Final Fantasy XV

This single 3-minute cutscene from 8 years ago has more emotion and character depth than anything Tabata managed to shit out with XV and Kingslaive:
youtube.com/watch?v=IMhg65dUTbw#t=0m54s

And surprise, the clueless suit cut it from the game becaue it clashed with his generic Goy of Thrones garbage. Shimomura's music is especially out of place now. It doesn't fit with anything in XV whereas it meshed perfectly with the thematics and imagery of Versus. But that's also okay because now we have Florence and the Machine normalfag trash music.

Here's what Mr. Jesus Complex Hajime "I will save Final Fantasy" Tabata's vision for this title entails:

vg247.com/2016/09/01/final-fantasy-15-interview-tabata-talks-delays-versus-fan-expectation-and-more/
>One other aspect that I’ve really been learning about from Western-developed games is this idea of really appealing to a wider audience

Enjoy your mass-appeal Western trash you fucking apologists. You earned it.

Careful, you'll trigger XV-kun.

I think you're nostalgiafagging a bit too hard. The old game was interesting in it's design and I can't lie that I don't miss the dark tone, but it's common in japanese media to start out really bright and occasionally have some fucked up shit in the story. It makes it have more impact.

In terms of gameplay the versus was just kingdom hearts, which is "fun" but not really interesting mechanically, especially not considering it's 2016 and the bar has been raised quite a lot since then.

How do you want your Final Fantasy, senpai?

Our master has succumbed
To endless sleep

With him sleeps power.
Sleeps our beloved sky
Begging for forgiveness

Can we once again see the dawn?

Defeated, our master sleeps
And calls his children
Through his dreams

Behold the day of glory,
At last awakened by the whispers of dawn

Know that we will fight.
We are protected by our goddess

>Versusfags got BTFO in other thread
>makes his own thread for maximum hugbox
Like pottery

I want my final fantasy like I want my sex life: gay as fuck, shallow as fuck, and with no control over myself.

Fuck off XV-kun you miserable sperg.

"O-oh, hi Noctis-kun"

vs.

"I do not fear death, wait i fear is doing nothing and losing everything"

Nothing I've seen from XV so far has been well written or interesting story/characterwise. It's all very bland and generic format with cliche characters. The only interesting ideas are the ones carried over from Versus and those have even been morphed into some generic deformation of their original selves.

I was pretty excited for the gameplay going by what I'd heard. Especially the character switching and fast combat, higher difficulty etc.

The kingdom sleeps
and children sacrify theirselves day by day
until they extinguish,
and they will never awake.

This tragedy destroys,
in front of them,
every beloved thing.

And in this never-ending night,
Look there, the real vision
on the edge; I will see you
and the next morning the time will awake.

I liked the backstory animes but yea FFXV so far is turning into a standard "chosen one saves the world" deal, and its fucking grating


ESPECIALLY comparing it to what I just saw in that video. Goddamn Nomura should've just kept it to himself until the script was ready

Wrongthink on my Sup Forums ?!
UNLEASH THE SHILLS

>"chosen one saves the world"
Versus was the same, instead of chosen one you got l'cie with focus.

Wow strong independent womyn such good writing. Luna is targeted at shit slurping Western faggots. They didn't even try to hide this fact in the movie; she looks like a fucking dude.

Versus seemed a bit more nuanced than that, but we'll never know for sure. Plus its hella hammed up in Kingsglaive with everything revolving around Noctis being some special key. That wasnt really the case in Versus where it seemed like he was more cursed than anything.

Calm ur tits, fanboy.

>Defeated, our master sleeps
>And calls his children
>Through his dreams

This is very interesting part id say, i wonder what this supposed to mean?

>Wow strong independent womyn
>I want women to be treated as walking tits and ass in my videogames so that all the important stuff revolves around males and this way I can hide my homosexuality
Imagine you've got a little daughter who starts playing video games. Wouldn'T you want her to have some role models? I don't think she can very well look up to Kratos or Dante.
And if you really love such barebone female characters, I recommend reading A Farewell to Arms, you will love it.

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I get what the Stellafags are saying now.

Its goddamn sad. The idea of Stella had a little more promise than Luna who seems to be considerably one-note.

