Sup Forums, what the actual fuck

Sup Forums, what the actual fuck.
Tell me, please, what the fucking appeal is for games like Grim Dawn, Diablo, Path of Exile etc. I can't figure it out. I just can't.
My autism will not let me just drop this shit either because I'm confused as fuck thinking I'm missing something here.

Look at this shit. I'm level 29 in Grim Dawn and I have 3 things on my hotbar. TWO OF WHICH I BARELY EVER FUCKING NEED TO USE (first one summons a hellhound, second one gets it to attack a specific thing). The third thing on the hotbar is a skill I attached to my gun. Meaning I have a grand total of 1 skill. At level 29.

This is a fucking joke to be quite honest, what the hell man, and it's the same with every other game in this genre, you're running around using around 3 abilities forever. HOW IS THAT FUCKING FUN? I could see these types of games being fun if you had lots of abilities to play with but no, you "build" around one/two abilities, which is the optimal way to play. I'm building around my hellhounds for instance on this character.

I'm sorry but this genre of game is dumb as fuck. Feel free to try to prove me wrong but I just had to sperg out because this shit is a joke.

I cannot see the appeal to this.

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Loot.

>why do people like what i don't like?

there is none. hack&slash games are repetitive, gimmicky bullshit.

I still played through Diablo II and Dungeon Siege 1&2 though, rest was insufferable

>I cannot see the appeal to this.


you dont have to.

I like planning and leveling chars

> Diablo II
But that game was the beginning and pinnacle of
>repetitive, gimmicky bullshit.
Almost everything that made diablo great was gone in 2, atmosphere, memorable level design, even the soundeffects were fucking lousy, not to mention that it was an eyesore.

I'm with you OP. Diablo was the first game I tried that was close to an rpg. But when I tried it some years ago, I realized how dumb it is. I mean, the whole game consists on using one skill, lvl up and learning a more powerful right-click.

Also this

grim dawn is pretty fun with the theory crafting

It's all about loot actually, but yes, you need to have a bit of autism to enjoy this kind of games.

The appeal of these games is increasing your numbers by gathering loot

I think the reason why a lot of people that that dislike Diablo 3 liked Diablo 2 is because they were younger when they played it.
If you are a young teenager your mental capacity is so low that those games are still interesting.

Think about it this way OP. Imagine you and your buddies go out on a camping trip. And when you get out in the woods there are pinatas everywhere. And so you guys grab some bats and start breaking those pinatas open. Some of them drop gift cards, some drop cash, some drop a PSP, maybe a big one drops a good GPU or a PS4 or something, and maybe some drop better baseball bats for bashing the pinatas open faster. And then there's a big pinata that may take you and your buddies 2 minutes to bust open but might drop a waifu or a new car or something. That's the appeal. I have 300 hours in van helsing final cut and i regret nothing

Are you seriously asking why loot treadmills are fun? Ask every single player of Overwatch, Dota, CSGO, and any MMO.

Dungeon Siege 1/2 is the only game that has natural progression and not " HURR U ARE RETARD CHOSE UR CLASS U WANT TO ROLL"PLAY""

>I cannot see the appeal to this.

There is no appeal only Pcucks and retards would enjoy a game based on mindless clicking without any thinking behind.

You're absolutely right. If ARPG's want to survive, they need to modernize. Significantly.

>natural progression
It's literally the same fucking shit as every other lootan game. Don't be retarded please.

Except 3 of those games use loot as just cosmetics, while MMOS/Hack and Slash RPG uses loot as a hook to continue playing.
I love Broderlands series, the presequel was ok but the ammount of GAY characters ruined it a bit.
The loot run games are fun

WHO IS HYPE FOR LOST ARK/LINEAGE ETERNAL???
WHO IS HYYYYEP???
I know i am

>not /threading
Whatever i'll /thread for you
/Thread
There, now move along people

hack and slash is a dead genre. PoE is the only relevant game atm, but it just can't hold the cande to the horde of fags playing mobas and fps. why is that, dunno.

you don't have the gambler gene, so you don't need the regular doses of dopamine you get from finding rare loot

for people who like them, it's just a graphical skinner box

You don't /thread your own post, child.

