I finally finished VLR. It was one hell of a ride, but the very end

I finally finished VLR. It was one hell of a ride, but the very end...

I don't fucking understand. The plan in 999 makes sense, it's to ensure that an event in the future that affects the past does in fact happen so history doesn't change. This shit is the exact opposite. How the hell can the loop manage to change history? The plan already failed, and it's a fucking loop. And if it CAN work somehow, it just creates an alternate timeline where Radical-6 doesn't exist, but the original, where it does, would still be there. Good for the people in the new timeline, but nothing is "undone" at all. Not to mention, like Junpei said, it's kinda unnecessary and insulting to everyone in the original timeline since it doesn't benefit them in any way.

The ending of this game should have been Sigma or Kyle, whatever punching this whore in the face with his new robot arm.

Loved it overall, though. All the nice twists and secrets that play into each other, much tougher and more satisfying puzzles, Great interaction between game participants. It's good shit.

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I'm not really sure what her intentions with the plan were either. Maybe she just wanted to guarantee a world where Radical 6 didn't happen or something. Either way I recently finished VLR as well and I agree with you my man. The game was top notch all around. If you plan to continue with ZTD be warned that it is a lot more mediocre than the first 2 games.

I haven't played The newest Zero Escape.

All I need to know is does Junpei finally get the pussy?

Yes

Playing it.

Just make sure you don't get your hopes up for a good story. There are a few nice fanservice moments however so go nuts

>you will never play VLR for the first time ever again
Fuck. I'm of the VLR > 999 opinion, but they were both fucking fantastic, so I guess the sentiment goes to 999 too. Out of curiosity, what game of the two you've played so far did you like better?

All realities are "real" and "valid", so just because one event happened in the past does not mean it is the only event which could've happened in the past. Sigma and Akane have a plan to go back and change the outcome, so that while their world might still be screwed, at least there is some other possible world where humanity survives.

It's somewhat similar to the story in 999. How did young-Akane know the password in the safe, so that she could give the information to current-Junpei so that he could open up the coffin? Except that while 999 said the other timelines were just "potential events" which could've happened but didn't, VLR says they are actual events and the information is being transferred between them.

So yeah, people from the VLR game are still screwed with the world they have. But the plan is just to ensure that at least there is a potential world where humanity doesn't get dicked by the virus.

Kyle is Sigma's son/clone, not Sigma himself.

different guy but it's no contest for me. VLR > 999
I liked Sigma more than Junpei as a protagonist and the big twist being You were Zero all along was really well done. Dio made for a more interesting secondary villain than Ace for me since he had the whole cult motivation thing going on. I also liked Phi a lot and felt like her and Sigma had much better chemistry than Junpei and Akane. Not to say 999 is bad by any means but everything in VLR feels like an improvement to me

I can't even say. Everything fits together so well in 999 and the drawings are top notch, but VLR ups the hills in rollercoaster, so to speak. It gets more thrilling.

>spoiler
I was referring to the another time implication that Kyle went back and not Sigma
Did I interpret that wrong?

I thought ZTD would end up being kind of like K's suit

In the timelines where Sigma and Phi fail, K is Kyle, but in the timeline where Sigma and Phi succeed, K is Akane. So K is really both of them, and the wave function is collapsed when finally observed at the end

My theory was, had ZTD been successful, they'd have exited rhizome-9 and been in the desert to a lunar eclipse, rather than on the moon with a red earth. Basically, reality was the wave function and which one it ended up being was based on their actions

Too bad ZTD was a huge let down

If you haven't played all three games, dont make threads about it lest you get spoiled. Fag.

>Did I interpret that wrong?
They actually went back and retconned that after-ending section, so it effectively didn't happen.

Isn't the presence of Akane's corpse, or lack thereof, what determines who's in the suit?

which is determined by whether or not sigma and phi are successful in saving her

So that whole bit in "Another Time" is pointless?

Yep.

I agree in general, but everyone's been civil so far, so he's good for now.

yes

Unfortunately, yes. Might as well tell you now so you don't get disappointed like the rest of us. Uchi said some shit on Twitter a few weeks back that he only added that to give the game a happier ending.

