What is the FMA 2003 of Sup Forums?

What is the FMA 2003 of Sup Forums?

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Dark Souls

Baby's first semi-serious game with completely fucked second half.

It's a shame the latter part doesn't apply to FMA.

Goldeneye 007

The 2003 anime outpaced the manga and had to make a lot of shit up. What it ended up with is literal dimension-travelling nazis.

Google FullMetal Alchemist video games there are plenty of them already.

Yeah, and that ending was a thousand times better than the canon ending.

Do people actually believe this or are you just being a hipster?

It didn't outpace jack. They knew from the beginning that 2003 would be original. You can tell because they left out all the Promised Day bullshit.

>manga never refers to Lior again after the first two chapters.
That alone is enough to be the nail in the coffin for any legitimate claim to being superior.

>of Sup Forums - Sonic threads with bros that you'd expect would be completely filled with autism

>of vidya - Dota 1, before the game died and got reborn into a complete mess known as Dota 2

...oh, so you haven't read the manga or watched Brotherhood. Good to know.

Super Smash Bros. Melee

>Original idea was just 4 people fucking around and throwing pokeballs at each other
>Became a worldwide phenomenon and is still huge and played at tournaments to this day

Just like the FMA 2003 anime was very likely to just copy paste the events that happened in the manga in the early stages of conception.

Wow, I didn't know that opinons could be wrong but now I'm certain they can be!

>>manga never refers to Lior again after the first two chapters.
Except for, you know, when Hoenheim goes back and finds the tunnel Sloth made and encounters Pride
Or when Al and Winry go back and find him there helping the people.

Oh and the best part? Rosé doesn't become a retard for absolutely no reason.

Obviously people just want to be contrarian.

>>Became a worldwide phenomenon and is still huge and played at tournaments to this day
How does this describe the 2003 anime nowadays?

Anyway I say Pokemon because most fans have come to see how flawed the original games were even for the time just like the 2003 anime and only a few diehard or nostalgic fans defend it.
I'm not talking about genwunners when I say fans by the way.

2003's ending was an ending that culminated and answered the series's themes, ideas and character arcs. The canon ending is just a typical shounen satisfactory journey's end that ties all loose ends, it even shows the protagonist all grown up with the fans's favorite girl and his children.

>Oh and the best part? Rosé doesn't become a retard for absolutely no reason.
Uh, user...

>for absolutely no reason.
>he still hasn't figured out

>Sup Forums - Anime & Manga

Yes there was another riot afterwards and most of the people there died and she was raped. That doesn't mean she should be absolutely retarded in her next appearance to the point that people can manipulate her and turn her into a prophet.
If anything she should fear people and become some kind of shut in.

Not to mention Dante had hypnosis powers for some reason.

>a overrated piece of shit that was good for the first half till it went downhill
dmc4

halo

>A very popular piece of work which never outstayed it's welcome
DMC1

>>A very popular piece of work which never outstayed it's welcome
You're supposed to pick a game that matches FMA 2003 not change the description and pick what you want.

I agree with this, 2009 anime would be DMC3

So why didn't you pick a game that's consistently great?

Dante was a much, much better villain than Father.

>That doesn't mean she should be absolutely retarded in her next appearance to the point that people can manipulate her and turn her into a prophet.
PTSD can fuck people up man, that shit's no joke.

That being said, though, I agree that the second half of 2003 was like one gigantic WTF moment.

While I thought the Nazi bullshit was pretty retarded, I did find it more acceptable than the manga's ending.

I didn't like how it ended on a completely generic shounen fight with "God" as everyone cheered from the sidelines. I don't know, I expect that shit from Naruto but not from FMA.

>PTSD can fuck people up man, that shit's no joke.
Which is why I said she should have become some kind of shut in and completely separate herself from people.

>So says user as he rests on an armchair with a computer printout of an online Psychology Diploma displayed behind him

If you're seriously someone that loves 2k3 FMA more than the manga and Brotherhood, that's fine. I'm not going to argue that you should change your opinion.

Just understand that though I respect your right to hold that opinion, I will NEVER fathom how on earth you came to hold it.