No its not. I could shift my hired mage to be a warrior if I give him the weapons.
I start as a peasant and become a "GOD SHARPSHOOTER" cus i decided ill use bows and daggers. Its not the same user. its way role play-ee then the rest

>LOST ARK
oh boy, i know i am too.

For me it's the buildcrafting. The actual playing is just putting the build to the test.

how do you explain the popularity of mobas then?

>I could shift my hired mage to be a warrior if I give him the weapons.

you could gimp him, you mean. it's no different than picking what you want on level-up

amazing game, get some taste faggot

Can i fuck the pinatas?

I wish games like this had more skill based combat. Exanima made me excited at first but it looks even more samey than normal games. Just left click in different directions over and over.

Lost Ark gameplay looks pretty sweet though but it's gonna be so grindy. Probably have to play the same mission 400 times to get a new skill.

This tbqh

Multiclassing is fucked as shit if you don't understand what you are doing because lmao stats.
You are using class based weapons/spells and that gets you levels in your preferred class.
What do you do in Diablo and its clones? Use your class based weapons/powers and get levels. The only difference is that you have to decide on the character screen instead of the first few minutes you spend in-game.
You are just as locked up in DS as other games.

There are games like Souls and Nioh who do ARPG right. Western devs cant into good gameplay especially Blizzard.
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>Tell me, please, what the fucking appeal is for games like Grim Dawn, Diablo, Path of Exile etc.

loot treadmill
gear progression
character building

the actual gameplay is shit. ultra fast paced "combat" that consists mostly of spamming AoE to blow up hordes of shitty enemies before they reach you because you too die within two or three hits at most.

It's the western equivalent of the musou, basically

POE
>LOOK AT MUH DEEP CHARACTER SIM GAME
>KEEP HITTING THAT MOUSE 1 THAT BAJONKLES EVERYTHING ON THE SCREEN
>"COMPLICATED GAEM"
I Played PoE, its the most butthurt faggot tier community I have ever seen
>Microtransactions
>Passive bonuses skill treee even worse then FFX that had skils there
>Diablo II updated graphics
>Boring ass repetitive enemies that are mostly zombies and zombie spawners (i played the whole game before u post i know nothing"
>THERE ARE ENEMIES IN POE THAT ARE FLYING FLAGS.
LITERAL FLYING FLAGS AND GOLDEN STATUES
>BEST DESIGN EVER
Last but not least
>I got reported to mods and 3 of them had to silence me cus PoE chat is more how D3 is shit and not how PoE is their fap material
>When i said D3 has funner combat that makes a game like these good or bad everyone went butthurt and started reporting to internet police
FUCKING DISCUSTING
PiC RELATED : MOD ASKING ME TO STOP SCARING THE KIDS

>ITS NOT FUN
>I CANT STOP PLAYING
>BUT TELL ME V, WHAT IS THE APPEAL OF THIS GAME
>AS A PATRICIAN OF GOOD BREEDING AND EXCELLENT TASTE I SIMPLY CANNOT FATHOM HOW THIS IS GOOD
>I PLAYED TO LEVEL 30 THO, SHIT GAME HAHA

What are you doing OP?

people want to play competitive but not 1vs1.

In all honesty though OP, the appeal is random maps, enemies, and loot. And diff character builds. Its only really fun in hc mode though, and only if you enjoy grinding.

Are any new similar games out?

Im itching for some looting and character building

try Deathtrap, it's basically Diablo but Tower Defense, and it's usually pretty cheap

ARPGs would play much better with twin-stick/arrows+mouse aim controls

constantly having to do precision clicks on an enemy is dumb.

Its pretty dumb too.
>AM I TD?
>OR AM I DIABLO?
>Fail on both ends.

Well, I do agree with what people have been saying in here for the most part about the loot hunt and class building being fun but, the gameplay part...the actual killing shit etc is so tedious. I'm not going to pretend I know how to fix the genre but I think giving a hell of a lot more skills to play with as well as some decently difficult bosses/enemies that don't consist of hordes of shit that die in seconds would be a nice start.

Tbh Diablo was cool as a kid because it was gory and dark, never really cared for the gameplay overall. Also the itemization in D2 was pretty cool, and I hear at a high level of understanding the pvp was also p gud

Oh well excuuuuuuuuuuuse me buddy, sorry to RECOMMEND you something from this DEAD GENRE

GEEZ

Torchlight 2 is the only one I actually like out of this genre

Can I just take over this thread for 2 seconds to ask you guys who have played Grim Dawn something.
Any good mods that I should be downloading? Things like DAIL don't seem very good, too much of a cluster fuck of changes.