My daughter's role model would ideally be her mother or something along those lines, not some fucking bulldyke video game character. And women are supposed to be feminine. Go back to dumblr.

>The title is also meant to be the most realistic Final Fantasy installment in terms of its setting and world design, which lean toward a more modern aesthetic than fantasy or science fiction. Nomura has also said the game will have a greater focus on interpersonal issues rather than a (literally) world-shattering threat from some evil force out to become a god of sorts.

It's literally the opposite of that now. Versus had more focus on the political and "ugly realities of the world" and there was a dark almost tragic tone that was really subtle but very present which was nice.

FFXV is literally a generic coming of age story with the big bad probably being some ancient evil god of sorts. Mostly a feel good story from the looks of it and all the melodrama is very in your face, angsty and there's nothing subtle about it at all.

Really pushing that heroin chic face these days aren't they?

Fucking hell man, it's a japanese anime weeaboo game not vogue magazine.

Probably got some white chick and molded it after her face because realism in my japanese fantasy games. I miss Stella/Early Luna.

I need a fucking drink now

Your wife's daughter?

I think the problem with this "le strong wymyn" meme is that devs try to focus on making a female character that appeals to tumblr before actual working on her characterization.

I think if you want better quality female characters, you should stop defending every character just because she has a vagina. Instead, you should accept the flaws the character has and push for greater quality of character. and yes, being too perfect is a flaw as well.

tl;dr

Raise you fucking standards.

Why did Regis send Noctis away? Precautionary measure incase shit went down with Nilfheim?

Surely they have to repeat some of the invasion scenes from the early Versus footage and the identical ones in Kingsglaive in the actual game, r-right guys? The confrontation between Iedolas and Regis is kind of too big to be leaving out of the game.

He wanted Noctis to get out of the house more

Great job playing your role. You Lil sheep you.

That scene actually came off as pretty fucking awkward to me.

>early luna

you mean game luna?

Enjoy your rape baby

He KNEW Niflheim would try to fuck their shit up.

>FFXV is literally a generic coming of age story with the big bad probably being some ancient evil god of sorts
I like that type of stories anyway. Atleast if they do it good, not like FFXIII.

Is that how she's going to look like in game? I dig it enough, but they're going to do drug addict luna in they're pre-rendered cutscenes right?

Fuck them for that.

Shit like this makes me want to abandon videogames as any kind of serious media

Holy fuck its like every good idea gets killed in the crib if its not some indie game.

Why is she so perfect? We don't deserves Final Fantasy with that much perfect heroine.

She probably has a dick now.

Exactly. It's a young man and woman meeting for the first time at a social event. It's supposed to be slightly awkward. That's why it's so well done. This sort of well crafted character interaction is nowhere to be found in XV.

This happens in all big-money media.

Hell, this has been happening to video games for over a decade.
How is this just now settling in?

THAT WAS ONLY FOR THE MOVIE BECAUSE HER MOCAP ACTRESS LOOKS LIKE THAT.

You guys are NEVER EVER going to get the game you wanted.

>but they're going to do drug addict luna in they're pre-rendered cutscenes right?
Huh? No. Pretty much all cutsecenes will be on game engine.
CGI Loona will be like picrelated.

I have to agree with you that Tabata can't into story and dude does not know how to make people care about his character.

And the reason that it's bad is not about the design change or western pandering either...it's just bad.

>le Versus XIII is better than XV meme
>eternal war between XV-kuns and Nomurafags in every single thread

For fuck sake, i can't wait for the game to actually be out so these threads will stop appearing.

It might still be entertaining.

>its been happening for years so you cant talk about it

I must be the one person who didn't fall for the strong women meme. Stella would have been executed poorly and you know it.

They got the Olson twin passifire lips down.

oh fuck it's been a while since i've been explicitly strawmanned

>implying it's bad

You dont even know how full of shit you are

>You guys are NEVER EVER going to get the game you built in your head

fixed a lil bit.

