Does this series hold up well?
All the games are 75% off on Steam right now and I need a new SP game to play, I generally haven't found an older stealth game I've really enjoyed though (I'm pretty pleb in this regard because I found the older games of this genre a bit too tedious / difficult).
I watched some interviews with Ironside and it feels like he has a real passion for the Sam character which has gave me some interest in trying it out.
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MGS will always be the superior stealth series. :)
I ran into loads of compatibility issues with that on Windows 10.
Yes its still pretty good
>mgs
>stealth
>triggered
haha
The first one is pretty archaic now but it's like 2 fuckin quid so you may as well.
Chaos Theory is still fantastic, was just playing some the other day. It's fucking brilliant.
Hell yeah.
No Michael Ironside no Splinter Cell
Splinter cell 1 is GOAT
Pandora tomorrow is also very good
Chaos theory is GOAT
Everything else is a massive step down. Some people thing double agent is comparable to the original 3 but it's down to opinion really, when the first 3 are unanimously considered the best 3.
blacklist is pretty mint
really, none of them are bad games
It is really good, and focuses on stealth infiltration.
Splinter Cell and Pandora Tomorrow is pretty hard with plenty of restrictions (you can't kill anyone or mission is failed, you can't have alarms, checks of unconscious bodies in the background even if you kileld everybody etc). Has some fault is gameplay design too. Like, you can open doors just a tiny bit to peek in but most doors opening to the wrong side of a corridor where there is nothing to see.
Chaos Theory is probably still the best stealth game overall. Various routes, can switch between lethal-nonlethal, loud-silent on the fly. The only Splinter Cell where you can do a true zero playthrough (complete everything on the level without leaving any trace of tampering and not using anything but your renewable resources - night vision and emp pistol)
Double Agent I didn't like that much, especially because it made the game more like a sneaky action movie but it is still pretty solid.
Conviction is a joke of a game with Splinter Cell staped on it. It is a Jason Bourne like action game, with the least amount of stealth and one button auto kills.
With Blacklist I have mixed feelings They have gone back to the Chaos Theory route but has almost everything bad from Convinction. It is action oriented with forced fighting sections but you can play stealthy in between. True Zero however is not possible sadly.
So, if you are a stealth fan and have experience then go for SC and PT.
If you didn't like sneaky games that much I suggest Chaos Theory and to some extent Double Agent.
Convinction is trash and only paly it of you want to experience all games.
If you don't like CT then there is no hope for you but at least play Blacklist.
THIS more or less
Also: there IS now a Pandora Tomorrow fix out there which is great news for PC players
I never understood how people consistently prefer 1 over Pandora Tomorrow. To me at least the level design in Pandora is much more interesting.
The annoying thing is I want to play Conviction to complete the experience but shit just won't run on modern cards.
Ranking:
>Chaos Theory
>Pandora Tomorrow
>Blacklist
>Splinter Cell
>Double Agent
>AIDS
>Conviction
You can swap SP1 and Blacklist depending on how much you hate modern gaming conventions.
>God Tier
Chaos Theory, Blacklist
>Classlic Tier
1 (suffered the most, age-wise)
>Meh Tier
Double Agent
>Spinoff Tier
Conviction
There genuinely isn't such thing as a bad splinter cell game.
Conviction gets spinoff tier because it so dramatically shifts the focus of the game's mechanics. It plays the smoothest/most fluidly of the series, but if you go lethal you can't even move the bodies which was a mechanic that the rest of the series relied hev. Also it has an incredibly weak segment set in Iraq that was absolutely painful to play through
Pandora tomorrow was a really solid game. The train mission and the Jerusalem mission were excellent imo. I still feel that SC1 is the superior game though. I was playing it the other day and I was enjoying the fuck out of it. Maybe it's just my nostalgia goggles but I love SC 1 more than the other 2.
steam halloween sale starts in about 8 hours (not confirmed but it will) so just wait for that if you're semi poor like me
this will probably still be on sale anyways
i was thinking of getting convictions but remembered QTEs
I can agree with this.
What about the other version of DA?
How do the old Splinter Cell game compared to the old Hitman games in terms of how like precise you have to be with stealth and any sort of bugginess.
splinter cell is always on sale how do you not have all of them by now
>steam halloween sale starts in about 8 hours (not confirmed but it will)
the steam sale dates are confirmed by the same russian dudes every damn year from dev messages valve sends out. its confirmed to start 10am today.
If you wanted a Splinter Cell thread you don't have to make up shit user
>double agent better than anything
>not worse than pushing a tooth pick under your finger nail
Even Conviction was better than that turd. Blacklist had the best gameplay in the series but the story and Sam, especially his voice and behavior considering his age, was terrible. The phone conversations sounded like a regular dude talking to his wife/gf, not like a father talking to his mid-20s daughter.
What are you talking about
OP here, I literally have never played an SC game before and made the thread because of the sale.
I'm joiing the group of people who haven't the first fucking clue what you're on about. Is this a (you) collection thing?
To eveyone in this thread, what version of Double Agent did you mean?
I've only played the PC one, and while it was a stepback from earlier game, there is some unique and enjoyable stuff here.
