Why did Japanese PC gaming go downhill so badly...

Why did Japanese PC gaming go downhill so badly? They showed much promise in the 80s but then they kind of fell on their face. Now it's a happy day if they just port a console game to PC, let alone develop good games specifically for it.

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sadly most japanese PC games are just big tits
the good devs stick with sony and nintendo for whatever reason

Japanese people have shitty PCs and the whole PC master race fad never caught on there. PC gaming is a tiny niche, even smaller than the West. It's no surprise their PC gaming scene is almost nonexistent.

The reason it was bigger in the 80s was that making games for shit like the FM-Towns was cheaper and easier than putting it on a console, and the profit was comparable. Even after the Famicom made waves there, Nintendo still jewed the shit out of anyone who wanted to publish a game on their console, so it balanced out.

Nowadays, even with a unified PC architecture under x86, the console market share has grown so much that it's basically impossible to make a profitable PC-only game over there, let alone a serious AAA project that's not just some indie shit.

There are some really good PC games that came out of Japan in the last two decades though. If you really want PC games that are like back in the PC-98 days though, you have to go to the eroge scene. That's where all the talent is now. Companies that published games in that era are almost all gone, but their talent still works in PC gaming - it's just that the games they work on are lewd. I think the reason all the PC talent has coalesced into eroge is because erotic games can never be released on a console, so they had to band together on PC.

There are exceptions to that paradigm though. Take Alicesoft for example, they've been making porn games since the 80's and they're still doing it today, whether on PC-98 or MS-DOS or mobile platforms.

You also have to keep in mind that the vast majority of the console market share - and prior to the release of the Xbox, ALL the market share - came from Japanese companies. Consoles are a big deal over there, much more than they are here. Especially portables.

I think part of the problem is that Japan always went with weird, Japan-only architecture for their machines. The MSX at least saw some popularity in PAL regions, but the PC-98 platform, which was pretty much Japan's most popular range of PCs during the late 80s through mid 1990s, were incompatible with American software due to some bizzare choices made by NEC rather than sticking to the tried and true IBM compatible format.

There was also the Sharp X68000, which was arguably the most powerful home computer of the 1980s, besting even the mighty Amiga with a burly 32-bit address bus and graphical capabilities that would have been considered impressive even going into the 90s. But it never saw the light of day outside of Japan, making it irrelevant everywhere else.

Japan basically became a technological island when it came to PCs. The Apples and IBM compatibles did find their way there, but they were not the preferred choice of Japanese home consumers. They had to feel special with their fancy Japan-only systems. This meant the market for games was increasingly limited, so developers jumped ship for the consoles.

When it became clear that Japan-only formats were a dead end, the only people who really stuck to making computer games in Japan were porn game developers, who were not welcome on consoles. They migrated over to the X86 machines in the 90s and the rest is history.

that makes a lot of sense
thanks user

PC gaming in Korea is huge but unfortunately they have shit taste and only play ASSFAGGOTS and other e-sport bait.

Basically all eroge are PC exclusives though, so it's good.

It's a shame that games are pretty much the only fun thing they can do on PCs there since porn is illegal.

I still can't fucking believe that.

Nips are pretty dumb tech wise

I'm getting the feeling that this is supposed to be Sierra from Legend of Mana

Porn is illegal and so is anonymity, so they can't use Sup Forums without a proxy and the thought of doing something illegal with a computer scares most of them away. Basically it's an SJW's dream come true. You still see South Korean flags on Sup Forums and Sup Forums though.

I thought Sup Forums was banned because of the porn boards.

I haven't even played LOM but I know who she is. I should buy a copy off of eBay sometime.

Did anyone ever write a decent guide about how to correctly use the map builder mechanic? I heard that the original official English language guide was really poorly written and didn't explain shit.

They actually had plenty of interesting titles in the mid/late 90s, but sadly it's all MMO shit nowadays

Economic bubble popped. Couldn't spend huge sums for little profit anymore. Didn't stop some people like Viper though.

I found some decent guides for it on Gamefaqs. There are some that vary but it depends on what you're trying to get end game.

All the quests might be one set up.
Better materials and more of them might be a different setup.

That was the main reason, but even if there was no porn, anonymous boards are still illegal in Korea because you're not allowed to post content with your official ID visible. They supposedly did away with the right to be anonymous because of "harassment" concerns, which is the same reason cited by the people who are trying to kill internet anonymity in the West.

