What are some games that didn't start out as their own IPs, but somehow became them?

What are some games that didn't start out as their own IPs, but somehow became them?

All I can think of are Wolfenstein and SMT.

Mario

Mario from DK
Yoshi and Wario from Mario

I feel like you could have worded that better.

Rabbids briefly.
Prinnies also had a couple side games, but I don't know if that'd qualify specifically.

The difference is that the Prinny games were glorious, the Rabbids games were cancer.

Devil May Cry started out as a Resident Evil title.

How'd that happen with SMT and Wolfenstein, got me interested here

Smash went from generic fighter to a nintendo fighter. Kinda the opposite, really.

Wasn't Team Fortress Classic a mod of a different Valve game?

SMT1 is a spin off of Megami Tensei.

How is it a spin off? Its more like a reboot.

SMT1 was actually a licensed game based of a manga called Megami Tensei

Wolfenstein 3D is actually based on an old DOS game called Wolfenstein

STALKER?

TFC was a port of TF to the goldsrc engine which was a standalone version of QTF.

Heroes of Might&Magic

Isn't it Persona that's a spin off from the Shin Megami Tensei games??

Do Banjo and Conker count?

Demon's Crest

I think what OP means is games that became their own IPs mid-series, not mid-developement.

The whole series started as an adaptation of a Japanese novel, called Digital Devil Story. They made an OVA out of it, which is interesting to check out if you're a fan, just to see concepts that are still familiar to the series.

Yeah, it is. They don't even use the SMT name on Persona 5, so I guess its a new IP now.

I think it can go either way. It's his call if he's still here.

In a sense, yes. Both were different IP's, Conker being Timber's game and Banjo being a supporting character for Dream.

Frasier

SMT itself is also a spinoff.

Persona only used SMT in the name as marketing in the west i do believe

Doesn't that just move the origins of Wolfenstein back to the DOS game, what's the difference between the two

I was thinking that too. IP means intellectual property, so it's sort of a business term for "concept, characters, and brand name that I own". I think franchise is the word you were looking for OP.

But yeah I mean almost all franchises are like that: if it turns out that there's money to be made in the game, they're more likely to spin it off and make a ton of sequels.

As far as surprising ones though, I guess I'd say something like Tetris. It's been ported all over the place with tons of updated variants, and there's a fucking movie in the works right now.

Putting Shin Megami Tensei on their spinoff titles was purely an American thing. The Japanese titles were always labeled with Megami Ibunroku instead to classify them as spin-offs.

pretty sure it's the other way around.
I'm also pretty sure the series started with Persona 4

That's silly reasoning. just because Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland doesn't have The Legend of Zelda in the title doesn't make it not a spinoff. Persona and SMT have all the same monsters, themes and more or less the same gameplay. People who say they're different series' are just people who for some reason really hate Persona.

The DOS game wasn't made by the id guys. They didn't even have the rights for it or anything.

Both Mario and Yoshi share enemies, yet you don't call Yoshi games Mario games, now, do you?

Funny enough, Dino Crisis also started out as a Resident Evil title.

TF and CS started as mods

Underrated post. You can't talk about Demon's Crest without Gargoyle's Quest though.

I don't think those count though, they're just spin-offs from the Ghosts n' Goblins series.

Came here to post Counter Strike. Garry's Mod counts in the same vein too.

DOTA too. Valve really are just hacks that steal original ideas and make them their own.

hell portal wasnt even theirs, i mean it wasnt just a mod it was an actualy game some college kids were making but still portal wasn't their own idea.

>SMT1 was actually a licensed game based of a manga called Megami Tensei
MT1 was. SMT1 is a different game.

Counterstrike and Assfaggots.

>main focus is game engine
>hacks

you are idiot

What?

Captain Toad.
Un Jammer Lammy.

warcraft started as a warhammer game

Devil may cry

Megami Tensei is the name of the franchise as a whole.

Shin Megami Tensei and Megami Ibunroku Persona are spin-offs of that franchise. Persona became Shin Megami Tensei Persona in North America to easily market the game better.

In fact, Digital Devil Saga and Devil Summoner are also spin-offs of Megami Tensei and not Shin Megami Tensei. SMT is a very self contained series featuring 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 Final, and Strange Journey.