>RimWorld is a scifi colony management sim that seems to effortlessly weave dynamic stories around the player’s attempts to survive on an often harsh alien world, but when it comes to sexuality, romance and gender, it tells variations on this one story far too often. We dug into the code to find out why that is.
I’m the developer of RimWorld. The author of this anger-farming hit piece did email me asking if she could ask me some questions. However, she wanted to edit my responses. When I said I’d be willing to answer questions, but not if the responses were edited, she went silent. I guess she wasn’t willing to print the other side of the story if she didn’t have the power to edit it. There’s also some blatant lying in this article, where the author pretends not to know things that I specifically told her. For example, Claudia wrote: “It’s a game that’s still under constant development, and so this relationship system might well continue to develop and change. On top of that, the various numbers thrown into these governing formulae might well be there because of a late night, or as placeholders, or just to try and make the systems work.” However, in my email response I said, “You should be aware that there are some bugs in the relationship system in Alpha 15 that are already reported and fixed for Alpha 16. So you’re analyzing a broken system :/ Also, this system is just something slammed together to get the game working in a basic way. It’s just barely functional enough to fill its role. It’s never been intended as any kind of accurate or even reasonable simulation of the real thing.” So she knows for a fact that the system as it works has known bugs, already fixed. She knows for a fact that it’s very rough. Yet she insists on presenting this as some sort of “might well be” theory as though she has no more information.
Is there a chance someone could explain what's going on?
It just so happens that I give so little of a fuck that I can't be fucked to even open that link.
Gabriel Cooper
>I’m the developer of RimWorld I totally believe you bro
My dad works for Nintendo and he taught me how to spot Indies
On the other hand I applaud you for trying to use logic to respond to what is clearly a bait thread in response to a bait article by some hack
Carter Cook
Seems like a good game senpai
Blake Kelly
He isn't. He is just pasting a bit of a actual thing the developer actually posted.
Nathaniel Lopez
He copy-pasted what Tynan commented both on that article and on the Rimworld reddit page.
Rock Paper Shotgun wrote a social justice riddled, clickbaity hitpiece on Rimworld because the romance code has a bunch of probability calculations involved.
e.g. Characters who are "Beautiful" are considered attractive, which is problematic.
Henry Stewart
Something about how the game devs made the game reflect reality, with there being no bisexual men, only gay or straight and there being only bisexual and gay women. Also men are more likely to initiate if they have romantic interest in someone.
Although i disagree, all women are bisexual at some level in reality, there are no true lesbos
Connor Bell
What the fuck is this shit?
The article is shit, but so is your SJW game. This is what happens when you integrate bullshit social politics into a videogame. Your "friends' turn on you because you are not progressive enough.
Bentley Phillips
>there are no true lesbos
I don't know about this, user.
Landon Walker
To be fair, I also assumed the guy was memeing and i didn't read the rest of his post because i figured it was some shitpost
Jaxson Cook
I would care if I could get past the fact that the game looks like prison tycoon,
Carter Jackson
It's a pasta of what dev posted.
Game doesn't have enough homosex due to glitches and at least some design, RPS decompiles scripts, asks dev, ignores his replies and writes clickbait trash to smear the game.
It's unimportant drama.
Isaac Gonzalez
How to tell if a poster is an idiot:
Uses "SJW" unironically.
Hunter Gonzalez
>t. SJW
Gabriel Johnson
you sure showed him
Ethan King
>Rob and Boots can’t stop hitting on her because they’re men Stopped reading here. Any colonist will do this.
Joshua Price
Suck a dick faggot.
Nathan Lee
How's NeoGAF these days, user?
Noah Powell
Found the SJW faggot.
Christopher Campbell
>WHAAAAHHH PEOPLE CALL ME OUT AND SHUN ME WHEN I USE SLURS AND AM RUDE TO WOMEN!!! SJW CONSPIRACY!
Jaxson Green
>It is not at all uncommon to hear stories, in media and in real life, of how men ‘just can’t help themselves’ around beautiful women, and to hear how devastating it is for men to be rejected by the women to whom they are attracted.
Ok
>setting aside the truth of those stories, and how demeaning they are to men and women both, why is this the story that RimWorld tells about relationships?
>setting aside the truth of those stories, >why
Kill yourself
Lincoln Edwards
Oh boy
Camden Moore
Listen your probably not the real developer but if you are then I want you to go fuck yourself. This game is so similar to dwarf fortress it hurts. And at least dwarf fortress was hard.
Andrew Richardson
How little it takes you to read the fucking thread
Ethan Martinez
Reading comprehension is hard, isn't it bub?
Jaxon Jackson
I was always curious about one thing - what does penis taste like? You seem to have much experience in these matters, can you please enlighten me?
Owen Thompson
The developer is a Gamergate supporter, which is why the womanchild legbeards decided to cry about him.
Kayden Parker
The dev's response to the SJWs was beautiful, pretty much telling them to fuck off with their bullshit.
Kevin Jones
>pastebin Today OP was less of a faggot than usual.
Sebastian Richardson
>SJW writes an article about some literally who indieshit game >instantly there's a thread on Sup Forums about it Hang yourself.