That's fucking scary. Why does Korea sound like some future dystopia?

if I were unable to post on Sup Forums and porn was illegal I would literally kill myself

Consoles emerged because back then, computers were specialized devices.

After standardization and the idea that the personal computer was a multi-faceted tool the PC began to essentially exist as a console and more in it's own right.

Japanese capitalism is very conservative and refused to change the way the market functioned, so many were unwillng to utilize the modern PC as a platform.

Because PC was free of certain restrictions consoles had in terms of censorship, PC became a porn console.

Because Wangblows fucked everyone up and nipps were to prideful to make games on the western platform that killed theirs.

That's nothing compared to China. In China, they are going to start trawling your social media and E-commerce accounts soon and giving people "citizenship ratings" that can determine how they behave, and your citizenship rating will determine how much freedom the government lets you have, including the freedom to travel and take out loans from the bank. One thing that can drive your citizenship rating down is by being friends with people who have a low citizenship rating. Basically they are farming out the police state enforcement to a population by gamifying citizenship, because they know people will bully their friends into being submissive to the state if they are afraid of their score going down.

Holy fucking shit. That's straight up evil.

Doubt it'll matter. Chinese government is shit at everything, including controlling their own populace.

now you know why korea monkey are #1 in suicide

They did have Windows for the PC-98, but it was a port. A regular copy of Windows would not install on the PC-98 because its architecture was too different from IBM's X86 platform. It was basically a bandaid over the inherent problem that NEC should have been making IBM Compatibles, but they wanted to do their own thing.

From the regime that brought you Tienanmen Square.

>tfw two korean porn artists I follow pretty much stopped uploading stuff, with rumors of other korean porn artists going underground
Im still mad

I can't find source on google/iqdb

Japs don't use PCs at home. Look it up, I'm serious. Only the otaku tier PCfags will have a desktop. The rest of the population just use their phones to go online or use the school/library PCs.

they're even less graphical whores

That's pretty much the only reason that Chinese people have as much freedom as they do-- the government is too incompetent to police everyone's thoughts and behavior, and they are hoping that social media is their chance to regain some of their lost control over how people think and behave. They're also looking into genetic engineering humans, no doubt to make a genetically more submissive population to rule over.

Never before in history has there been a country as big as China that has been so thoroughly invested in extinguishing the phenomena of free will. Others have tried but not on a population of 1 billion people who don't even all speak the same language.

Enjoy some Sindoll.
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I can't quite remember but there was really great artist (I think they had Doll in their name) who I didn't know was Korean. He had to stop making shit and I think he deleted the accounts too. It fucking sucks.

Japan has pretty much become the porn capital of East Asia. Even Koreans who want to draw smut often times publish it through Japanese proxies.

Yeah, it was metal owl and ero doll

South Korea is a literal tyrannical hellhole only a shade better than North Korea. When you register for any game in SK you have to input the equivalent of your social security number, if you insult another player, cheat, or are logged playing past the 8 PM curfew or for more than a certain number of hours per day, you go to jail.

Was I getting Ero Doll mixed up with Metal Owl or do they just have similar art styles?

I think it was China where they did electroshock therapy to "cure" someone of their "computer game addiction," but I wouldn't be at all surprised if South Korea started doing it too.

Being a kid in South Korea is hell. You don't have any siblings and you're discouraged from going out and having fun with other kids, so you start playing video games with other people online and making friends through your computer. And then the government steps in and tells you you're doing it too much and you have to stop or they'll fine your parents or some other shit.

It's no wonder so many of them want to leave for America and even Japan. Japan is incredibly racist towards Koreans but I'm sure if your a Korean on the outside, it sounds like the land of milk and honey because they hear about people playing video games, watching porn and using message boards all day without restriction.

Theyre close friends

Two words: portable devices
They basically fired all competent devs and ceased developing tech because they thought they would earn $$$ by throwing SNES thrash for 40$. Then android happened.

I'm going to give the next Korean person I see a hug.

Fuck, dude.

Some of the most fucked up shit I've seen in internet is lying basically openly on chinese sites. Basically the rule is just not to gather into zerg about anything and then gov basically won't give a fuck.

Koreans are racist assholes, though. They deserve worse.

I thought it was just illegal to produce, not to own.

