Nintendo's never going to bring this up, are they?

Nintendo's never going to bring this up, are they?

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What is there to bring up?

Why did they give two characters who seem to have nothing to do with each other such an obvious link?

nabbit is my favorite mario bros character

he's (from concept to conclusion) cute as fuck and if you disagree you have no soul

He is cute. I wonder if we'll ever see him without that bandana

What are you talking about? They never really interact, unless you're playing NSLU.

I wonder if its a japanese thing.
Either way, Nabbit's usually against the Koopa Troop so there probably isn't much of a connection

the bandana/bib asshole

Nabbit probably just idolizes Bowser Jr.
They're not the same mask.

The bandana, dingus

Nabbit was awesome in Paper Jam. kudos to Alpha Dream. hope in the next M&L he teams up with Popple!

That sounds like an interesting plot point between two characters that would be a big development for the both of them.
In other words, Nintendo is never going to bring it up.

What about them?

Croco = Popple > Nabbit

So is Nabbit actually a rabbit? Or is he a toad with eyes painted on?

Weirdly the bandanna was how he turned into Shadow Mario in Sunshine and it had Mario's mustache painted on it.

Now it's just a fashion statement or something.

I figured he stole one of his napkins

That nigger Tac from kirby super star stole bowser jr bandanna on his way to the mushroom kingdom.

He's blinked before, so he isn't a toad. He's also wiggled his ears, so i'm assuming he is actually a rabbit.

That's dumb, nobody likes Bowser Jr, let alone idolizes him. He's just some unrespected baby version of Bowser. People fear and respect Bowser. They're both just weak little characters thay wear fake fangs to look intimidating, like Bowser does. That's the connection.

Back in the day, it was implied Junior wore it to look scarier. In NSMBW he wore it whenever he was with the Koopalings.

He didn't wear in front of Roy in Paper Jam, though. That's another thing Nintendo is never going to address: what's the status between Junior and the Koopalings.

How is it a Japanese thing? Litterally have never seen fanged bandanas outside of Mario

If that's the case, why wear it? He's stolen lots of shit, he could wear anything he wants, so why the bandana?

I know, that's why I said "in NSMBW". For now, it seems like Junior is The boss's kid".

I heard some things like fighter planes have the mouths or juvenile delinquients wearing face masks.

He's Bowser's bratty son. People treat Bowser Jr the same way they'd treat a vase Bowser likes.

Okay, looking it up you're right: apparently wearing bandanas on the face is a thing punk kids do in Japan. But the fact that they're both punk kids doesn't explain why they have the exact same design-- Junior I can see having the fighter plane thing because he's always about flying in stuff, but not Nabbit. It seems too blatent to be a coincidence.

If that's the case, why'd Roy call him 'squirt' like it was a pet name? They've danced around this for awhile, but that one line made me think they have SOME internal idea of an answer even if they weren't going to put in a game.

Nabbit is a kid? Also I like to theorize that Nabbit once stole a good bandanna from Jr. before so Jr. had made himself a crudely drawn version of his old bandanna.

I mean we don't know for sure, but look at that face he doesn't look old, at least. When I say 'punk kid' I mean any young thug. I guess he could have stolen it, but we've never seen Junior with the neater bandana Nabbit has

Roy sees Junior as a runt, so he's not really intimidated by him. He only feel threatened by Junior if you tell his father on him.

That didn't come across in the dialogue to me, but maybe. Seemed more casual than dismissive

Why the bowser jr. bandana? what about why ravio?

seriously nintendo is making no sense with two purple rabbit things in both mario and zelda, one of which loosely connected to bowser jr. for some reason... I understand nothing.

They already addressed Ravio and Nabbit in an interview as a coincidence. They haven't adressed the wether its the same deal for Bowser Jr. and Nabbit.

They confirmed that it was only a coincidence. Also, I think Nabbit came first.

nabbit did but coincidence that two of the newest major characters from their two biggest franchises are purple rabbit themed for NO reason...wtf nintendo how could you not notice this and chalk it up to coincidence.

they'd probably just say the bandana is coincidence too and that would not satisfy me as an explanation either.

I think it's because they've already worked with Junior a few times and they are Bowser's "proteges" at least. So it's more like "The Boss' kid who you see every so often."

To be fair, Ravio's outfit is a big clue to his true identity when you consider the parallels to ALTTP.

