Name a more broken move

name a more broken move

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>name a more broken move

Ummm try Kirby's fucking neutral B.
Why can a character choose to suck me up at the edge and just suicide whenever he wants?!

nado

Witch Time

How are you so slow as to be sucked in by a stationary move?

Shoryukens in SFV

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>punch bubble
>50% charge
Thanks god it's getting nerfed

>can be punished for 30%-40% of your life if blocked
Nah

Corrin counter

It's so absurd

Mach Tornado

After the nerf it's not NEARLY as bad tho

kek'd

>How are you so slow as to be sucked in by a stationary move?

Ask your mom's mouth how it works! I don't move my dick and it STILL ends up in her mouth somehow.

I completely forgot this thing existed
to be fair, everyone else did too though

>After the nerf it's not NEARLY as bad tho

As a Corrin main, it's still pretty sick even after the nerf. :3c

The hitbox and the low end lag are pretty great.

>that pic

reminds me of walking around in Amnesia: the dark descent and the paintings having their faces get all distorted when you have low sanity

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>Invincibility frames
>Can cancel with a jump
>Stalls you in the air
>awkward spike angle
>comes out frame 1
>Also it reflects projectiles

I literally can't.
Falco's dair is an honorable mention though.

Don't forget that is also a good combo tool.
>2 waveshines into upsmash

>Implying
In a four player match with my friends, I decided to play as Corrin (I never bought him, and never played as him before) just to see how broken his counter is.
90% of the attacks I did were counter and I won the match. That counter is extremely broken even after the patch.

What do I win?
Oh right. EVO

Air fireball

>90% of the attacks I did were counter and I won the match. That counter is extremely broken even after the patch.

You guys just suck at the game, that doesn't make counter broken.
Counter is a high risk move that's easily punished.

I still don't understand how Jigglypuff has a disjointed hitbox. Where is the logic in that? Does Jiggs have invisible swords on her feet!?

Its called baited people into attacking so that you can counter them, plus it was 4 players so just jumping into a fight between 2 people and pressing down B is an almost guaranteed success.

>can easily be punished
I like how Smashbabies pretend to be proFGCers, when they know fuck all about balance.

There's a REASON Baiken and Hakumen are some of the hardest characters to use in their respective games, and their counters are locked away behind difficult inputs, AND have very narrow and precise active windows.

Counters are inherently very powerful, regardless of how weak their output might be. In Smash 4, they are absolutely insane. Just cause
>hurt, you don't see them at high level play, doesn't mean they aren't a poor design choice in how they were implemented. Counters in Smash 4have to easily go down as one of the most annoying mechanics in a fighting game ever, right after tripping in Brawl. Worst part is, retards actually defend counters and pretend they aren't broken as fuck.

>Its called baited people into attacking so that you can counter them

Explain that to me. In what way are you able to bait a person into approaching with something other than grab, empty hop or shield?
Oh right, you can't.
You probably just sat by the ledge and spammed your projectile and then mashed counter when your scrubby friends dash attacked you like retards.
Wew! High level play right there.

The fact you guys play 4 player FFAs kinda demonstrates that you're scrubs.

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>Hakumen's counters are locked behind difficult inputs

They're one button. One button and a direction. Baiken's aren't hard either, just a rolling motion while you're in blockstun.

Counter can eat a dick. Any even halfway competent person can just get out of any amount of danger for free.

>Baiken counters
>difficult to input
maybe for you, scrub

Don't you dare question the will of Sakurai! Next you'll be asking why a character can't be on the roster if they're capable of flying in their own games. How would that work, baka?! Glorious Sakurai knows how to blow everyone the fuck out just right.

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>There's a REASON Baiken and Hakumen are some of the hardest characters to use in their respective games

Can you easily dash grab in those games? Can you simply charge a powerful move when you bait the counter out?

>Counters are inherently very powerful

Yeah dude, that's why out of the top 15 Smash 4 characters, only 1 has a fucking counter.
That one counter is Bayonetta's Witch time which is a lot safer than any other counter in the game.

>Counters in Smash 4have to easily go down as one of the most annoying mechanics in a fighting game ever

This is how I know you're a fucking scrub. Getting a counter baited out of you at 60-70% generally costs you your stock. How is that good or an annoying mechanic?
Good players rarely use their counter because the risk is so high and it requires a hard read. Why counter when you can shield or spot dodge and punish without eating a charged F smash if you fuck up?

It's not a good option.

BAAAALLLLLOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>Any even halfway competent person can just get out of any amount of danger for free.

The scrubs are out in full effect today it seems.
I never realized Sup Forums had so many shitty players.

