Do we nerf the top tiers or do we buff the bottom ones?

Do we nerf the top tiers or do we buff the bottom ones?

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A little of both.

this is always the right answer
more buffs than nerfs though

we wipe the game from our hard drive and play a better game

we all stop playing this piece of shit

Fucking this. I never thought a game would make me miss when people played SFIV of all things...but SFV does just that.

I can't wait until superior limb-based combat: the game comes out

there is no better game to install on our hard drive. because publishers are stupid faggot cunts

They just need to fix Chun-li's retarded IAL, that shit was not supposed to be the game's best divekick. Everything else about her is good enough for her to be a strong character but not broken.

Then they can leave the other top tiers just like they are and buff the bottom and low-mid tiers.

play a better game

>enemy is playing top 5 character
>you are playing bottom 5 character
almost a guaranteed loss if you're somewhat similar skill

This game needs a change from the ground up. Changing a character or two around won't do a single thing.

You can punish it with every character though.

Overhaul the entire fighting system

I think it's the lack of universal defensive options the do it. Everyone has these character-specific things.

Games like KOF13, there was a top 5 or 10 or whatever.. but you could still do pretty good with characters like Joe, Mature, Terry, etc.

What I'm saying is SFV is a shifty game with shifty mechanics.

Typos. Phone posting

Maybe add some new mechanic? I mean we got v system but sf4 we had plinking, advanced linking, focus, red focus, focus cancel, multiple ultras....

Thanks to that i think that even if you took two players playing the same character you will have 2 different styles ( take jwong rufus vs ortiz rufus)

I have yet to see a karin or a nash differ from one another

There isn't a huge disparity between top and bottom tier in sfv, its relatively balanced. I'd say a little of both, tweaking each character and maybe some mechanic overhauls.

my retard super gold opinions:
-nerf ryus damage and weaken his meaty options a bit
-tweak/remove chuns IALs
-nash is really fine imo, just popular. At most, make his dash slower
-make bisons parry as fast as ryus, give him an overhead and a better antiair
-cammys fine
-birdies fine, maybe a couple tiny frame buffs
-kens fine
-necalli could use some frame nerfs across the board, maybe remove that gay overhead CC
-vegas fine
-laura and mika both are so setup heavy I have no idea what they could change, or if they even need to change anything. Maybe some frame and range buffs for laura and making Mika's v-trigger only do white damage
-rashid slight frame buffs
-karin I have no idea, maybe make her MK have less range or be slower or something
-zangief I have no idea, he could use a tool to push thru zoning a touch more imo
-sim no idea
-fang better frames on attacks and dashes, some kind of ex reversal
-alex sleeper op, but some moves could use their frame data buffed
-guile needs to be able to link more of his buttons into things
the rest of the dlc characters idk, they'll probably get buffed here and there since they're generally lackluster compared to the original roster.

big mechanic overhauls. I'd like the removal of jab antiairs alongside the buffing of other antiair options. The jumpin options feel too good versus the lackluster weak AA that reset into a neutral situation.

Other than that the game is pretty aces, maybe they'll cut down on the 8frames thing but I think thats mainly a big meme.

>lack of universal defensive options

quick tech, normal tech, backroll, alpha counter, and fuzzy jump. that's just basics and doesn't introduce character specific defensive options or further OS exploration.

So I dunno sounds fine to me. Maybe you should view defense as more than having a DP.

nerf necalli dp

I didn't play a character with a dp when I played this game.

>nash is fine
stopped reading there

>ken is fine

>-kens fine

Nope.

>-vegas fine

Nope.

>-karin I have no idea, maybe make her MK have less range or be slower or something

Karin's a case of a top-tier character inexplicably having a ton of junk specials. They should think about changing her up.

she's a top tier because she deals 70% out of 1 medium confirm, and stuns
nerf her damage and ryu's

Once they fix 8 frames, Nash will be fine. 90% of the character is his insane dash. Everything else is pretty whatever compared to other top tiers.

Call me when Sagat make it into the game.

>she's a top tier because she deals 70% out of 1 medium confirm, and stuns

No, she's top-tier because she has arguably the best normals in the game.

>Mr. grand total of 3 unsafe normals
>fine

you won't do shit with good normals if you don't convert them into damage both of what she has

Who gives a shit? The rest of the top tier have great normals too.

The game is balanced pretty well that some characters only need buffs, like the bottom 4 well say. Nobody needs a Nerf.

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When's the capcom announcement at TGS ? They're supposed to reveal some SFV stuff along with the september update release date

>Alex
>Zangief
>Juri
>Bison
>Rashid
>F.A.N.G.

You can only buff four of these characters. Who do you pick?