You sound like you hate happy endings.

>as everyone cheered from the sidelines.
FMA is the only shonen I've seen that completely breaks that cliche, user. Literally everybody contributed to the final fight, even the mooks were crucial.

Spoke my mind for me.

>There are people itt who actually believe FMA '03 is better than brotherhood
How does it feel to have such shit taste?

I think the worst part about 2003 was how it constantly went on about equivalent exchange and pulled the whole "lol it doesn't exist because people aren't equivalent".

I rewatched both recently, Brotherhood first up and I still find 03 to be more enjoyable overall, better music, better use of the themes and better characters arcs for the homunculi.

While I agree that brotherhood is good and revealed a lot more backstory to the characters.

It was the 2003 that defined and popularized fullmetal. It was a lot more dramatic than the original with its darker themes being a focus, while FMA;B followed standard shonen tropes.
As far as anime original endings go, 2003 is probably one of the best.

>You sound like you hate happy endings.

Not him but if you cheer for a canned ending that only artificially tie lose ends you're a shit eater.

i was thinking of the manga anyway when i wrote dmc4
DmC is more tolerable when skipping all posible cutscenes

No, I like good endings. A happy ending for happiness's sake is as bad an ending as a downer ending for sadness's sake. An ending should be a final answer to what the series was trying to convey, not a checking of boxes for plotlines and cliches.

2003's ending not only solidly conveyed the personal superiority of eastern philosophy over the judeo-christian dogma, but also gave a thematically and emotionally satisfying and subtle end to the character's strife and struggles.

Of course he isn't cheering for that. He's cheering for the manga and brotherhood that not only brought everything together but had everyone work together against father rather than be a generic shonen and have the main character do it alone.

But all three versions had happy endings?

Devil May Cry

>better characters arcs for the homunculi.
*Lust

2k3's Wrath, Sloth, Envy and Pride were all shit tier compared to Brotherhood's. Shit, I'd go ahead and say that 2k3 Sloth is far and away the absolute worst idea in both versions of the series.

I'll agree with you on the music though, although I did enjoy Brotherhood's soundtrack too, felt like a theater orchestra playing along to the show.

What's the Conqueror of Shamballa of vidya?

Yeah, nah, they're both good.

>"lol it doesn't exist because people aren't equivalent".
Actually, it did. Human souls were used to power alchemy since you need an actual energy source to transmute. Essentially an exchange of life for a miracle.
Quite poetic.

>tfw you will never remove Shamballa's kebab

This could not be a more edgelord opinion if you tried.

There was nothing thematically or emotionally satisfying about Edward and Alphonse playing interdimensional Red Rover between Amestris and Nazi Germany.

Nazi ending > waifu ending.

>2k3 Sloth is far and away the absolute worst idea in both versions of the series.

Mind saying how? I actually found the way in which it was executed to be a rather clever interpretation of the sin.

2003 didn't have Fuhrer King Bradley vs A Motherfucking Tank
youtube.com/watch?v=xPh6DzcKYbQ

>edgelord
Learn what the words you're using even mean before trying to pretend you can hold an argument.

user, everyone coming together to beat the big bad in some super climatic final fight followed by an unconditional happy ending is pretty cliched for a shounen. At this point I'd say it's more unexpected for a character to solve everything by himself without help.

>2003
>Ed and Al trapped in an overly violent world that only exists as a battery to their original one with all alchemy useless to them as the only key to their world is now dead.

>2009
>Ed regains his arm, Al regains his body, they both go on to teach more people about the wonders of alchemy across the world mirroring Father and Hoenheim's own paths after the fall of Xerxes.

2003 addressed the real themes of the story far better. They were grim but also down to earth.

Brotherhood backpedaled on every concepts introduced in the first half and added cretinous fluff like the chibi ninja girl on top of that. The only thing it did better was Greed.

The way 2003 ended was great. Not everyone gets a magical Deus Ex resolution to their problems, equivalent exchange meant they had to pay a real harsh price to get there. But in the end they still managed to secure what was important : Their brotherhood.
Manga just shits over that for muh friendship power because the author is a female.

