Serious question: How long will Bethesda actually be able to get away with it?
Their in-house games like Skyrim and Fallout 4 sell like in the tens of millions. Games that are janky, buggy, and shallow as fuck. Like how long will they be able to pull this "It's Open World, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING!" excuse? We have stuff like GTAV, MGSV and Witcher 3 now, games that all put Bethesda games to shame in therms of polish and technicality.
When will this bullshit end?
Probably never. Enough people know it as "the rpg" for it to never die.
The people who buy these games don't know any better and they don't care enough about video games to inform themselves.
Why do people get mad at other people's success? I never understand this mentality. If I hate some game I would just not play it. I will not get buttblasted at their success.
And Skyrim and Fallout 4 had much better open-world than MgsV and GTA5. Witcher 3 debatable.
Preach.
>I will not get mad that they're industry giant despite unashamedly putting out sub-par products and in doing so influence the trends of the industry and the future of videogames
Ok
But can you turn a handful of wrenches and tin cans into a hut in Witcher 3?
Mostly every big company delivers shitty products. If someone starts to compete and is a danger, they buy them out so they don'0t have to improve their quality and can maintain their monopolies. Welcome to the future.
Skyrim is a weird one, it manages to immerse you the first time you play, Riverwood, whiterun, bleaks fall barrow, scripted Alduin attack, ut also helps that if you play it for the first time on a friend house or something you will be surprised. No matter how buggy it might be, you won't see that in less than 30 hours, and by then most people is done with it, the purpose of the game is fulfilled, and everyone stays happy
I heard someone the other day that they are hoping for Skyrim 2 and asked why the first fallout was called Fallout 3.
As long as this mentality exists, there is no escaping.
It's pretty bad working as an EB employee and some of the questions people ask about games. I usually put on a straight face and then rant here.
As a guy who has overheard a couple conversations between commander douchebag and a gamestop employee, I feel for you/
Why is Sup Forums such a hipster
Skyrim creates the illusion of being a great game.
The beginning is great, the first few dungeons and quests makes it seem like you have a grand adventure before you. But it never comes, it's just shallow dungeon crawling, shallow quests, shallow combat.
Fuck Skyrim.
Sup Forums likes some mainstream stuff though.
>Todd shills think 30 hours for $60 is a fair price
I don't think the general audience that buys these games puts them under any kind of scrutiny. They see them ad-bombed on TV, malls, the subway, etc. And just buy them, play them for a few hours and fuck off. They never abuse them to the point of breaking, if they find a bug or something game-stopping they go back to playing NHL or watching whatever on TV. So if the games are broken and shallow, they don't really notice or care.
Sorry, nerd, but you're literally the only demographic who cares about this shit, and you pirate everything anyway.
What he said is 'objectively' true. OP didn't say that their games cannot be fun. Bethesda games are janky, buggy and shallow. Even fans know that, and that's why they are obsessed with modding.
In that aspect, it is very similar to Fallout 4. The beginning two or three hours is polished as all fuck. Bethesda had legitimately convinced people that Bethesda stares and enemies that don't react when you shoot them were gone with Piper's introduction and the heavily scripted Dogmeat/Mole Rat fight. After that, same shit.
BECUZ SKYRIM WAS NOT AS GOOD AS I WANTED IT TO BE!
People here love to call Todd, Hitler when people like Pitchford and Murry exist.
You can see the flaws in a game and still play it, you know.
I don't think it is wrong to wish for things to be better instead of being worse.
>Sorry, nerd, but you're literally the only demographic who cares about this shit, and you pirate everything anyway.
Did you miss the part where quite a lot of people (Even Skyrim fans) felt quite fucking burned by Fallout 4?
At least Skyrim could kind of pull the excuse of "Well it's a PS360 game!", but this kind of shit just doesn't fly in a 2015 AAA game.