The mid-tier character could use some quality of life changes too. Some match-ups are quite skewed.

the main problem with the game is that even if you know what top tier chars are going to do, you cannot stop it reliably. you're first making an educated guess on what your opponent does, but then you also have to guess the exact timing and if you fuck up, you eat 350 damage cc corner carry combo anyway. meanwhile chars like alex have to gamble with every single button press. what good are normals with long reach when theyre so incredibly easy to counterhit or whiffpunish, but are also -4 or -6 on block?

my ultra plat opinions:
-nash needs a hurtbox on his backdash. i guess correct on nash backdashes 80% of the time and yet i can't punish him if he does it when he was point blank right before.
-ken needs a hurtbox on s.hk. my feet regularly go deep into his upper body and yet don't do damage
-the risk/reward on mika clap spam is incredibly skewed. nobody can punish that shit. i get counterhit trying to sweep outside of range. my sweep=90dmg, her clap=corner carry + 250 dmg. i have no idea how to fix this other than giving that dumb clap double or triple recovery frames and not allowing it to be option selected
-rashid frames are fine, he can push buttons all day and is only -2 on the dumb tornado spam. he just needs slight damage buff

chars like zangief, birdie, alex have long range attacks that have no reason to exist because their hurtbox stays out forever. alex poke for 60 dmg? whats the point when good chars can try to mash whiffpunish out of range with hpxxspiral arrow into endless meaty/throw setups?

with the exception of chars like that, most chars have no hurtboxes on retracting limbs and are impossible to hit even if you're expecting their buttons. so footsies are all just a mashfest. idk i keep posting this shit in every thread idk why i bother. the game isnt fun

Is this even a question?

Juri, Bison, Zangief, FANG.

Alex is already good, Rashid has potential that's only barely beginning to see play.

trust in combofiend to fix the game

Aye, I'm down for a couple of matches.

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Fang gief bison and juri.

FANG
Rashid
Ryu
Chun-Li :^)

>Ultra plat thinks his opinions matter

Gief, alex, juri, rashid

I'm ultra bronze/silver though is that fine ?

No problem for me.

>Rashid
>Alex
>Gief
>FANG

>-the risk/reward on mika clap spam is incredibly skewed.

The risk/reward for Mika in general is incredibly skewed. I particularly dislike c.HP. Online, that shit is a royal pain in the arse to deal with if she spaces it correctly.

Trying to play Vega vs Mika is a fucking nightmare.

>Game has been "simplified for a wider audience" aka casuals who just want to mash buttons
>Slow as shit movement and walk speed
>Huge floaty jumps with next to no horizontal range
>Tiny ranged normal's
>Tiny hitboxes on everything
>Normal's have a shitty priority system
>Throws are slow as shit with no range
>Links are gone and combos are now mashable
>Huge buffer window
>No close standing attacks
>No neutral jump attacks
>Dizzy making people fall out of combos
>Game is full of comeback mechanics desinged to "lower the effectivness of player skill"
>Only super can chip kill
>V-Trigger a huge universal buff you get as a rewarded for losing
>V-Reverasl a get out of jail free you are rewarded with for losing
>Receve less damage the less health you have
>Worst roster in a street fighter game to date fan favorites replaced with characters no one wanted like birdie and rmika
>Risk/Reward is skewed due to high damage from jump ins yet pitifully low damage on anti airs and how you can no longer get large damage punishes from a jab
>Huge amounts input lag
>Constant fps loss on ps4 and high end PC's
>Random input drops
>Dumbed down mechanics
>Top players already saying the game is casual garbage
>P2W
>Game literally released in an unfinished state
>Online doesn't work correctly
>No punishment for rage quitters
>lobbies that dont even work most of the time with no flags or ping
>8 frames of input lag

The match is super laggy.

>Can no longer leave when a Mika shows up

Haven't played in weeks

Hello, old friend. It's been a while.

I'm sorry, my man. There's just too much rollback.

Thanks for the matches anyway.

Sorry, it must be on my end.
Thanks anyway

Give Balrog back his headbutt as an actual move in the form of a DP input.

Reminder that 8 frames of input delay removes footsies and strategy from the game and basically turns it into a mashing slugfest

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Not really since there arevbottom tier players winning or getting top 8 in both America and Japan

A Rashid beat Go1's Chun-Li (which is arguably a top 3 Chun) for a CapCup victory and Rashid is considered bottom tier just above FANG and Gief.

Fuck man no one knows how to fix Bison.
His game is pressure, not opening people up, giving him an overhead wouldn't help him. What he needs is for his scissor kicks to not be -4 and -3 so he can apply actual pressure. Even his shitty buttons are ok as long as he can actually play the game that he's known for.

anything to make the game not shit

>literally any Mika
>mashes st. LP or cr. LK like crazy
>doesn't matter if you outpoke her
>one counter hit is all she needs
>that's why she keeps doing it
>her face the entire time

There's a simple solution to this; play tekken.

>not playing both

>Karin's a case of a top-tier character inexplicably having a ton of junk specials. They should think about changing her up.
Karin has alwaus been like that. Her high low rekka mixups were punishable as fuck in A3 and everyone stuck to using her jamk ass normals.