>My daughter's role model would ideally be her mother or something along those lines
While you can be jizzing your pants over Dante, Kratos, Nathan Drake, Doomguy etc. etc.
Ok.
>And women are supposed to be feminine.
Yeah, well, the 60's called, they want you back.
The fact that they have some means of self-defence and don't fucking break down at the very first sight of danger or conflict doesn't make them masculine.
If you really like the "O-oh, Hi..." archetype, you are a fucking retard, like seriously, those are the worst chicks ever, bland, 1dimensional, useless characters that usually have to get huge tits so that there's any redeeming quality to them. Go hug your Hinata pillow.

imo best le strong wymyn character recent popculture has witnessed is Nancy in Stranger Things. She's not the "jumps through a burning train while fighting 10 enemies" bullshit, she's a believable, actual character.
The best way of writing characters is conceptualizing a character and then giving it a gender, further adjusting it's traits based on their sex.

There's this series, Sense8, by Wachowski brothers, which is such a fucking bullshit. I definitely recommend you watch at least some of it to see "how not to make characters right".

> Instead, you should accept the flaws the character has and push for greater quality of character
Ideally you should build up the character around their flaws, because it's our flaws and insecurities which affect us the most. You never notice your nice eyes colour but you'll be damned if you didn't have 25 insecurities about your ears being tiny weeny bit asymmetrical.

Why the fuck did they pick an actress like that? Did they want to fuck up Luna on purpose?

But didn't he send Noct away before Nilfheim started lurking around the outskirts of the city and offering Regis peace terms? Noct is long gone even by the start of Kingsglaive on his way to meet Luna in Atlissia.

I'm v confused fampai, was Regis not expecting Nilfheim forces guarding Luna in Atlissia too, since the whole point of it is forging a peace? And they did try to fucking kill them all in Tenebrae before so where's his massive Princeguard he just gave him 3 mooks to protect him

HELP me understand

The manjaw meme is probably the fucking most annoying one on Sup Forums.

I kinda get why they did this. Everyone else was more realistic so they decided to make her less anime by giving her flaws... But they went WAY overboard. Also King Regis still had huge fucking eyes so he looked very alien. Why?

The movie was even more garbage than Advent Children though so who cares.

the whole "strong women" thing is a joke to actual writers since all it comes down to is writing actual characters.

It's actually supposed to be awkward. When Nomura talked about the scene, he gave some insights on the characterization shown.

Stella is someone who is very straightforward and doesn't shy away from issues. She keeps pressing the subject.

Noct wasn't comfortable with the subject and you can tell by his body language because he keeps walking away from her, but he plays it cool verbally because that's just what he does and I'm guessing he's had a lot of practice as prince. He was also stated as being shy when meeting new people in general.

Also
>he's a confident man and sometimes he lets it show

When she asked him if he'd received any power from the light, he stated that "he had all the power he needed already"

>can be brusque at times

Telling her to "enjoy the nighmares" at the end when she tries to hit on him? and he's the one who ends the conversation in the first place.

the movie is shit, it's not even worth pirating

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This meme needs to end. Yes, we'll never know the exact details of the plot of Versus (Tabata is too insecure to release them), but we do know the general themes which is enough to tell what kind of game it might have been. It certainly would have been better than this generic Western pandering shit we have now.

Neither do Stella fags who base their facts on fiction made from archived prerelease information.

That's not CGI and it's really old.

It probably wouldn't have been a better game, since it would never have gotten a release.

Stella was more interesting than Luna on concept alone

>implying Luna is well-written

kek

Wow, so we traded a social autist for a self-harming one. Makes you think.

>While you can be jizzing your pants over Dante, Kratos, Nathan Drake, Doomguy etc. etc.
I don't look up to video game characters you absolute dweeb.

this

>Stella was more interesting than Luna
>
kek

I hope Nomura changes FF7R completely to his liking as a response to them fucking over his baby

Its a fact of life not meme.
Versus wouldn't be cancelled if it was good game after all. Plain and simple.

I don't mean flaws as in personality flaws. I mean flaws as in horribly written.

and the bulldyke equals strong women meme needs to die. It's cringey to watch.

and I love how it just throws other women under the bus just for being feminine or well-mannered. tumblr was a mistake.

Nomura-kun will praise him anyway, even if he turn FF7R into musical.

So what will Iedolas Aldercapt actually look like in the game?