In Skyrim they at least put a lot of effort into the entire worldspace. In Fallout 4 the farther you get from Sanctuary it gets exponentially lazier. To the point where a quarter of the already small map is a literal empty wasteland.
probably soon
i noticed alot of people didnt like fallout 4
Another fifth is featureless, crabby swamp.
>but this kind of shit just doesn't fly in a 2015 AAA game.
But it clearly does, Fallout 4 made like gangbusters. If the plot is stupid, full of holes and makes no sense; if the gameplay is broken, careless and miserable. Whatever, it's the trendy thing to play and normies will buy it in droves anyway. Todd already has your money, what happens later matters not one bit.
He'll do it again with a broken engine and a monstrous advertisement budget.
Eh, I did it in high school when it was electronic ETC and they were hiring mostly guys. Since back then, You actually had to know about games because it was store policy "to provide our customers with the best gaming experience."
Then I went in there as a customer and it was like "would you like a gamestop card?" No.
"Are you sure?" Completely
>Please just get one (girl working at the counter)
Alright, I'll get a card.
It's extortion.
>Todd already has your money
Joke's on you, I learned from Skyrim and didn't buy Fallout 4.
Then you paid for Fallout 4's advertisement you schmuck. You perpetuated the cycle. Isn't it horrible?
>You perpetuated the cycle.
Yes, but the important part is that I stopped.
This will all end if we stop buying these shitty games.
I think it's their uniqueness. The open world RPG market is incredibly oversaturated yet no one does games quite like bethesda. A good example is the witcher 3, which is a game that stomps the fuck out of skyrim in almost every aspect, but it just doesn't feel the same. You can't pickpocket every person, you can't enter everyone's house, you can't steal someone's vase and put it in your house, you can't say to yourself "i'm gonna be a dedicated alchemist", put on a robe and go for a walk for alchemical ingredients, you also don't see flashy numbers happily jumping all over your screen once you've hit someone with a sword 10 times.
Their games are incredibly easy to play and overall accessible, add that to their unique nature and it'll be the reason why they keep selling call of duty tier numbers.
I hate pushing the EB card but it is company policy to do so.
But I get where you are coming from.
So any ex/current game store employees got any good stories?
No, because tons of new people bought the new game, and kids grow up and want the hottest bullshit game shown on TV all the time.
I think many learned their lesson after the no mans sky crap and will be careful with all games.
It'll end when it doesn't sell.
No it won't end.
It is too late nigger.
Just see how big are the sales for skyrim and FO4.
You think you can somehow make all those millions of idiots disappear?
So what, a few guys stop uying the games? big deal. Somewhere else a new fool is born every minute.
Jokes on you, Todd is figuring out the kinds of people that wont buy bethesda games, and is already designing his next marketing plan around subtly suggesting that the type of people who won't buy TES6 are the sorts of degenerates that browse 4chin. You don't want to be one of "those types", now do you?
You're playing right into his hands. Not playing isn't even a winning move anymore.
>Tfw my normie friends fucking love Skyrim and FO4
>One of them said that FO2 looks retarded and Morrowind is tedious because of Majors/ Minors
Are people honestly trying to tell me that Skyrim and Fallout 4 are unfun and bad games while praising visual novels and other weeb garbage?
We withheld a bunch of Halo 2 copies back then.
I mean, we followed the rules. We were already playing TBC on epic AQ characters for TBC WoW.
Then again I just said "fuck you" to the raid and was still playing AV.
Because you can't go exploring around the countryside breaking into anyones home in the witcher
Normies will unironically buy nearly everything, so it doesn't matter
>you can't say to yourself "i'm gonna be a dedicated alchemist", put on a robe and go for a walk for alchemical ingredients
you can't really do that either
unless you mean a stealth archer alchemist
i prefer stealth archer mage myself
You are on Sup Forums here. Shills will tell you everything they get paid for.
>the sorts of degenerates that browse 4chin
It should be legal to euthanize those creeps, seriously.
Can you read?