Well, she was hardly the only person in Liore who went through trauma and hardship. The people there had no one else to turn to, and Rose was so symbolic of their plight that it made her kind of a tragic hero to them.

I'd rather have an ending that meets everyone's expectations and ties everything together nicely rather than have the plot pull something out of its ass at the last minute. There was like no buildup to the parallel worlds twist whatsoever. It felt like it was thrown in to try and add depth to a plot that had gone awry from a lack of direction.

>2003's ending not only solidly conveyed the personal superiority of eastern philosophy over the judeo-christian dogma
The prime appeal of a series to you being taking a shit on the "conventional" morality you grew up with is pretty edgy, m8

>2003
>Ed and Al make peace with their loved ones from Amestris as well as saving both it and our world from destruction
>Ed becomes a responsible adult and will hunt down the A-Bomb to fix his own mistakes
>If the OVA is canon, which it probably is, it shows him living a full and happy life as an engineer meeting many famous people with a wife and beautiful children by his side as he grows old

Sounds happy to me.

>They were grim but also down to earth.
>Hey me and my eternal fuckbuddy want to slaughter millions of people to... power our life support? Also this villain is your aborted fetus-brother.
Come on man, you're being ridiculous.

Oblivion maybe.

>rather than have the plot pull something out of its ass at the last minute.
thats how i feel about the ending in the manga
it seems in the last 4 chapters mangaka went "i must finish this now!" . at least to me feel rushed (and no i don't want endless manga anyway)

>everyone coming together to beat the big bad in some super climatic final fight followed by an unconditional happy ending is pretty cliched for a shounen.
You haven't watched many Shonen have you.
Usually the cast jobs against the big bad and then it's all up to the main character who gets an extreme power boost through the power of positive thinking and determination.
Here they all attacked and pushed Father to the edge.

I want to passionately hump Ed and caress his toned ripped body.

>I'd rather have an ending that meets everyone's expectations
BH certainly didn't meet my expectations for an ending. But then again I expected more of it even though in the end, it was nothing more than a trite and tired shonen so I suppose it is my fault.

I wouldn't call 03's ending an asspull though. The true nature of alchemy was foreshadowed several times with the question of where alchemy comes from. The only real asspull part is the alternate dimension, which I already admitted was weak.

Can you express your opinion without lying about the plot or did you just skip half the scenes of the ending?

>>Hey me and my eternal fuckbuddy want to slaughter millions of people to... power our life support?
Wait, what's wrong with this?
You're fine with some dude with a God complex who kills people just because, but you don't buy into a couple who commit atrocities because they are afraid of death?

How the hell can people say 2k3 handled the themes of the story better when it gave us THIS abomination?

>Usually the cast jobs against the big bad and then it's all up to the main character who gets an extreme power boost through the power of positive thinking and determination.

That's exactly what happened.

First of all, it wasn't the "conventional" morality I grew up with.
Second of all, when did I say it was the prime appeal?

Pay attention, the argument was about the quality of the ending and what endings should be. I said that 2003's ending conveyed the series's heart better and concluded the themes unlike Brotherhood's generic shounen\JRPG\VN ending.

Finally, the prime appeal of the show to me was the nuanced and deep style of telling of a coming-of-age story, it was slow paced but it used every moment well even when it wasn't to further some plot, in sharp contrast to Brotherhood which was like most Shounen focused on action, many affable one dimensional characters and worldbuilding..

>Usually the cast jobs against the big bad
Like?
Even in the archtypical shonen, DBZ, it took Vegeta weakening and slowing Buu down while the rest of humanity banded together to give Goku the power to actually finish Buu off.

>You're fine with some dude with a God complex who kills people just because
That's not even remotely close to Father's motivation though.

Since the last guy didn't feel the need to answer me, how is 03 Sloth bad?

What, uninteresting, poorly written and paced, padded out, edgy and over-all overrated and shit?

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

Father doesn't have a God Complex?