Noctis wasn't a social autist. He could speak to people and sociallize just fine, just hid his initial shyness when meeting strangers. Which actually isn't that uncommon. He was actually specifically stated to not be "a gloomy little boy" or anything like "cloud or squall"

More like shitty Japanese anime media

>is a joke to actual writers
The problem is, those may not always be those in charge of the medium. Just look at the "omg white people are bad" faggot on twitter writing for Bioware or whatever company it was.
There was this stupid moment in Stranger Things, where Nancy and Jonathan were shooting at cans. Johnathan was missing and then she picked the gun, aimed and the very first shot was a hit. He then looked at her and they both giggled, then the scene ended.
This was probably the worst scene in the show because they went well out of their way just to show that Nancy can shoot and it could've been handled so much better, rather than doing this "ok we've got a capable woman here so let's show it" cliché moment.

Ok, then what's the problem with having a proper female character? Shouldn't the gender now be irrelevant? Or is it that you'd have problems identifying with the character?

> flaws as in horribly written.
I didn't realise that. It seemed weird you would even go into discussing fixing badly written characters. You can¨t help there, that just kills the character. You must start fresh, anew, from the scratch, with a character that doesn't suck ass.
>and the bulldyke equals strong women meme needs to die. It's cringey to watch.
But how else could bad writers write "appealing" strong women? :)
>tumblr was a mistake.
I recommend you go to tumblr and search "fat".
Then search "thin".

Yes it would have you moron. Nomura's team was too busy helping fix the shitshow going on with the company's other titles, so it was never in full production. When everything was over, the higher ups forced Nomura to rebrand Versus to XV so they could push out a new mainline title, then when the transition was complete they kicked him off the team to work on other projects to generate additional revenue.

Did I mention lunar being better? I'm simply stating Stella isn't any better just because her character trait was being noctis childhood friend turned rival. It's the most uninspired role next to space marines.

>The use of spells has also been streamlined in Final Fantasy XV, so instead of many spells to choose from you only have a few but these can be customized and tweaked as you play. The smart thing here is that keeping the core system simple means it is easier to balance and Tabata accurately points out that it makes the system more robust, as you shouldn’t get bad combinations and that ultimately every customization you make will be a positive one.

Cool how did I know they were going to fuck up magic for yet another game in a row.

Like this

This will remain the only game in existence in which you can camp with your buddies and eat some chocobomelettes, waking up, drawing some magic from the planet and then hunting the wild life with your sniper rifle

I meant Stella for Luna. Noctis is a good boy.

Forgot to finish the Nancy thing: moments like these are what undermines your character completely because you are forcing it too hard, but sadly too many works still use such scenes.

Stella didnt know Noctis before IIRC, thats Luna's thing. What connected Stella and Noctis was the supernatural stuff.

Doesn't stop tumblr for being a mistake.

>Versus wouldn't be cancelled if it was good game after all

Yea, let's completely the fact that Square never let Nomura work on one project at once. Let's ignore the fact that they took his versus team to work on fucking Lightning shit, let's ignore the fact that he never had his full attention on it.

Stop posting. Anytime.

>Shouldn't the gender now be irrelevant?
The gender is very relevant because men and women are not the fucking same. Go back to dumblr you fucking feminist queef.

This song is still talking about Bhunivelze, it was composed for versus after all.

I hated that scene too, and you could tell it was going to happen so easily.

I also thought it was really fucking stupid that they killed the Burgerman for basically no reason. There was no indication he would compromise anything, but they had to force the "lol evil agents" shit

who the fuck are they marketing this game towards

Look, the fact of the matter is, we'll never know and all we have is Greener Grass syndrome. Versus can be as perfect as it wants because it was never in a state to be judged beyond our imagination. Until someone from the dev team comes out to make statements, which, given it's japan, never will happen, we'll only ever have our dreams.

A Fantasy Based In Reality

To be honest, Nomura's Ideolas looked fucking weird.

The truth is that what little we saw from Versus is already leagues better, you dont need some indepth document to see that.

Whats done is done though. Fuck videogames.

I didn't say to "fix" badly written characters. I said that you should stop defending them just because they have a vagina and push for higher quality characters.

I don't like the game Luna. She looks like some generic plastic anime doll. Maybe I just hate weeb games.

They easily could change that actually. Just replace Bhunivelze with random God of Darkness, like KOTR replaced Fal'cie, and messiah Noctis replaced L'cie.