>They had to feel special with their fancy Japan-only systems
hmm weird its almost like they needed to use a totally different input standard, yeah fancy those japs

The "made in China" stereotype applies to pretty much everything over there, including the government.

It's why I don't worry about China trying to start a war-- they don't want to put all of those fancy military vehicles they love to parade around into battle, because they're basically bootlegged knockoffs of American equipment. They have about the same kind of quality control you might expect from bootleg Chinese products, and they would rather not have the world see their fighter jets falling out of the sky and missiles failing to launch because they cut corners.

All Asians grow up hating each other because of their governments or dumb historical shit. I don't blame them.

Having a dedicated ROM chip for Japanese language is one thing, but there are a lot of other differences between PC-98 and X86 that don't make any sense. They didn't bother to conform to the IBM Compatible standard because they didn't see any reason for it-- to them, IBM was for Roman language countries, and NEC would be for Japan. As the world became more and more interconnected through computers and the internet though, the PC-98 standard found itself without a niche to fill.

No sane country on earth would deploy infantry and vehicles in a large scale assault. An all-out war would mean bacterial weapons and nukes, basically armageddon.

It's basically the Hatfields and McCoys on a global scale. Still no-where near as bad as the Balkan states though. I asked about what the deal was with the Balkan states on Sup Forums once and I practically wanted to cry when I saw how much these people hate each other over the stupidest shit that happened hundreds of years ago, and the things they would say to each other. It was worse than watching people argue over Black Lives Matters.

>Nips
>PC gaming

The japanese are so incredibly insular about everything, and despite having a public image that makes them seem like they're at the forefront of all tech, so many of their practices are so dated that you get startups from people in the west who come in and make it really easily there simply because they're up-to-date on what's actually efficient.

>enter Japan
>see the bullet train and fancy automated stock market behind glass
>travel a few miles outside the city
>there are people still using outhouses and bathing in ponds

Ero Doll was fucking incredible, but I think he's getting a proxy doujin published or something

Neat. I'll have to look into it.

>dayum booty
>find source
>its fucking furfag shit
WHY?!

They work and study all day, no time to obsses over computer parts and related autistic shit when you are burnt out, just turn the machine on and relax.

Why fight it?

There's prebuilts for that though. If you are someone who has more money than time or patience then there's no shame in going that route.

Are you sure they were bathing and not just swimming for fun? People do that in countries with clean ponds.

You couldn't tell from the shoulders?

Have you seen what Japanese get offered for Pre-builts though?
They START at the US equivalent of $800, and only go higher from there, and those aren't even i3's and are using onboard video cards at that.
For something like an i5/cheap i7 with a Geforce 760 or something equvalent, it would be nearing ~$1800 for them, and for 'top of the line alienware' equivalent, they would be spending well over $2500 for that.

There's also that whole thing about US fucking them over (like, literally: "You stop doing into software or we'll ban you from coal import.") to allow Microshit world dominance in computing.

US stalled their PCs so they turned to other means and, funnily enough, flooded the US with Nintendo, SEGA and Playstation.

But really, fuck US for getting us into this shit. Monopolies and shit are only bad when they affect their citizens but everyone else can get fucked and gets attacked for fighting back.

They moved on to handhelds and occasionally consoles. PC gaming above flash game levels is uncommon over there.

It can't be helped.

>EU after WWII is the reason why Japan has to censer their porn so oddly
>US is the reason why Japan's PC market is so fucked
>South Korea is the reason why Japan doesn't own any other islands anymore
Being Japan is suffering.

is there something wrong with that?
i'm confused

>Being Japan is suffering.

Don't forget being surrounded by pretty barbaric places like Korea or China or knowing that if a war broke out, most South Koreans still say they'd rather side with China than help Japan as they're not bound by NATO.
Or the fact the iland has no good natural resources to speak of and they must buy shit like coal or oil from somewhere else.

They drew the short straw when picking a starting position.

I'll never forget the first time I found Rose and Camellia though.

nigoro.jp/en/games/rose/

They done pretty well for an island nation. I'd say.

Good. Fuck the Japanese, imperialistic assholes.

Not true any more, mobile is bigger than PC there.

Mobile won't replace PC gaming in Korea until they find a way to make it into eSports, and I don't really see that happening since handheld gaming is such an isolating experience and played on tiny screens.

The rest of her is pretty distracting so I'm not really surprised.