Why are fightan games one of the many genres that Westerns are better at doing than Japs...

Why are fightan games one of the many genres that Westerns are better at doing than Japs? I don't think there's a single good Japanese fighter.

Name one western fighting game franchise that is in any way balanced.

No, MKX is not balanced.

>muh balance
Try having fun for once in your life, weeb.

Japan in general is barely even relevant anymore. Final Fantasy is going to be a shitheap, GG is hardly relevant, no Soul Calibur to be seen, and SFV completely bombed despite having formerly been one of the most popular fighting game franchises.

GG has never been good. Also you forgot to mention that Tekken is loli weebshit now and KOFand BlazBlu have always been garbage.

Good jap fighters:
>Street Fighter
>Tekken
>Capcom Vs
>King Of Fighters
>SSBM
>Virtua Fighter
>Guilty Gear
>Blazblue

Good western fighters
>Killer Instinct
>Skullgirls
>maybe MK

how can the west even compete

>inb4 muh sales
if that would be matter then Wii Sports boxing is the best fighting game ever.
there's a reason why MK is getting shitty tournament numbers

>Street Fighter
Sold out to esports faggotry
>Tekken
Sold out to idolshit weebshit faggotry
>Capcom Vs
Died after MVC2
>King of Fighters
Literally who series for Mexican weebs
>SSBM
Only good answer on your list. Too bad Brawl and 4 ruined the franchise.
>Virtua Fighter
Dead
>Guilty Gear
LOL
>Blazblue
LOL

>Skullgirls being good
HAHAHAHAHAHA holy fucking shit

>MUH TOURNAMENT NUMBERS
Imagine being this autistic.

Because fighting games are about reaction times rather than farming and memorizing things.

>LOL
so this is the argument of a MK babby.......
woah

MK is a poor fighting game that only sells due to blood porn.

What more argument do you want? GG and BB are autism simulators where the only "skill" is memorizing arbitrarily complex series of button presses, the story is generic anime shit and the soundtrack is buttrock. Literally only kissless weeb virgins like them.

better being a kissless weeb than a kid that still finds a bunch of blood on the screen entertaining

>Better being a kissless weeb than a grown man with masculine interests
So this is what Sup Forums has become, a bunch of emasculated weebs with no testicles. I bet you cry and "get feels" over games too?

I'd actually say MKX is pretty close to being balanced. There are only 10 or so variations that are complete trash. Every character has some pretty good viability. There's no character where every variation is terrible.

I love the MK series but the games before MKX were definitely imbalanced for the most part.

sorry, but a game being full of girls with manfaces doesn't make it masculine.
enjoy your NRS life cycle though

>Game based around blood and fatalities
>Not masculine
Not enough traps and lolis for you, faggot?

Sooooooooooooo

Unless I missed something big,can we officially declare fighting games a dead genre now?

Injustice 2 is coming out next year and Killer Instinct just came out. Everything else is shit though. SF, Tekken and VF are dead.

I honestly don't think they'll ever have the mainstream appeal of MOBAs, Starcraft, CS, etc. but they're far from dead. Early 2000s was when you could make a case for the genre being dead.

i mean that might sound entertaining.
if i was five year old.
i'll take solid fighting mechanics instead, something MK sadly lacks

hopefully, the genre was kind dead in early 2000s, and that was the best time for them since casual faggots left.

Injustice looks like it will be shit but I didn't like the original

Can't really say much about killer instinct

I kinda liked skull girls then the community kind of died

Now then,I have one question

What went wrong?

MK is the only fighter I like & even I can tell this is a bait threat

casuals joined, and games got dumbed down. (SF5 being arguably the worst example)
even GGXRD Rev, arguably the best fighter this gen feels dumbed down

With what exactly? I think fighting games are more popular now than they've ever been.

SF and Tekken are definitely not dead either. VF maybe.

Skullgirls
Mechanically they aren't. Content wise, sure.

You realize that there is an MKX pro tour as well, right?

Are people still crying about Lucky Chloe's inclusion in Tekken 7? Hilarious. I'll be sure to think about you when I'm playing GOTY 2017.

You're a fucking retard

Killer Instinct came out three years ago

Edgy manchild

Tekken 7 isn't even out and you are baselessly calling it dead? Use a trip 100% of the time.

I think he's more referring to the IP

>tournament numbers

I hate seeing people writing games off as being "dumbed down." No fighting game is "dumbed down" when you play it at the highest level. Please compete offline and show us how braindead MKX and SF5 really are then.

who gives a shit if you didnt like it

>only likes melee
>calls other people autistuc

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tournament numbers are pretty good example of how active a community is.
don't tell me you play fightan without going to locals at least.

who told you that

told me what?

All this shit taste
>SSBM
of course you'd be a smash babby

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that you need to go to some local to have fun and if the community is good

no i said, that tournament numbers prove that the community is active.
i just called you out on being a shitter that doesn't probably even go locals

i dont and i dont give a shit and if i did i dont think there are any around me

Mortal Kombat X sucks ass as a fighting game.

Like holy shit is it bad. It looks really good, the graphics are good and the combos are cool, but it is definitely not a better fighting game gameplay wise than SFV or Guilty Gear Xrd.

nice opinion

Is Soul Calibur western? Because that is like one of two fighting series I actually enjoyed playing.

>people fall in on this shit bait

The game is based around 50/50's and safe on block combo strings.

One of the things casuals hate about fighting games is they think they need to learn arbitrary long strings of buttons to do combos... yet all they do is buy Mortal Kombat, which is literally that.

No.