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>I never realized Sup Forums had so many shitty players.
Have you never browsed a Smash thread before?

his f-tilt made me rage so much

Its simple really, you lay off on countering for a little bit once you get grabbed, then the second you see your opponent starting to use things other than grab again, you counter them, and if your opponent tries to combo you after a grab you can just counter that too, as long as its not a true combo.
>The fact you guys play 4 player FFAs kinda demonstrates that you're scrubs.
Wow, its like there are four people who want to play at the same time.

tidal wave
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>comes out on frame 1 (one)
>invincible on frame 1
>jump cancelable on frame 4
>gives ridiculous hit stun
Yeah seems balanced

ZEA

kek i forgot about this shit, every Fable game just ends up turning you into God at the end

>What is SDI?
Just because you're too stupid to know how to deal with it doesn't mean it's broken.

most people in this board don't even know what this is.

>Tidal Wave

No one cares about slow and floaty the game.

Jigglypuff has a disjointed hitbox because a hitbox was put there away from her hurtbox.

Glad to answer your question, user, if you have any more fighting game related questions, I'll be glad to answer them!

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look i'm a meleefag and shine is pretty much broken my man

Nice falseflagging tr4shfag.

"BUT SER, HOW DO WE MAKE A ONE BUTTON HACK N SLASH MORE CASUAL?"

"I'VE GOT IT"

>mfw seeing how precise you need to be to counter and parry in games like persona 4 ultimate arena and street fighter 3rd alpha and then going on to play smash 4
It's a fucking joke, just like the roster, other modes and the online. The custom moves were a cool idea, but there's no point.

why is samus blue?

Custom moves could've been cool if you didn't have to unlock all of them
I guess CFW on the WIiU could've helped with that at tournaments but I doubt any official Nintendo tournaments would allow that

And some of them were just completely broken or straight upgrades from the normal moves

>you lay off on countering for a little bit once you get grabbed, then the second you see your opponent starting to use things other than grab again, you counter them

Yet again you're speaking in the context of being a fucking scrub and playing with shitty players.
Nobody good would ever fall for that. As soon as any of us see you fishing for counters we're going to bait you and wreck your shit.
You're the type of retard who would panic counter if you're recovering high to the ledge and you're the type of retard who would eat a charged f-smash for doing it.

>if your opponent tries to combo you after a grab you can just counter that too, as long as its not a true combo.

This fucking scrub... Yeah, obviously there's no startup frames on counter. God, how do you suck this bad at a game and yet still talk like you're not garbage at it?
Unless you have a nair like Mario or Luigi, your best options are usually jump away or air dodge. Try to counter and you'll eat an aerial during the startup frames of counter. You would know this if you weren't garbage at the game.

>Wow, its like there are four people who want to play at the same time.

You play teams, retard.

I don't know what you want me to tell you to prove i'm not a sm4sh faggot. I watch melee a lot and play sometimes. I've been watching summmit 2.5 all day and sm4sh puts me to fucking sleep. i fucking love melee

shine is broken bro. luckily, other characters have broken shit too (marth grab, falcon air wobbles, IC wobbles)

>any of the Persona Arenas
>precise counters
lol

Monado Arts
>powers up one of Shulk's stats
>drawbacks are negligible at worst
>very easy to keep using the same Art over and over

she got the Power Flower by sacrificing Yoshi

Holy fuck this.
You can't even go a single match on for glory without someone getting absolutely assravaged and needing to use 20 grabs + throws.

You could even say the meta is so fucking awful that everyone just threw everything out the window.

Wait did he actually say that you can counter to escape a grab? lmao he doesnt even understand what frame data is

>Monado Arts

Shulk is one of the worst characters in the entire game.

>P4A
>Not just a clusterfuck of buttonmashing


Online is like 90% yosuke anyways

>has ultima weapon and probably at max level 99

yeah no, anybody at this level is overpowered. reflect isn't broken in kh2.

>Persona 4 Ultimate arena
>4U

Wave dashing, in which that it is a bug, and is a literally a broken portion of a game.

I googled reflega and posted the first .gif I saw, baby.

But who needs reflega when you have guard?

>Persona 4 Ultimate Arena
>precision counters and parries
>the game where you can hold one button to perform 4 supers
>the game where mashing one button literally has you perform a full combo

It isnt a bug. I thought that too when I didnt know anything about game development, but now that I am informed I see that it is just an oversight of how useful an interaction of the state machine was, nothing more.

Then why do people keep playing as him?