VN's are actually very good. I just wish that the west would do more because we are SEVERELY better at writing. We;re just not as good at animation.
HORSE VAGINA MODS
please, I don't know how longer I can last without killing self
>Tfw the weeb waifu sim Sword Art Online game had weapons that controlled differently, weapon proficiency that unlocked new skills, buffs, equipment builds, a shit ton of ailments and even an aggro system and specialised AI system for partners that adapted to your playstyle overtime
Thats condescending as shit you fucking sperg. Maybe people just like the fuckin game? Im not a fan of Fallout 4 cause I just dont like Fallout but I still replay through Skyrim constantly.
>obsidian will never be given the fallout IP again
a true tragedy my dudes
The reason you hate these games so much is because they are inherently inspiring for what games can do.
You then compare it to your imagined potential.
That potential would not seem realistic AT ALL were it not for games like Skyrim (in 2011) delivering something truly impressive.
Get the fuck off your high horse and make a better game for me to play, you whingy entitled faggot.
(inb4 you disagree with this to save your self-esteem)
People are like goldfish. You dangle something shiny and new into their bowl and they'll flock to it immediately, doesn't matter what it is, it must be theirs. The whole school does it, so they have to do it too, its instinct to go for the new shiny object. They don't have the brains to question it, they just all do it, over and over and over, forever.
There's a mod with a horse vagina?
I mean just look at the crap images they make. They don't even bother opening their pirated copies of photoshop, they just squirt their mspaint diarrhea unto the board.
Fucking scum of the earth tbqh family.
Morrowind was more inspiring and accomplished far more with what you could possibly do than Skyrim ever could and Morrowind is far older.
Should i get Fallout 4? I only have Skyrim, Fallout New Vegas. But i was thinking of getting it.
>Get the fuck off your high horse and make a better game for me to play, you whingy entitled faggot.
I don't have to, it's called Morrowind.
Everything people like about Skyrim Morrowind already did better.
>B-but combat
Nobody plays TES for that shit, go pick up Dark Souls or Dragon's Dogma if you care about real time combat in your RPG's.
Why wouldn't there be?
Yeah go ahead.
There's really no reason not to.
Sure thing, Todd.
>If you think your meal is shit, you cook it!
Despite that, it's because Bethesda's problems lie in fundamental things with RPGs. Beth Fallouts have the problem with the role playing aspect, while Skyrim and maybe Oblivion had problems with internal consistancy with the rest of the series... wait, Fallout has this problem as well...
On top of that, they seem to scrap systems rather than build on them. Skyrim's armour and weapon system has stripped elements from Oblivion and that has stripped systems from Morrowind.
>Peoples opinions are different than mine
Are we all not just a fucking parody of the shit we claim to be against at this point?
>learned their lesson
Sorry, that never happens
beth games are groundbreaking even if they are barebones at launch
Skyrim was fucking momentous, historic moment in the history of gaming
Witcher 3? Pffff its been a year and most people forgot it already. Even Sup Forums starts admitting it was fucking crap
I played the real FF7 back in '97
You're nostalgic for the Morrowind lore and atmosphere, I get that. But hanging onto those combat mechanics and non-VA (let alone setting all subsequent games in the same realm) was NEVER an option. You'd be whining about that too.
Can't you see the logical progression? They are not making "bad" decisions, there is no objective right way to do things. They are trying to push boundaries in creating immersive fantasy worlds. As if you could do better...
>Isnt even really defending games
>Just telling some autist hes acting retarded
>"HURR HBDURR TOODDD GET THE MEME GUIS?!"
Isnt it about time for school user? Your short bus will be coming soon.
Quitting this thread. The shilling is over the fucking charts.
All of their flaws are just seen as that good old Bethesda charm that we all know and love, so never.
Will it get better once they abandon their shitty engine?
>We have stuff like GTAV, MGSV and Witcher 3
Only Witcher 3 is an RPG and even that has a fixed main character. Until CDPR make an open world RPG with a character creator Bethesda will not have serious competition for what their games provide.