Brayden Bailey
I read about that drama several hours ago, it's not that instant.
Mason Evans
This is like 3 days old dude lol
Xavier Bennett
Sup Forums has discussed this game multiple times before this even happened. Fuck off
Carter Miller
The proper response to shit like this is 'You're free to make your own game whatever mechanics you'd like.'
Jack Ramirez
Why do some many atrocious journalists title their articles "How X" or "Here's Why". It's a red flag that it was written by a retard or is clickbait.
Andrew Clark
>he agreed to talk to a "journalist" at all
Only got yourself to blame senpai
Christopher Morgan
>That nose
We know is behind this degeneracy
Connor Bennett
>Love rimworld >See this article >Neat >Still love rimworld cause it's a solid game and I'm too busy worrying about dying to maneating animals then who I ship with who
Holy shit this thread is useless
Nicholas Young
here's your (you)
Leo Martin
>Attractiveness variable means how attractive are you to other sex >If you are gay you have 0 attractiveness, other sex is not interested in you >Let's make articles because we don't understand code
Nathaniel Adams
A gaydar mechanic for a realistic game seems hilarious
Grayson Clark
I really wish more devs/directors/writers/whatever had the balls to say this to people.
Oliver Nguyen
I love rimworld and I'm sad to see (((them))) already trying to tear it down for basically no fucking reason.
Carter Rodriguez
Watch out Brianna Wu might make another game
Camden Gonzalez
>this game will always be early access
Oh well. Guess I'll have to miss out on it.
Connor Jenkins
He made himself a target by following the wrong types of people on Twitter :^)
Christopher Parker
They're still stupidly clinging to the idea that these people actually play games and or buy them.
James Jackson
I'll probably buy the game just to spite neogaf and the rest of the human garbage
Michael Jackson
>The eerie thing is, remove the bit about the crashed spaceship and this scenario mirrors a common narrative about romance, sexuality, and relationships between men and women. Then don't remove the goddamn spaceship. RimWorld is shit anyway. Dwarf Fortress is free and has more content.
Gabriel Ross
tl;dr I never understood why people are drawn to petty internet drama spawned by individuals who sit on their ass all day and have nothing better to do but post shit online to give their empty lives a purpose.
But at least the thread did remind me of my plans to build a giant freezer in front of my base in hopes to kill enemies with hypothermia instead of guns. This shit better work.
Alexander Ross
It's something you can ignore until it starts actually having a negative influence on your life
Samuel Turner
>Set aside the truth and invent a new scenario where outrage would be justified How do you call yourself a journalist and then say shit liek this?
Jeremiah Hughes
I already bought rimjob, who the fuck cares what mentally ill tranny dyke queer think.
They'll be killing themselves later in life.
Landon Jenkins
Pretty much this. The "anti-SJW is worse than SJW" meme is pretty false. Anti-SJWs aren't the ones looting cities and demanding their ideas be put in media.
Oliver Lewis
I've been told that a lot in regards to many things in life but I always managed to substitute video games instead of being responsible and dealing with stuff. It's working pretty well so far.
Ryan Roberts
This relationship bullshit is confusing me. Is there anal sex or not?
Thomas Foster
Yo I just bought this yesterday any pro tips?
Luis Sanders
two men can get at it so yeah sure
Ayden Carter
I think heatstroke is easier. The air conditioners give off more hot air than cold air anyway. You'll just have to make a very long, winding path for the enemies to walk through long enough to get knocked out.
Justin Reyes
Allow me to play doubles advocate. It's like that guy who always has to take the losing side in the argument. His/her boss wanted a "controversial article" about the game to generate hits, and the writer complied, it's their job. They don't genuinely think a game about a lesbian is STILL somehow fucking sexist and awful and that the game designer is a piece of shit.
Grayson Clark
WHERE ARE THE DUBS? YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE DOUBLES!
Cooper Morales
>But we have to edit this otherwise it won't be a hitpiece!!!
Charles Russell
I would never have heard of this stupid as fuck game if it weren't for the hitpiece. congrats.
Cameron Gonzalez
Can you not still just set a fire inside the hallway they are in, and let them burn? That used to be game breaking OP in alpha 13 when I played. Did they fix it?
Luis Torres
>It's like that guy who always has to take the losing side in the argument the clearly wrong side* I can't seem to find the image. "should single player games require an online connection to play?" and he has to play the "yes" side since the website has to generate hits
Ryan White
It ruins their stuff. I want it frozen in place in pristine condition to harvest it from their dead, cold bodies. I'd give them space aids and watch them all puke themselves to death if there were a mod that allows me to create/store/spread diseases but I haven't seen one yet.
Logan Davis
>Rimworld >literally who indieshit game You're such a faggot
Dominic White
>telling them they can't edit your statements to intentionally misquote you is "ceding editorial control" Holy fucking shit what is wrong with these people?
Charles Baker
Seriously I'm getting my shit pushed in on rough with the default since thing.
So far I've learned that long hallway of fire is subpar to freezer of death. Anything else? What tech to go for?
Liam Bennett
lowest form of journalism combined with nothing else better to contribute to society and a serious lack of a spanking while growing up.