I've never been pone to complain about characters in fighting games. Nevertheless, no one can really say with a straight face that Mika players deserve their wins. I can't remember the last time a character this braindead was in a mainstream fighting game.

freak accident.

but the hitboxes on his buttons are too good. and there arent even any chars that can punish scissor kicks because the pushback is so large. if your opponent always presses button after scissor kick, you can just do a delayed cr.mp scissor kick cancel. blocks if their move is long range, "whiffpunishes" if they just try to counterhit whatever you wanna do with a short button (i add "" to whiffpunish cause whiffpunishing isn't real in this game, just guessing)

Buff bottom and low tiers, it's not like the top tiers are Melee Fox or Brawl Meta Knight

But tekken is garbage

>I can't remember the last time a character this braindead was in a mainstream fighting game.
Does Guilty Gear count?
If so Elphelt before the nerf.

>hitboxes are too good
Everyone's hitboxes are good because they are broken. Doesn't even matter since his buttons are slow as fuck.
>Aren't even any characters that can punish scissor kicks
chun li, Ryu, Ken, Karin, juri, Necalli, etc.
Sure you can't punish it at max range light scissor kick but you are rarely at max range in this game with all the unga bunga morons
>if your opponet always presses buttons after scissor kick,
I'm minus fucking 4 with slow ass old man buttons, and every normal leads into a blockstring that I can"t break out of because I'm Bison, and if it's a long range button then they can just jump at me where my shitty ass anti air can't hit them

>Doesn't even matter since his buttons are slow as fuck.

They're no slower than anyone else's. Really, Bison's buttons are good, he has other problems.

Mika makes this game unfun. In SFIV you could instant block a lot of the pseudo-unblockable and vortex bullshit, so I never had a problem with it. SFV Mika makes me feel like I'm frozen in godly blockstun until she does her bullshit 50/50 and I have to guess because impossible to really evaluate what they are 100% going to do and react thanks to 8 frames.

st mp is 7 frames and is his only good distance button

Vega's is 8 frames and is still considered a good button.

Not him, but if Scissor Kick is not a viable option for pressure anymore, why do you insist on using it? Bison may not be top tier, but he has enough tools to be useful. Dash up shenanigans, anti-airing with his stomp, fishing for CCs, etc. Guess what: Tampa Bison used to be #1 on the leaderboards and continues to be high up.

Of all the people complaining, Bison players are possibly the loudest because they have to use their brains now.

Mika is barely tolerable as long as you're playing someone with a reversal. Trying to play against her as someone like Vega, who not only has no reversal but has a terrible V-reversal, is just awful.

You're kidding yourself if you believe 8 frames are responsible for you losing against Mika. The character is fundamentally broken. Chances are if they actually lower the input delay to 6 frames or whatever, they will adjust frame data accordingly. Bottom line: She will still kick your ass.

ArcSys always has retarded characters like CT v-13 or CP Kokonoe.

SF hasn't had a beyond retarded character since 1996.

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i play with v-sync off which supposedly is 5 frames. it's still impossible to react to most things. even with 2 frames it'd be hard. at least cr.hp would be hittable because it moves her forward but her clap or moves like chun s.hp would still be unpunishable because of the sheer range and hurtbox retracting

Yeah it will always be a guessimg gane once she gets in and she will because it's so easy to get in.

>Of all the people complaining, Bison players are possibly the loudest because they have to use their brains now.

t. LTG

That's...almost exactly the same as my tier list.

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>i play with v-sync off which supposedly is 5 frames. it's still impossible to react to most things.
Exactly. Input delay is the least issue when playing against Mika.

By the way, I'd advise against playing with V-Sync off. It creates lag issues.

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you are man of good taste user

Accurate

We go back to non kusoge like 3S

my ultraplat list

first time i've heard of that. why would that matter? my gpu just chooses not to wait to display the frames it has stored. its not alttab

so you want to go back to the game responsible for killing the FGC for a decade ?

>Low tier
My main
>Top Tier
your mains

>played something like 30000 matches of SF4
>have barely played 1000 matches of SFV

It's weird, because I actually like a lot of what SFV does better than SF4, but that fucking input delay just kills it. What in the absolute fuck were they thinking?

>why would that matter if me or the opponent teleports around the screen?
Pardon me?

This shit's documented. Look it up.

There is very little wrong with 3S mechanically
It was just rosterfags getting uppity

Fix some shit on top tier, but nothing big
up low tier

GENEI JIN and Chun crouch forward/b.hp disagree.

I doubt you're good enough for 2 frames of input delay to actually have any meaningful impact on you. You're just looking for an excuse to bitch out.

>7 years versus 6 months
Woooooww.

There's a surprising amount of agreement about SF5's tier list. The sole exceptions seem to be the placement of Nash, who scrubs seem to think is top 3 for some reason, and characters like Alex and Vega - who fall somewhat nebulously around mid-tier somewhere.

That's possibly true for most people.

Where is the chart that showed SFV's average input delay isn't even that great compared to other fighting games? Some user posted it yesterday.

alt tab is documented. v-synch causing lag issues i've never heard of. it doesnt make sense either. the gpu just stores frames to synch up with monitor, why would that affect my opponent?