It could be that the bandana meant to have significance at some point but got lost over time. In his original apperance I swear Nabbit was meant to be a toad. He never blinked, he never moved his ears, his head was perfectly toad shaped and everything, but later on he seemed more like an actual rabbit. Maybe they were originally going to make him Junior's minion?

Why are his eyelids black? Is the purple just a costume?

If you look at the way it crumples, like in I'd say he is wearing a suit, but I think the head at least is actually that shape

>what's the status between Junior and the Koopalings.
I didn't play Paper Jam, but didn't they explain it some there?
Anyway, I'd assume they're pretty close. Even if the Koopalings aren't Bowser's kids, it's likely that they're still treated like his kids, or at the very least, very high ranking members of the Koopa army

Nope, never brought up. The snippet between Roy and Bowser Jr was the only hint we got. That and that Bowser got way more upset when Junior was hurt than when the koopalings were defeated.

true but then why a purple rabbit and not a pink one...

Bowser Jr. kinda wants to be friends with them, but because he's the prince, he also frequently pulls rank on them, so he will never be friends with them.

Also, here's some deepest lore from NSMB Wii. Ludwig was the one who left Bowser Jr. behindvin world 6. Since he's known to have an eye on the throne, its inferrable he did this on purpose.

But we don't know if that was Ludwig

>Bowser Jr. kinda wants to be friends with them,
That whole subplot about Bowser Jr. being friends with his paper counterpart and then losing him in the end was a bit depressing.
Also, I'm surprised they were actually exploring Junior's lonely side that was mentioned once Mario Party DS.

I'm pissed they didn't give us a conclusion. Yeah, I know Mario wouldn't have looked to hot if they had done it-- I'm assuming that's WHY they did it-- but they should have at least left an NPC around in the post-game that mentions what happened to them.

Why did E. Gadd give Bowser Jr. the brush?

Why was FLOOD just sitting in the middle of the airstrip?

Maybe the brush was originally intended to have something to do with the ghost paintings.
Maybe E. Gadd came across this sad little koopa who told him his mother was gone and he wanted to see her, so Gadd gave it to him and said 'If you draw with this, all your wishes will come true!'

Reads the newspaper the next morning, shits bricks, and never tells anyone it ever happened.

Il Piantissimo is the Running Man and nobody gives a shit about that either

E Gadd is neutral, and he helps whoever ask him nicely
Has he been sent to the hills with toadsworth or is he luigi's mansion only now?

Because he's a senile old fart

That's a good question desu. Maybe in the storyboards E. Gadd was going to be in Sunshine but they decided against it for the final product.

How did Bowser Jr get a hold of E. Gadd's magic brush?

This is my headcanon now.

Bowser Jr's final form

World 6.
6 Koopalings had been defeated. They walk home after their defeat. Ludwig was the only boss on the airship at the time. It was the second time it had happened, so it couldn't have been an accident.

I don't get it

He says in the mechabowser cutscene that E. Gadd gave it to him.

so e.Gadd is evil, or Bowser JR lied

If that's the case I wish they'd do something with it. Nintendo seems so hell bent against any lasting revelations about characters as of late.

I'd be awesome if the paintbrush is involved in the next Luigi's Mansion title somehow

>Super Mario World
>Ludwig is the only Koopaling that uses moves similar to Bowser (shooting fire and making large jumps)

>SMB3
>considered Bowser's right hand

Paper Jam did a bit with it too
>tries to boss the other Koopalings around
>when defeated him, exclaims "I've been dethroned!"

I also like how his tendency to steal other people's moves has been consistent across appearences.

I mean between Ludwig and Junior, if this friction is supposed to be there. They don't even need to make it serious, it could be played for laughs, but if it is what they had in mind they should at least do SOMETHING with it.

No, the friction isn't against Junior in particular. It's just that Ludwig is the ambitious one. I'm sure Nintendo didn't intend it but it fits his SNES-era characterization in a clever way

I see it like this. So that one blue bandanna with Mario's mustache drawn on it that he worn in SMS only? I believed BJ made that bandanna since he's known for being a mechanic in the recent time (he's probably the one who created that Mecha Bowser boss). He used the bandanna to disguised himself as Mario to trick E. Gadd into giving him the paintbrush. After a while when Gadd realized his mistake, he created Fludd and sent him over Delfino, knowing Mario and co. would come over later to fix the havoc BJ caused there.

They're brothers, but Junior is the favorite and they all know it.