I enjoy good combat in my RPGS, don't put words in my mouth just because you like cocks in yours.
>Get the fuck off your high horse and make a better game for me to play
Truly, the greatest argument ever conceived
>But hanging onto those combat mechanics and non-VA (let alone setting all subsequent games in the same realm) was NEVER an option.
It's bad enough that you bitch about an RPG having dice roll combat, but actually complaining about no VA in an RPG?
Go die in a fucking fire. Voice Acting is like the main reason for why modern RPG's are total dogshit.
Yeah, people sure do remember Skyrim because of it's amazing content and story, and not for the fact that the fans and modders are just that autistic where they keep pumping content in this tripe to turn it into a waifu simulator.
>Witcher 3? Pffff its been a year and most people forgot it already.
Ermm, TW3 GOTY is a PS4 system seller in 2016.
Again, using that argument has no weight.
Yes, I can't make Skyrim, but I can recognise that it may look pretty and have better combat, it has less player interaction and impressiveness than older Elder Scroll games and CRPGs of the 90's.
>replying to bait this obvious
newfags out
Isn't that what their Cyberpunk game is supposed to be though? It will probably be released around the same time as the next Elder Scrolls game.
You don't get to define what RPGS should be.
>I enjoy good combat in my RPGS
Then you certainly won't find much enjoyment in Skyrim.
It's the best Fallout, haters gonna hate.
What the logical progression of dumbing mechanics down or outright removing them? Morrowind was far from perfect, it was a janky mess too, but it immersed you and did a lot more on the role-player aspect than Skyrim could ever hope to do. Morrowind was an expansive world with varied dungeons and quests that all felt like a cohesive world, Skyrim feels like a disconnected mess where nearly every dungeon is the exact same in some way and there is no reason to be doing half the stuff you are doing. The only real innovative stuff that has progressed has been the combat, daedra quests, and dark brotherhood stuff. Everything else regarding the game, feels like a massive step backwards in terms of design that its utterly ridiculous and flat out insulting.
Hell even MGSV despite its massive flaws, unfinished problems, and massively empty overworld feels more like an immersive and complete experience than Skyrim does.
If you like Bethesda games, you're wrong.
>As if you could do better...
Are you 14? You sound like a defensive teenager
OK. So go play them then?
Why not pick any other game you don't like and bitch about that? Oh, because of my original point: Skyrim is impressive as fuck and you want it to get even better.
>Why not pick any other game you don't like and bitch about that? Oh, because of my original point: Skyrim is impressive as fuck and you want it to get even better.
What the fuck are you even saying?
Skyrim is fucking Morrowind-lite, the "better Skyrim" you're talking about already came out a decade earlier.
You don't get to say what immerses other people.
I LOVED Morrowind, must have sunk years of my life into it as a kid. But I tried going back and it is not immersive or enjoyable for me anymore BECAUSE (v hates this...) GAMES HAVE GOTTEN BETTER IN MANY WAYS.
I cannot know what is possible now in terms of what looks more and more like a living breathing world, and then go back to that old stuff. I honestly don't get how people can still get immersed in that AFTER being exposed to modern games.
And maybe you can, that's fine! But you don't speak on behalf of all gamers, and those who like modern advancements are not immediately shallow because of it. I think you liked your life better all those years ago, basically.
It's because I liked the Elder Scrolls series since Arena and am disappointed by Skyrim? As I said, it looks... "pretty" for an open world game as large as it is, but there is a lot of things that disappoint long time fans.
One example: The Dragons. Dragons were THE selling point in the trailers for the damn thing. The hype to fight one was very good and the first fight delivered, but the second one and every one after that... you realize that these fights weren't very well designed. Dragons would hover above you for most of the fight and barely interact with you except for an occasional charge or what not. It shows that Bethesda comes up with cool ideas but never executes them well.