The best missions are inside HQ, where the title really earns it name. I also remeber a very good arab city level that feels like something actiony from Blacklist but played with the mechanics from older game
ps2/original xbox Double Agent is a completely different game made by another devteam. it shares some locations and plot obviously but missions are completely different and more akin to older games. Good shit. PS2 framerate is, well, ps2 tier but it's pretty playable.
I imagine xbox one is better looking and running but whatever.
If you're into stealth gameplay yes, to me they are better than MG in that regard.
The oldest Hitman I played was Blood Money which is very lenient compared to the older games in my memory.
In SC and PT if someone sees you it is an instant alert level wide. Shooting is really risky, anything but a headshot is an instant alert. You can grab people from behind but you need to be very precise for the prompt to be appear. People see you easily and if you walk too fast hear you even from behind. In most levels if you even manage to survive a few alerts, 3 and you automatically fail. Even if the guy dies / get knocked out instantly he sees / hear you, it send out an autamtic alert status and everybody knows where you are, even on the other side of the level. Obviously you die in a few shots, you have a rifle but it is near impossible to survive open gunfights in the later levels.
One of the reasons Chaos Theory is so good (and so easy) because it introduces a whole range of statuses for the guards, making you be able to play with them since they don't shout alert about tiny things. They investigate (relaistically) slowly and carefully, and they maybe won't even pull their gun out. Chaos Theory includes free range movement between the main character and the guards. In SC and PT your only real interaction with a guards body was a prompt from a perfect sneak up from the back where you can grabbed him. You had a fast punch button but it didn't take condiseration the position of the enemy. You could make a punch standing still... either it hit something or not. Now in CT you can grab, punch or stab guards from basically any direction. Only thing it misses (and later games included) is what I call the "easy mode stealth" where if you hide behind a corner you can take out anyone walking towards you without any setup.
Either severely underage or lying
Yes. All games are good really. I have still fond memories of being young and playing splinter cell 1 and Pandora tomorrow on Ps2 as well as chaos theory later. Perhaps I really should replay the games on pc. Blacklist was pretty good too, especially that last snow mission. Still do wish Sam's voice didn't change. Apparently ironside is returning to the next splinter cell. But it's just a rumor
What I always hated about CT, since the launch day literally, was the retarded console-eqsue movement, on PC I meant. ASDW simulate analog stick which makes some very obvious problems compared to far more slick controlling SC1 and SC2.
Yeah that train mission was fucking great. I also enjoyed the oil rig in SC1. As well as kalinatek and the oil rig.
Friendly reminder to get widescreen hud fixes for all older games here, it makes the game look ten times better.
Epic!!
>mfw crawling under the moving train while gripping that shaft thingy
>at the end of the mission going full sprint in opposite direction on the top of the train and running for that osprey ladders
Thanks. Perhaps it really is time to replay
Yeah that shit was good. Pandora tomorrow is a rather comfy game desu
Also get the GOG version of SC1. It comes with bonus levels that were originally ps2 only and not on PC. Good shit.
Splinter Cell - amazing
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow - even better than the original, makes many improvements
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory - Best in the series
Splinter Cell: Double Agent - Not nearly as good as its predecessors but it's still a great stealth game, though it marked the beginning of the downfall of the series
Splinter Cell: Conviction - Worst game in the series, literally genocide the game. No option for non-lethal playthroughs, convoluted story, overall dumbing down of game mechanics.
Splinter Cell: Blacklist - Better than Conviction but still not all that great. Streamlined to hell, no Michael Ironside, kept a lot of the bad bits of Conviction while adding a teaspoon of what made the originals good.
Severely underage then.
>Better than Conviction but still not all that great.
You truly are stupid
Blacklist > newgen Double Agent
Blacklist has retardedly smooth gameplay. It does everything that MGSV did better, plus it looks better.
I'm sure it was fine tuned for consoles. I played the game on xbox and my mind was blown how awesome was the movement with analog sticks. You could walk, run and anything in between at any time. You could stop anything any time and even walk backwards if the grab seemed too risky.
>tfw when you don't need night vision anymore to do a perfect run
The nuclear power plant? I do have splinter cell on uplay and I'm not that eager to rebuy it on Gog. Could pirate I suppose when I do actually own the games.
Conviction was shit. Sorry for your bad taste user.
I personally think it does, I've finished Chaos Theory three times in the last 2-3 years with mouse and keyboard without any problems.
I couldn't find Pandora Tomorrow on PC so i haven't played it on PC, the first one worked just fine for me and double agent is very similar to CT when it comes to gameplay and graphics.
Holy fuck you're an idiot I wasn't even talking about Conviction
Blow your brains out if you can find them
You could do that on pc since game 1 as well, and also on ps2. Difference being that you used mousewheel to switch walking/running speed on the go.
I meant more like simple things like turning around your axis. Old games have that fixed animation that is smooth, not too fast not too slow. Suddenly in CT you are rotating around in this very unnatural way, I remember it feeling very very clunky and it took me the longest time to wrap my head around it.
Ubisoft was giving that one out for free 3 months ago, I've yet to play it, but I heard good things about it.
The original is hard but more satisfying to beat. PT was just frustrating with it's endless -no alarm allowed- missions.