I'm confused about the nationality of Clover. She is Japanese, right? Yet she ends up recruited by an American agency. Was that just localization confusion?

Another Time was a 4th wall advertisement for ZE3. You were an idiot for ever thinking it was cannon

I just thought the prospect of Doctor Klim loving Kyle enough to send him back was nice, and Tennmyoji laid out a great example of why Akane's plan is ass.

What a shame

Well she was an esper who was involved with the Nonary games.
I don't think they really discriminated for stuff like that and it wouldn't be too outrageous to think they just flew someone in to get her

>thinking it was cannon
>cannon

I didn't know that Clover was Japanese, but the American agency was looking into the events surrounding 999 and so they hired her as one of the people who knew it quite well and because of her abilities.

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Yeah, don't feel bad. I already fucking loved VLR and moments in Another Time were still among the best in the game. Like the biker analogy, for example. And fuck . How the fuck would anyone know it wasn't canon? It was in the game, it matched up with the story. Naturally anyone would think it's meant to be in there.

>I didn't know that Clover was Japanese
That's just it. I don't even know. I assume, because everyone else is, but some things feel off. Why did she refer to Seven as a "Japanese policeman" in VLR? Where did she and Snake run away to exactly? It's said that Clover and Alice were abducted from Los Angeles, and I was using Japanese voices, so I know that wasn't a mixup.

All it takes is one.

>watch is finally arriving tomorrow in the mail
At long last. Never thought I'd see it finally having shipped.

>no one tell "Kyle" what happened at dcom
>(You) are instrumental in saving us
>Only you user!!
>Buy my game
It was literally an advertisement. Watch it again and now think of it in the context that they're selling you the next game.

Whoops, didn't mean to quote.

That's no reason to think it isn't canon, especially if you know jack squat about the next game. Hell, you'd think that was a lead in, wouldn't you?

Yes, we know it was (you)/Blick Winkel. People thought that would relate to the plot of ZTD.

If you knew what happened at dcom, you wouldn't buy the game and the future would fail to be fixed or whatever

I actually hated that extra ending because it was so obviously an advertisement

>or Kyle

yeah don't get too attached to him if you are gonna play ZTD

thanks senpai

VLR because of the flow chart thing. i'm not even sure which I prefer story-wise, but i fucking hated having to replay 999 every time I wanted to try for a new ending, even if it did speed through the old cutscenes you still had to repeat the puzzles you'd played previously. the flow chart thing was a great change to vlr and offset my distaste for the switch to 3D models

If they're all experiencing Radical-6 slowdown from the start, what about that moment where Sigma feels everything seem to speed up in the security room? Alice said she felt that too, in one timeline.

That was when the Radical-6 was getting to them and making them seriously ill.

But how does that make them even slower? They said it slows down your thought processes by the root of one-sixth. That's a specific number, and everything was built around it being specific.

Don't try to make sense of VLR or ZTD.
Both games went full retard with the time traveling and mind hacks.
Just appreciate 999 for what it is

this, plus clover is her real name and snake's real name is light

Nah, ZTD was like the definition of full retard with the mindhacks, but VLR wasn't with the time traveling. It had time traveling, but it was smart about it and had air-tight explanations.

>this, plus clover is her real name
I thought it was Yotsuba and Clover was a localization? See, this shit is confusing. Is she Japanese or not.

It doesn't really matter either way does it?

I just want to know if she's Japanese or American. It's bugging me.

Everybody else in 999 was a nip so chances are she's one too

The point is to send Sigma and Phi back to before Rad-6 escaped so that they can try to stop it.

>The plan already failed, and it's a fucking loop. And if it CAN work somehow, it just creates an alternate timeline where Radical-6 doesn't exist, but the original, where it does, would still be there.
Yep. In a way, that ruins VLR and ZTD. It goes from creating the correct timeline where nothing bad happens to just jumping until the character land in the correct timeline. Other timelines still exist.