Bitchassfaggotnigger, listen!
You came to RPG HACK AND SLASH TREAD
AND U reccomended a BAD LOOT AND BAD TOWER DEFENSE GAME
You see the problem ass-hemorrhoid?

Grim Dawn looks worse then Titan Quest somehow
FUCKING KEKLER

Well it's the only one I know of that's not so WELL KNOWN and since there are literally 4 GAMES in this DEAD GENRE i'd figured you'd already know all the other ones you FUCKIGN diphthong

and for your fyi M8, i thought it was okay at both and i play it every now and again for FUN

Leave games with fun mechanics and competitive matches out of the mindless clickfest genre please. Thank you.

I´ve been silent in chat 2 times total. I cant stop calling people niggers in Global 1.

IT IS UR FREEDOM TO ENJOY SUBPAR STUFF user!! I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE
!!!
FUCK NMS!

Me and my friend found that very boring.

Diablo 2 was good for its time, but every fucking hax copycat of the copycat of what was Diablo plays the exact same way, left clicking everyfuckingwhere and that's it

I yearn a aRPG where you play and use Skillshots like a MOBA LoL character.

I sometimes imagine what an action game would be like if you played as Olaf, with the exact health pool and mechanics.

But no, everything is just a mindless clicking and some random ability that doesn't matter if you spam it or not.

Yeah well, mention how Diablo's 3 combat is actually fun and engaging, they dont mute you they send police after you.
This is how pathetic they are...
They pay 3 Diablo3 games for one CUSTOMISATION ARMOR PIECe
3 GAMES FOR EDGY BLOOD ARMOR
How retarded can u literaly be??

>Hack N Slash
The genre is from an era where this kind of gameplay was acceptable.
It had the benefit of being a new genre, Diablo 1 - the simple method of clicking on things to quickly kill them was ground breaking at the time. Before then it was complex controls and turn based shit.

Nowadays we expect deeper gameplay in our action RPGs, if we do not have 50 different methods to play the game at any one moment then it's a boring game.

Hey faggot, I know what u mean...Aiming and stuff
Check this video out then, faggot:
WHO IS HYPE FOR ARPG SAVIOUR???
WE NEED TO SUMMON THAT GAME TO WEST!
I DONT CARE IF ITS SHIT I JUST WANNA SEE THEM GRAPHICS AND DIE

They don't play these games for the gameplay or story or whatever, but the loot. The RNG. By the end of Torchlight 2 I was brainlessly spamming a handful of abilities at what I wanted to kill. I tried killing the final boss a couple times because
>duuuude whoaaa it's about the items maaaaan
but it got boring real quick even though I remember getting something I could actually use. OP, you just have to have a special kind of video game autism to like these kind of games. You don't have it.

>games with fun mechanics
>CSGO
>MOBAs
what?

Never spent money on MTX armor sets. Plenty of items to transmog, i never group, so i only have to look at my character.

What's the most overpowered GD class?
What's the weakest?

What do games with fun mechanics and competitive matches have anything to do with low tier FPS and mobas?

probably never ever they don't care about western cucks.

Castlevania is better.

It even has the loot treadmill.

What a terrible thread.

You delete this right fucking now.

Did i say you are the sole reason why PoE community is shit?
NO i said that PoE community in general spends time crying about D3 (while still playing it) then playing PoE.
PoE is an ok game. The only thing I liked in it more then D3 is Labyrinth. That shit felt a game withing itself. Far more interesting then a crappy campaign. I dont know if they tried to match bad writing of D3.
Overall, its more for forveralone people, the point of Item looting is lost in PoE cus u grind for money to buy gear... loot drops enforce playing the market outside on some site instead of playing with people and getting that sweet roll.
Game depth is also fake. It boils down to "attack that creates the most shit on screen" builds.
It feels dated both in design and in gameplay. When its fastest, its too damn slow.
THere isnt anything original in PoE either. feels like few games stitched together to create an abomination.

