Games must be hard

>Games must be hard
>Games must be challenging
>You must die over and over again
>You have to play a lot to be able to clear a game
Since when gaming is a work?

>he dies over and over at work

Only people who claim that are neckbeard NEETs who have no other challenges in their lives.

a game is always defined by lose and win condition. If you can't lose it's not a game, it's just a waste of time.

games are only challenging when you play against someone else, look at sports, chess, card games etc. This is why MOBAs ans ahooters are so popular. They are funny, challenging, instafun etc. Too bad /v is too autistic to admit it

Some games have no clear objective, minecraft for instance.
I just finished playing projext diva x over my weekend from work, not challenging, but genuinely relaxing. Argue how you will, but isnt enjoyng the game enough?

In my opinion, there's room for both. Hard challenging games that engage you and require you to be as concentrated as possible and more casual freeform games that are more about you fucking around. If you can have a balance of the two, even better.

What if I find other challenges not fun?

It's work to you because you are a dumb casual

Keep casuals out of my fucking vidya

That's not true at all. Children play games all the time with no lose or win conditions because they are a pastime. And in some games the objective isn't to win or lose but to learn such as the point of Floor Games by HG Wells.

>playing a game is work
wew

>projext diva x over my weekend from work, not challenging,
Fuck you user.

I don't think anyone is saying all games need to be challenging and hard. But games / series that once provided players a challenge that get made easier so it becomes more "accessible" is horse shit.

That's it, either make it a challenge or something where you can try out different things and explore.

But there's so many games being made that are completely linear and sterile, and completely not challenging . I really don't see the point of these. "Can you press buttons and get to the next cutscene?"

Can a playstation really read vita games like this?

Fuck off normie

Yes, just put it on the tray

Those are fine too if it has good atmosphere and plot, in my opinion.

The true ideal.

Like what game? I don't remember a kid's game where there were no losers.

The problem I see is that the uninteresting gameplay ruins the pacing of said plot. It's filler for a frustrated film screenwriter.

There is adifference between setting your own victory condition (your own objective so to speak) and doing something without a victory condition at all.

roleplay

Then it's an interactive experience.

You are not an actor doing a random scene , you are trying to accomplish something when RPing.

fuck off autist

Challenge is part of fun. Raising difficulty for the sake of game being difficult isn't good by any means but certain type of fun can only be achieved when increasing difficulty. Just like there are people who like bitter/sweet/sour things there are people who like certain types of games.

>Since when gaming is a work?
t. I've never had a hobby in my life and I cannot get good at anything, not even fucking videogames
Commit sepuku immediately, oppa.

If anything games have only become easier over the years with all the handholding and pandering to capture a bigger target audience.

People who claim games like Dark Souls are hard have never played pic related.

>going into a murderous rage at lines on a graph

I'm sorry, whose the autist?

>people that claim game from genre X is hard haven't played game from genre Y
Please throw your posts into garbage.

>Games must be challenging
this is the only true statement
games that are not challenging are boring

He's not wrong, you know.

He is wrong.

Why are you angry?

Good thing since pic related is garbage

Template please, OP?