Parker Robinson
They're feminists. They don't need logic or reason on their side, only need to constantly shout about how something is bad or wrong, and when disproved, switch to shouting about something else you can't win, there is no victory condition for them, they will never stop
Elijah Taylor
>the game devs made the game reflect reality, with there being no bisexual men, only gay or straight But my erection tells a diffrent story.
That said, this is a ridiculous fucking thing to be rustled about. And why is it a problem that characters that are "Beauitful" get attraction modifiers? Jesus fucking christ I just want to die
Samuel Ross
What a fucking boss
We need more people like him in the vidya industry
Isaac Gutierrez
i've completely had it with rock paper shotgun
fucking "journalism" pieces of shit that actually get paid to spew forth such a diarreah of nonsense
can anyone recommend any decent gaming websites that arent full of this SJW garbage?
preferably one that does lots of indie games
Kayden Foster
Rimworld was pretty big on here when it originally came out
Nathan Sanchez
Exactly. Now you know what editorial control is.
Michael Martin
No, that's not what editorial control means, you dumbass.
Caleb Howard
Game probably needs a "SJW mode" difficulty now where it makes every NPC have mental illnesses, create short-lived fads so NPCs can pretend to be special snowflakes and fight eachother over mundane shit that doesn't matter a few hours later anymore. They should also not do anything but complain all day and avoid productive work and therefore ultimately cause the colony to die quickly. It would be like giving an ant colony LSD and watching it wither and die, probably what that journalist hoped to see.
Matthew Campbell
I'm a fan of Kotaku, but it's not just video games they cover. They have pretty nerdy interests across the board so if you're one of those "i'm a geek but i don't like literature" fakers then don't bother.
Isaac Carter
Stupid retards wrote a stupid retard click bait piece and stupid retards on Sup Forums took the bait and now have to proselytize twice as hard as the stupid retard sjw faggots because the alt-right anti sjw crowd is very quickly becoming, by some impossible grasp, even more annoying and ideologically jingoistic. Stemming from this are the dedicated stupid retard shit posters that both parties are completely oblivious towards so naturally there are going to be multiple threads of this retarded shit that was very quickly responded to and concluded by the dev and all these stupid fuckers are going to take the bait every god damn thread because this board literally cannot get any worse than it is now. I miss the day when idiots like Jack Thompson occasionally made small time news and people just brushed him off.
Dylan Ross
>things were better when I was 12
David Foster
...
Camden Stewart
I'd love to talk about this game but first... *record scratch* I've got to explain a few things about gender politics...
Social interactions is very rudimentary in this game and is definitely not the central focus. Complaining about the social interactions in Rimworld is like complaining about the graphics and physics in Minecraft. They're just ignoring what the sum of the parts accomplishes so they can talk about politics and a lot of what the article's author said is just wrong.
No one cares if the shotgun has zero range and a ridiculous spread. Its just a contrived way of making situational weapons that force play style choices and strategy. No one cares if the relationships aren't a perfect model. They're just a contrived way of rolling positive and negative mood buffs/debuffs. Could it be better? Sure, but so could the physics, or environmental variety or anything else that would arguably be a better investment of time.
Ryan Murphy
Sure. Problem is that the bigger picture is more related to politics than video games.
Chase Allen
>this game isn't programmed how i want it >therefore we should question why the creator is sexist Don't you play as a dirty lesbo in this game?
Aaron Sullivan
Use Randy or Phoebe as story tellers. Cassandra is extremely random in difficulty, far worse than Randy in my experience.
Leo Wood
attempting to discern political and social commentary from code that is designed to be viewed from the outside looking in is a fool's task any way you look at it
Julian Scott
>kotaku
if you don't have anything valuable to say don't bother replying
>"i'm a geek but i don't like literature" fakers then don't bother. uh, i'd like to read about video games. and not "i dont like this" or "i dont understand how this works because i couldnt spent 30 minutes on the tutorials" so this is bad nonsense
Jackson Nguyen
this is how it's done boys. do something with your game that's guaranteed to be incendiary and too juicy for news stories to ignore ("game has no bisexual men in attempt to be realistic"), refuse to represent yourself when reached out for an interview, then slam on games journalism in the comments section. it's a win-win, a hugely succesful 500+ clickbait comment piece for RPS, and a bunch of people praising the dev for being literally our guy.
Hudson Bennett
What's wrong with Kotaku all of the sudden?
Andrew Wilson
>city-building game doesn't incorporate every single iota of the complex and nuanced intersections between psychology and biology that is human sexuality >creator must be sexist
the sad thing is, by talking about this shit we're giving claudia what she wants
Sebastian Martinez
>all of the sudden?
Matthew Lopez
The only reason I played this game was because I rolled Min-chan. My whole purpose was to keep her alive.
Nolan Perry
i found a link to RPS in my other bookmarks tab a day ago and stumbled upon this shit. couldnt delete that fast enough
Luke Jackson
>all of the sudden
Aiden Nelson
>all of the sudden
Josiah Sullivan
>1280x1024 it's 2016, grandpa. get off your macintosh