The game has changed a lot since last year. There are still some characters with powerful 50/50s, but it's not overwhelming like it once was. You can actually compete with solid neutral play or even zoning now.

I've always preferred MK9 to MKX though. MK9 will always be 20 times better than MKX in my eyes.

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I get that 27+ hit combos are cool to watch, but it's not fun to play at all. I prefer Street Fighter with it's combos that are like 4 hits long but have a lot more impact. The combos in SFV are also made up of moves that you actually do.

In Mortal Kombat there is a combo that's like X, Y, X+Y, but button X+Y on it's down does nothing. You have to hit the two other buttons before it. Fuck that.

ok

Not exactly. In MK9 and MKX, there are plenty of normals that you can rely on in neutral. You don't have to whiff a target combo (there are very few exceptions, like Jax's f413 in MK9, where the 3's hitbox was extremely good in neutral), that's really rare. There are lots of combos where it's just using normals + specials too, no target combos. And not everything hits for 27+ hits, some are very short. The system's more in-depth than you think.

f414, not f413

With how bad SF5 is,hell for this Gen its actually true

KI > SF5
MKX > SF5

Sure tekken,GG and BB are still better than anything western though.

Let's not gloss over the fact that MK is starting to sell out for horrorshit faggotry.

You have Freddy, Jason, Leatherface, Alien, Predator oh and they were going to go with Michael Myers and Terminator but it didnt work out for them.

None of these motherfuckers should be in MK but here they are and its turning into fuckin Terrordrome now

ok

As a huge MK fan, I completely agree. But I'm sure WB pressures the hell out of them to do it, so they don't really have a choice.

She's just the ugliest of a bunch of shitty new characters.

>MKX: ~1k players
>SFV: ~1k players

is fighting a dead genre

This is bait but I can't imagine how or why some people seem to legitimately feel this way. I don't even hate MK, Injustice, Skullgirls, and what I've seen of Killer Instinct. But those are literally the only good Western fighting games.

It blows my mind that anyone could actually think this when Japanese devs were making fighting games first and better than the ones that Westerners have always made. I don't even hate those stupid baka gaijin or whatever but it's always been Japanese devs who make all the big innovations in the genre. Not to mention most fighting game subgenres still don't have a single good Western fighting game in them. Where's the good Western 3D fighting game? Or the Western 3D arena fighter?

Give SFV some time. We also just got Pokken Tournament this year and we're getting a re-release on the Switch probably sometime next year. We're also getting Tekken 7: Fatal Retribution next year too.

We're getting a new Blazblue soon and GG Xrd Revelator just came out earlier this year.

We may or may not be getting a new Marvel vs. Capcom 3 next year or at least it could be unveiled.

Not to mention Injustice 2 coming out next year and we still need the final version of MKX to hit as well.

The genre has seen better days but it's not quite dead either.

>MK9

I was talking about MKX being more balanced. I love MK9 and it's actually my favorite game in the series, but it was definitely imbalanced. There were characters that were pretty much unplayable because they had 8-2 or even 9-1 MUs in some cases.

Tekken didn't die, Tekken Tag did.

Tag2 didn't sell to expectations and in fact almost dropped off of EVO the second year before the community had to fight to make it in

>>Give SFV some time.

>giving capcom another chance after they shat on the consumer this much

How about no?

this is the stupidest thread ive ever seen get replies on Sup Forums

good job. pushing the pretend retard meta to new heights

That's true.

I have a much better time using Goro in X than using Sheeva in 9.

>Where's the good Western 3D fighting game? Or the Western 3D arena fighter?

League of Legends and Dota 2

Yep, Sheeva-Kabal, Sheeva-Kung Lao, Sheeva-Kitana, etc. were just absolutely terrible. Kenshi had a large amount of 8-2s and even 9-1s as well. There were 4, maybe 5 characters that you wouldn't want to play in tournament ever just because of how garbage they were, and the likelihood of running into hell MUs. At least with MKX you have other variations to at least stand a chance, but besides that, I'd say 99% of the variations are fine on their own anyways.

Fucking no.

On that note, does anyone want to tell me how MOBAs are as big as they are? They are so boring.

This. Fighting games are literally made for E-Sports bullshit. They're easy to understand, there's health bars, fighting, two characters punching and kicking each other. MOBAs are so boring to watch, confusing as shit, last 40+ minutes and you wouldn't get what's going on unless you played the game yourself.

I can't imagine an EVO moment 37 happening in a MOBA.

>this reverse trolling

How am I trolling?

Casual see, casual do. You just have to pay the right people to advertise/play your game, showing everyone how much fun they (are paid to) have and you're set. There's also the fact that since it's a team game, the shitty casual players can blame their shitty casual play on their teammates, improving retention rate.

There's probably more, but those are the two biggest factors, I find.

>if i was five year old.

Oh, right, of course, we all know real men play games like this.

>Plays fighting games with literal fedora-trenchcoat wearing hipster douches that tip their hats and try to look cool smiling
>entire art style is based around cartoons that appeal to 10 year olds

>projecting your own insecurities about being an edgy manchild that plays animu fighters because he's a forever-turbovirgin

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The biggest factor of them all is the social aspect.

Thats really it.

Normies really need to play with their group of friends, they dont like sitting there alone and practicing things.

Gaming is a social activity for them, they would never play a 1on1 game for that fact alone.

Nigger, you're a tripfag. Your opinion is invalid.

Have you even played Skullgirls? It's way hardcore. It has Big Band in it.

>they were going to go with Michael Myers and Terminator but it didnt work out for the

I would have loved that.

>None of these motherfuckers should be in MK
Why not?