Counters don't have a very long start up and this is Sm4sh, not Melee, combos are slow and generally if you have enough time to move out of a combo, you have enough time to counter in the middle of it. Maybe you should actually play the game yourself before you talk like some tourney player, or maybe you're one of those tryhards who thinks that a high win rate in FG means anything.

I can't, it's the reason he has his own tier

Because they enjoy his moveset you fucking retard. I like to play Ganon even if he is trash, that means nothing.

>melee top 8 is starting soon let me see what Wii U gf looks like
>Grab + aerial are deciding factors of a last stock
>no combos besides marios grab up air x10
How can people watch this shit

TIME'S TICKING

Alright fuckers, let me tell you about Igniz's whip
First off, shit hits like 8 times, each doing decent chip damage and INSANE guard damage.
Then, not only are you fucked if you block with chip, it also pushes Igniz far back enough to be completely safe, letting him do it over and over until it hits you or you jump for his free DP that does insane damage.
Second off, It cancels into itself on hit and block, letting you get MORE chip damage, MORE guard crush, and MORE meter.
Did I mention yet that this shit builds meter like crazy? because it does.
A blocked whip builds like 30% of a stock.
Now you may be asking, "but what if it hits?"
The answer is you die, because not only does the whip launch on hit, it juggles from itself, TO itself.
If you want to you can easily just open up neutral and then OCV with Igniz by doing as many quarter circle forward C's as you want.
This shit is crazy.

>P4A
>Precise to be able to counter
>5BD
Yeah okay
>In awakening mode
>block a hit from the opponent and find a tiny opening
>214214A~C
>Take off ~3k health or some shit like that

Pikachu up B in 64
I would also argue MK tornado, and Kratos square

Corrin's counter frame data looks like this Counter: 7-24 (Intangible: 6-7). 6 frames of startup is twice as slow as needed for a combo breaker.

They're a lot harder that the shit you see in Sm4sh.

You can always point out the scrub by how defensive they get over the counters being criticised. They're terribly implemented in Smash, I don't even know how this is up for debate.

>how precise you need to be to counter and parry in games like persona 4 ultimate arena
you're having a laugh
smash at least has you push down and a button
persona counters are literally a single button

>Counters are inherently very powerful, regardless of how weak their output might be.
lmfao
Nice bait, lad

Ice Climber's grab. Shine is much more abusable but wobbling is instakill

>high win rate
>FG

Man FG is fucking cancerous.
>Beat someone
>They switch to Mario and start spamming up-tilt
>Then they sit on the ledge and just kill-throw
>Beat someone
>They switch to samus and spam projectiles
>Beat someone
>They switch to little mac and spam counters
>Beat someone
>They switch to cloud and spam up-air the entire match
>Beat someone
>They switch to captain falcon and proceed to get 20 grabs in a match
>Switch to captain falcon as well for a doubles match
>They literally don't know how to deal with something from their own character that isn't in the flowchart moves
>Switch to fox and shine them off-stage
>They ragequit
>Repeat.

>Try to play in the Sup Forums weekends
>It's more of the same exact shit

If wobbles were as easy to pull off as shines then there'd be ICs mains

I'm a Meleefag Fox main and it really isn't.
With the decent people I play with, the most I get off of shine is a RPS between shield, spotdodge and roll because SDI away from shine gives Fox nothing guaranteed unless it's on like Falcon or Bowser.
Same with Falco but literally every character can SDI away and he gets literally fucking nothing save maybe a laser.

I don't know man, I just don't know.
I don't know how many you've seen, but there was an infamous Rosalina vs Villager fight where they sat there and stalled for the ENTIRE FUCKING MATCH.

The smash 4 tournaments are fucking awful, not even the commentators can salvage that garbage.

Don't play for glory, is full of ragetards that report you because you won.
Go to smashboards or even the smash general on vg, you will have better experiences, hell, some smash groups on normiebook are more fun to play than FG.

epic "your mum" meme. you must be over 18 to post here kiddo

Any move that comes out on frame 1 is fucking broken no matter what it does.

>combos are slow and generally if you have enough time to move out of a combo, you have enough time to counter in the middle of it.

See:
>Maybe you should actually play the game yourself before you talk like some tourney player

I literally am a tourney player and regularly attend local tourneys. I'm going to Genesis 4 next year.
Gonna drown in pools I'm sure, but going to a national will be good experience.

So kindly fuck off, scrub. You know nothing about this game.

What is smashboards exactly? I've looked at it a couple times and I don't quite get what it is or how it works. Does anyone still play smash 4 on the 3ds for that matter?

Are you implying the auto combo is any good outside meter building? Because if you're going for damage it's hot fucking garbage