How can the bandana be mechanical? I thought it was made using the paintbrush

Probably because besides Larry all the Koopings are teens, and Junior comes off as like 4.

That's a pretty specific age range-- where does it say everyone but Larry is a teen?

Tha'ts pretty much how the Prima guide said it: Junior disguised himself as Mario and tricked E.Gadd into giving him the brush. The only outlier is how the bandana works (namely, does it need the brush).

I don't think the Prima guides are canon, but if that is the case it's pretty bizzare that the disguise that makes him into a paint-like double of Mario wasn't made with the paintbrush.

>magic paintbrush
>gotta get back the ghosts from the magic paintings for E. Gadd.

Why have I never made this connection before?

Mario lore really is deep.

Considering Prima said that Peach and Daisy are cousins (among other things), yeah.

They aren't brothers-- even adopted ones. I can tell just by the fact that Bowser went ballistic and blew up Peach's castle when Junior was hurt, yet he just folded his arms and went 'Hmph' when all the koopalings were defeated in front of him. Nintendo would never go out of its way to paint Bowser as an abusive parent-- he's supposed to be the fun kind of evil, and that's too unlikeable for his character.

That's just how they come off to me, like a bunch of teens, but Larry was always the youngest and he was put in the easiest world in SMB3, then rugt next to Bowser in SMW, so he seemed younger.

>playing mario super sluggers
>mario and friends invite bowser and jr to party after mario beats them
>bowser doesnt want to go but goes anyway because jr does

the lore runs deep

What, yes they are, unless there was a retcon I don't know abouy.

Come on man, don't bait. You know.

>We will never get Peach criticizing Bowser's parenting skills again.

Junior's evil because he wants his dad to be proud of him.

It's kinda sad they don't really play the Junior-Peach relationship anymore. Junior hasn't treated Peach like his mom in awhile, and Peach just seems to see him as another one of Bowser's minion's now.

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Yeah, but raising Junior to be as evil as him is nowhere near as despicable as giving zero shits about his 'adopted children' being beaten up in front of him. That's why I think they're just his high level minions .

I don't know about it being mechanical, but in the scene where Junior revealed himself had him pulled his mask down once he turned back to his normal self.

Oh. Thanks. What's the point in changing that though?

Well yeah, everyone agrees the bandana is behind the disguise, but the question is, in a senario where he tricked E. Gadd into giving him the brush with his Shadow Mario disguise, how did he get the Shadow Mario disguise in the first place?
Probably because keeping track of that many family members is a nightmare and just focusing on one father-son relationship makes it more meaningful and less hectic.

What if Jr. was actually just Nabbit?

That can't be-- he steals from Bowser in Paper Jam, which Junior would never do in a million years, and he can actually fight Bowser Jr. in NSLB. Plus Nabbit's eyes are way too big to be Junior's

They are definitely his minions at this stage. Them calling him "Master Bowser" solidified it.

I presume it was because of the change in dynamics and how long the Koopalings were missing. The Koopalings were just Bowser's minions who happen to be his children. Either Bowser came off as negligent and abusive or the Koopalings were merely high ranking henchmen Bowser decided to call upon again. Also:

Yeah, it was kind of cute actually. Like even though Peach doesn't share the same feeling towards Bowser, she probably felt it was her responsibility to be sure that Bowser Jr. is raised properly. That kind of shows that Peach might have a slight concern for her so-called "son".

just but like, he uses the mask thing to transform his self a la Shadow Mario

Well like I said, why would Junior ever steal from his dad, or help Mario in any way shape or form?
Maybe they'll hint at it again someday-- I think him pulling her out of the way of his giant claw in NSMBU opening was something, at least.

So since Jr put away the doppleganger bandanna thing...who is Cosmic Mario?

>Well like I said, why would Junior ever steal from his dad,
sabotaging his dad for the chance to assassinate him and assume his rightful place as king
>or help Mario in any way shape or form?
to get on mario's good side and shank him when he least expects it

it's all according to the master plan

Like I said, Junior is kind of the brain to Bowser's brawn and he is like a baby koopa version of Eggman. If he was the one of who built that Mecha Bowser Boss in his appearance, then I could see him being the one who created the bandanna. That or he used some sort of magic since his father is known for that kind of stuff sometimes. Either way, this answer here might still not make sense, but that's just my thought, is all.

If he wanted to assassinate his dad, why did he revive him in NSMB? He was basically the Koopa King at that point-- he only revived Bowser because he genuinely loves his dad.

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