03 fans are fucking insane.

i have watched both. and read the manga.

anyone who honestly thinks 03 is better was an edgy teenager when they watched it.

it has the worst pacing i have ever seen. it tries way to hard to try and shock and or make you feel.

and the ending was the worst piece of shit i have ever had the displeasure of watching.

whole thing is inuyasha tier

Dante did nothing wrong

Pretty much every single Homunculi in the manga had a superiority complex. It was one dimensional and cliched as fuck.

At least the ones in the anime had some more nuance to them.

The only thing good about the 2003 version was Mustang's confrontation with Bradley. The whole shit about the other side of the gate being a parallel world was stupid.

I welcome it. Sup Forums turned into complete dogshit as of late.
Nothing but Nu-Pepe shitposters from Tumblr/Facebook/Reddit, "IT'S NOT FAIR" falseflagging, tryhards trying to make No Man's Sky a TORtanic 2.0, GamerGate, Sup Forums invading here, Todd posting (literally just LE IRONIC SHILL: The Meme) and other forced memes.

wow all the edge masters in this thread that like the 2003 fanfiction

His motive is just typical shonen big bad
>Hurr im gonna recreate the world according to my vision

And then the author proceeded to waste all the mystery about alchemy with that door tentacle shit.

Because by its implication that Sloth really WAS Trisha, it completely sabotaged the entire point of the series and of equivalent exchange. The preciousness of life, the inability to just get back what you've lost, the need to move forward and not become stuck in the past. Her very existence nullifies all of those and says "Oh wait, no, you were actually THIS CLOSE to getting the thing you wanted all along, and if we didn't have to write around it and remove her from the plot there wouldn't have even been any repercussions!"

Basically she's a walking plot hole. I immensely prefer the way Brotherhood and the manga handled Trisha, and Ed and Al's relief upon realizing that the dead and dead and there really is no way to bring them back at all, so despite their mistake they didn't cause their mother to suffer trying to bring her back to life.

The only thing you got out of it was "woah COOL fight... wtf parallel world I hate FMA now"? Maybe you were too unintelligent to pay attention to what was actually happening.

>2003 fanfiction
>implying manga isn't a fanfiction by virtue of being written by a female

Let me laugh at your dumb self even harder than you pretend you are.

well thats the whole point of the homunculus?
guess i interpreted it on a weird way
>father takes out his "wrath" and creates wrath
>takes out his lust and createst lust
>father is a "no-feels" person since he lacks all emotions

retards from Sup Forums try to come and shit up the place

Probably one of those fma games

For starters she doesn't even embody sloth. At all.
In fact I would say her character was the antithesis of Sloth because she wanted to take care of her kids and be with them because she had the memories of the original Trisha.
Compare her to the manga Sloth. He wasn't the strongest homunculi but the fastest he was just too lazy.

Also Wrath wasn't didn't represent wrath either but envy because he wanted to become a human and live life as they did.

look at the little edge master

He just wanted to learn and know everything there was to know about the world which he believed would only be possible by becoming God. It all ties in to the "One is all, all is one" philosophy.

>well thats the whole point of the homunculus?
Maybe? But like I said they were completely one dimensional. I preferred how 2003 tried to give them some depth so that some have superiority complexes, some want to become human, and some are just deranged. It tends to tie in better with their sins.

>Wrath - human turned homunculi, feels powerless and trapped in his role, so he takes immense joy in the few personal freedoms and choices that were entirely his own, like his wife.
>Sloth - embodied wasted potential. Among the most powerful homunculi, but completely lacking in motivation and so squanders his strength.
>Gluttony - symbolic of Xerxes itself as illustrated by his innards. Also, not a big fucking dog blob.
>Even 2k3fags admit Greed was better in Brotherhood
Pride and to an extent Envy are the only ones that fit the bill of what you're describing, and even Envy had more nuance to him because he didn't feel superior to humans at all, he was jealous of them.

>He's cheering for the manga and brotherhood that not only brought everything together but had everyone work together against father

So he's cheering for a canned ending? Great. You can buy these off the supermarket of cliche writing on discount.

I did appreciate the dark tone and mood set in the 2003 anime. I guess just the way it looked over all.

It also didn't throw the chibi crap in your face every five minutes.

I still like Brotherhood better though.

Answer the question, user.

Father doesn't have a God Complex?