need to painstakingly climb as an actually tangible obstacle, and in a way it's certainly like that but at the end of the day everybody is playing the exact same game and the only thing that differs from player to player is their skillset: what they've learned to apply and adapt to. It's inspiring to think of it that way.

>>and everything you learn now, you will never unlearn for when SFVI and VII come out

This is wrong in my opinion, while basic concept transfer very well there's certain stuff that really doesn't and the SFIV to SFV transition is already very telling

you CANNOT play the ground game the same way, not even close places where SFIV would allow you to push button without repercutions are now complete dead zone for example , which forces you to rethink your entire whiff punish gameplan for example

If it can cheer you up infiltration started in the dreaded '09 years

Look where this nigga is now and where he was in SFIV

cause fighting games reaelly arent as complex as everyone makes them seem
especially 5. the skill ceiling is so low that you see all these random shitty ass european players random out 20 year jap vets

>With no cross-up and a dogshit overhead, he has a hard time opening people up
And now his normals are shit too!
Thanks SFV!

dude can corner carry you from one side to another with one hit confirm though

nice

>Get good with S.mp its a godlike AA.
Every time

That said, Balrog probably has the best non jab aas in the game and that's pretty sad

>balrog normals
>dogshit
he's a frametrapping monster.

Who isn't?

Juri is so shit at it outside of v trigger that the best way to catch people is so purposely show them how little you can press button before adding one special or do the terrible st.mp *hidden walk* st.mp cr.mk

birdie, dhalsim, zangief and juri as an example.
most dont have stupid shit like he does.
His hk is +3 or some fucking nonsense. He's like a Bison on roids and actual mobility.

Just because idiots spam -7 cr.mk xx cr.mk doesnt mean that his shit is weak.

Who unremarkable mid-tier here?

I really loved playing Birdie at the beginning of the game. But now that he's figured out... Well, he's bad. You're supposed to condition the opponent, yet the tools you have to do so are so bad and so slow that you can only rely on normals (and EX Dolphin Dive I guess), which have OK range but awful start-ups.

Actually, Birdie's so bad compared to most other characters in terms of frame data that a lot of people miss on punishing some stuff because they think it's safe, as it is safe on every other characters. I'm getting away much more than I should with V-trigger activation on clock and EX dash, but none of those are safe, which is pretty depressing.

Anyway, I'm still like 300 points away from Plat, so I guess I'll keep playing the character till then, but afterwards, fuck that. I'm really looking to what the 2nd wave of DLC characters will bring.

Forgot the picture, but it probably wasn't too hard to figure out.

i always laugh when theres shitty articles on fgc sites with tweets from "OG"s saying >PEOPLE SLEEPING ON JURI/IBUKI/ALEX
lolno they really arent. its very clear who the best chars are and they all just have double frametraps, fast walkspeed for shimmy and divekick-like moves that let them get in easy

juri legit feels like shes bottom 3

Glad I'm not the only one. I love laura but holy fuck help me ;_;