Man I don't know shit about Grim Dawn, go play POE

Dont say that user! I want to see this on me pc!!
;'(

play POE, its the same experience but you can pick any combination of skills, which arent limited to classes. you should have a full hotbar by about 2 hours in

>it's a "one guy is angry at PoE" episode

>It's a "PoE shills desperately trying to defend their dead game" episode

The lab in PoE? I hate that personally. My level 90 from previous league never touch that place.

I don't like PoE cuz it's always online and my shitty internet makes it unpleasant to play. That's the only reason.

ARPGs are my favorite podcast genre so I hope they keep coming. I listened to many a F Plus episode while grinding rifts in D3 and going through Titan Quest got me through my entire Harmontown backlog.

GD is so unfun. I've played through vanilla and then installed DAIL, but it's still so fucking unfun. Half of the damn classes are just boring because you spent most of the points in the passives that certainly do let your hero hit harder but the monotonous gameplay of left clicking (and occasional right clicking if you're lucky enough) for hours just to get an additional effect for the main hand passive is fucking awful. Int classes a little bit better, but most of the builds are optimal at using less than 6 skills. Seriously, if you make an ARPG and make so most of the reasonable class builds should use less than amount of Diablo 3 skills - you should kill yourself as a dev. The combat is already worse than D3, at least make up with complexity of the builds.

>It's a "two anons fling shit at each other while posting a plethora of smug anime girl pictures until one of them gives up" episode
My absolute favorite.

>of Diablo 3 skills
Than the number of*

Can we agree on this?

Good ARPG
>Souls
>Bloodborne
>Nioh
>Salt and Sanctuary

Bad ARPG
>Diablo series
>POE
>Torchlight
>all the indie shit diablo clones on steam
>western ARPG in general

I fucking love smug anime girls.

I like it cus we dont have stuff like that in D3.
The traps are actually a threat and it feels like a really long boss battle. It was the most unique aspect of PoE for me, honestly.

PoE is amazing.

Man I don't know what kind of RTS gods play ARPGs in this thread but I dunno how anyone could manage more than 6 skills at Grim Dawn levels of speed and lethality.

Is clicking more buttons inherently more fun for you than clicking less buttons? I don't get it. It would still be the same gameplay but instead of being able to get comfy and point and click at things you'd have to do keyboard gymnastics for the same effect. Kinda pointless desu.

>but most of the builds are optimal at using less than 6 skills
Welcome to the entire fucking genre, dumbshit.
Even if you do have a game with skill bloat you still end up focusing on a select few skills for best effect.

Why is weaboo shit ruining threads on Sup Forums
Go back to >>Sup Forums faggots
YOU RUINED ANIME WITH THAT ECCHI VIRGIN SHIT NOW U WANT TO KILL VIDYA THAT ARE GRASPING FOR BREATH
FUCK OFF

OP, are you legit autistic? Like, with a diagnosis from a doctor?

>salt and sanctuary

You think I'm gonna fall for this weak ass bait?

Well, most people just leap slam/blink over traps anyway. I did not enjoy running that place on my 2nd character. Now you got people running that place in like 5 mins or less.

When does GD get hard? Piss easy for me so far.

dumb frogposter

>Is clicking more buttons inherently more fun for you than clicking less buttons?
Yes it is, one of the most fun D3 builds are mage piano players where you should look for cooldowns, stacks, health, mana, positioning and elites while trying to go through the rift as fast as possible. At least it gives some kind of a skill ceiling to the game.

If you wanted more you could've just asked.

No, I meant autistic in the Sup Forums sense.

Well something I can agree with PoE fags is hands down this: Gotta go fast meta ruins a good ARPG.
I hate it in D3 pubs - that is why i play seasons with friends, and I hate people just speeding trough content

Are you retarded or something? Also you type like a 16 year old.

>salt and sanctuary
>bad
??? The game is good mate.

Basically this

These ARPG's are basically glorified loot piñatas. They feed on systems invented by gambling to keep people hooked on sucky gameplay.


If you strip away the RPG mechanics on a game like Dark Souls you are still left with a fun game with solid combat and exploring mechanics.


If you take away the leveling mechanics of any of this grindy games you are left with NOTHING. There is NOTHING to do aside of levelling your character and spamming hotkeys

Its really easy. You always use the same combination of hotkeys in the same succession, maybe except for bosses or something, not hard to memorize.

No it isn't. It's absolute dog shit.
Not him btw.