Same with the civil war that is apparently happening through the game but you only get to witness skirmishes instead of an actual war with sieges or campaigns.
>v
>not Sup Forums
I'm onto you.
If you aren't a shill, please tell me how Skyrim is a better game without referring to graphics since that is a given.
>Todd would ever say he didn't like Fallout
How is that a shitty argument against your attitude? Regardless of our opinions of these games, you come across like an entitled piece of shit. That was my point.
If you go into the kitchen and start insulting the chef, or whining about the restaurant online because of one meal you didn't like as much as the brilliant meals you enjoyed in the past, you are a fucking cunt.
This is an action RPG though.
Fallout 4 was so bad. I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt that way.
Skyrim was dope, but I'm a normie with sub 30 hours on it.
>in the swamp
>not at the edge of the map
>can't go this way
ok
Another 6th or so is ocean, so yeah this is prob the weakest map they've put out
test
>You don't get to say what immerses other people.
You're right I don't. But there are objective qualities. While you may be more personally immersed within Skyrim, that doesn't mean that said systems are any better than what they were over a decade ago in Morrowind.
The issue is that if Morrowind was upgraded today with proper graphics and a new combat system, it would be massively preferred to Skyrim. Hell I'm surprised they haven't done that and tried to sell it as a new game with all these wonderful new features. Which I know the reason they don't, because they'd then have to one up Morrowind for the average gamer, which isn't going to happen as that actually takes work and they are selling units without said work already.
>I LOVED Morrowind, must have sunk years of my life into it as a kid. But I tried going back and it is not immersive or enjoyable for me anymore BECAUSE (v hates this...) GAMES HAVE GOTTEN BETTER IN MANY WAYS.
Yes, a lot of games have gotten better. Elder Scrolls is not one of them.
>I cannot know what is possible now in terms of what looks more and more like a living breathing world, and then go back to that old stuff. I honestly don't get how people can still get immersed in that AFTER being exposed to modern games.
It seems as though your argument is that immersiveness is equatable to graphics, which couldn't be further from the truth at all. The way the world is handled is what makes a game immersive, not just simply how it looks. As I said, you give Morrowind Skyrim graphics or better and its more of a realistic and immersive world than Skyrim by a good amount. Not only would it have these graphics you are craving, but also the actual backbone that makes a world a world.
>And maybe you can, that's fine! But you don't speak on behalf of all gamers, and those who like modern advancements are not immediately shallow because of it. I think you liked your life better all those years ago, basically.
Nice projection, also wrong.
I really do believe that 4 will be the turning point where Bethesda either needs to improve or start to fail. This can be summed up in what has happened to their modding community
Nearly every single new feature in 4 was stolen from mods, but if you look over at the Nexus there is barely any new mods now which are more than graphics stuff and quality of life improvements. They're going to be in trouble next game because they're going to have to think up shit for themselves, rather than just browse the Nexus all day and figure out which mods to steal.
I think it's safe to say that while 4 has some defenders, they would come down on the more casual side of video game fans. Modders are hardcore, and among the hardcore audience 4 was hated. Why would modders waste time making mods for a game that was heavily disliked? That's not counting stuff like the paid mods fiasco that further damaged people's willingness to mod, and drove high profile mods away. While in the first week or two 4 was swept up in hype, but I think now the general consensus now is that 4 was a bad game. You have to be the normiest of the normy to argue otherwise. That too will hurt sales on their next game, because people will be way more cautious.
In conclusion, the modding community around Bethesda games is dying, and their days of using it as a crutch is coming to an end. At the same time they won't be able to coast with their next release either (or at least their next Fallout release), because the poor quality of 4 will have made the general public more suspicious and weary.
Just give me fucking attributes and actual roleplaying possibilities senpai. 80% of the quests are so fucking boring. At least the landscape is a step up from Oblivion tho not on par with Morrowang.
It sells so they get away with it. Next question