Does anyone even really even want 4K instead of 60 fps games?

Does anyone even really even want 4K instead of 60 fps games?

Doesn't really matter, consoles aren't getting either of them any time soon

They're too stupid to realize this.

But you can have both. What's this discussion really about?

I'd take ultrawide over generic 4k any day.
Nothing beats seeing more of your screen.

I can have both.

can someone explain to me why to get a ps4 pro? it doesn't even do native 4k games, it does that checkered upscaling bullshit. who cares? are they going to make a ps4 pro pro that really does it in a few years? this console cycle is so shitty

The majority of console players don't care about frame rate. This is why TVs market their resolution capabilities rather than refresh rate. They are dumb.

Got both already, and I'm only getting Pro for exclusives.

The TV lobby wants 4K because it would kill Netflix and the online competition if customers started to demand it.

4k is useless atm and only cause huge framedrops on intensive scenes. The sweet-spot for now is 2560x1440 on a computer monitor at 75-85hz.

Consoles upgrades like Scorpio and PS4 Neo should focus on improving graphics and framerate at 1080p instead.

Among normal fags I've never once heard frame rate discussions. I have however heard plenty of conversations revolving around which console has the best graphics and TRUE HD BRO! normal fags dictate how markets move forward.

>can downsample games and play them at 4K on a 1080p screen
>makes a difference, really softens everything up but it really depends on the game
I run most older games at 4K just because I can. Would never sacrifice 60fps for it though. Fuck yeah looks great but if it plays like shit I cant enjoy it.

More pixels on screen means interface elements can be proportionally smaller, giving the player more information (map, stats, items, etc.) at a glance without compromising visibility. It's almost like having a whole second screen.
More frames per second cannot give the player any meaningful information, only smoother movement, because most people can't reliably read an interface element that only appears for 1/60th of a second.

My PC can do both. Obviously I have to cut back a few grafix for my GTX 1080 to manage a constant 60fps in the more demanding games, but it's hardly noticeable for the most part. And next year's cards should resolve even that. Both Nvidia and AMD ones.

Just get a PC. Forget about consoles and pay the shills no mind. They just want to squeeze some money out of you before you realize you should have gone PC to begin with.

I don't think it will affect how large UI elements are allowed to be.
Take minimaps in existing games like TW3. It's pretty much the smallest it can be right now for being useful. Increasing pixels (and thus pixel density for a same size screen) might make the minimap HUD image sharper, but I doubt they will reduce the size any more than it already is. I don't think 4K gives you any actual vertical or horizontal real estate for a given aspect ratio. For a same size monitor you'd get a finer image, and for a proportionally larger monitor, the pixel density would not change. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's what sony released the ps4 pro to find out what console gamers really value.

Hint it's 4k.

It's not about what people want. It's how they can wow people into spending a ton of money for something they don't actually care about.

The mainstream crowd is filled to the brim with sheep. If you can convince them some gimmick is cool enough to talk about, they'll buy it for that reason.

Console marketing has exclusively relied on graphics as a reason to buy them to grab as much of the sheep as possible. They know that when they can't run that train anymore, their sales will drop drastically since that's all they've focused on for over 10 years and I doubt they are ready for that.

the ps4 pro isn't 4k though???? it doesn't support 4k games?????

thats not how screen space works retard. the resolution is higher but UI and character views stay the same

It is. it does.

>see lots of people bitching that games arent 4k
>the vast majority of people who play games dont even have a 4k tv

why are people retarded?
this applies to PCfags too. probably only 3% of people who play games have a 4k TV or monitor.

4k is fucking pointless right now. its just stupid selling buzzwords.

I already have 60fps games.

>tfw experienced 4k
Its not a meme, its amazing

Or they don't care. They'd rather just enjoy games and not specs.

Look up Dynamic Super Resolution, if they can do that on the new consoles, it will be a better form of anti aliasing

nah it just stretch the final render.

ive experienced 8k

1440p 60fps is the sweet spot.

Depends on the game. Some games are really easy to hit at 4k. NBA 2k17 runs at native 4k/60 on the Pro but it con on the equivalent PC hardware as well. Both consolefags and PCfags are retarded when it comes to 4k discussion.

You only say that because no consoles do 1080p 60fps well.

>already has them
wew is it standard practice to lie about shit you don't like?

4K < 1080p60 with maxed out graphics and great AA.

>2300
>Still considered 4k

It's a fucking meme, you know that right?

of course we have them, it's just that devs aren't taking full advantage of it
it's usually either 1080p OR 60fps, never both

>Not both

Nabbing a 4K monitor for about $200 was too cheap to pass on. Gives me a reason to actually have a nice gpu.

>4K is pointless, my HD game looks just fine!
>HD is pointless, my SD game looks just fine!

I'm starting to notice a pattern here

and that cycle will repeat more times than history should allow

4k is pointless COMPARED to 60 fps.

I'd say you should increase the resolution to 4k, only after you've reached 120fps.

It's a shame the console cucks will get neither.

4k is pointless on a 12 inch monitor one foot way from your face but on a nice 50 inch UHD tv it's night and day.

>anything less then 144
120fags are pretty alright too

it's all about that epic cinematic experience

It's good on either, but you'll notice 120 fps far more.

I'm fine with 720p50 games.

I have 144hz monitors but I set them to 120hz so I can use lightboost

>mfw nvidia surround+lightboost
I wish there was 120fps porn

>4K is pointless, my HD game looks just fine!
>HD is pointless, my SD game looks just fine!
>I'm starting to notice a pattern here
DVD SD is good enough for watching live action TV and movies.
CD audio is good enough for music.
HD 720p is good enough for vidya.
IMHO

>anything less than 288
Thanks for holding the industry back poorfag