Release standard home console with modern specs

>Release standard home console with modern specs
>Put as much effort as possible into its game lineup

Would Nintendo be better off if they did this?

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Assuming it had 3rd part support on the same tier as xbone/ps4

yeah

No. At best, they'd just find themselves back into the same situation they were in with Gamecube.

No, because it would be seen as another Xbox/Playstation clone. Nobody would see the reason to buy it because their other two consoles already do the same thing.

Honestly, what they're doing with the Switch is better. They're giving people a reason to buy it over the competition, not just copying them and saying "buy the same shit you already have".

>Put as much effort as possible

do u really think company just says "lol lets not try this time"

GameCube used mini disc while the competitors used dvds. Which one do you think is less of a gimmick.

So you want an xbox/ps4 with Nintendo games? Cause that's what you're asking for.

Nintendo will always try to do something different. At least with the switch, it's the closest to being 'normal' in comparison to their past consoles

No because Nintendo fans don't care about performance or games. As long as it has Mario or Yoshi or Link or some shit they will gobble it up.

Gamecube used mini discs, but they were still trying to make powerful consoles that could compete with Microsoft and Sony. We all know this.

Microsoft and sony consoles sell at a loss and make their money back in network subscriptions.
Nintendo could never do the same thing, they'd either drop a $600 console which nobody would buy, or they'd release one for $400+ and drop a $15 monthly on it.
Considering nintendo is perceived as a children's console to 99.9% of people over the age of 25, it's one of those things nobody would buy their kid, and no kid over the age of 16 is going to go "mooom but me the new nintendo console!"
Besides even with equivilent specs they'd probably fuck up the architecture or API and nobody would port anything, leading to another wiiu debacle where all the promises are lies and all you get is horrible remakes like bamham armored edition.

Not like the rest of you are any different. You'll still buy Sony or Microsoft's next iteration so long as you get your supply of Metal Gear, CoD, Gears, etc.

Don't pretend like you're not doing the same thing. Unless you've given up and just play emulators now.

Right now they are the only ones intensely pandering to normies and children. If theyre making enough money to be happy in that market, I say keep on keepin on.

If they're losing business however, they have to change in someway. I get the feeling nintendo is dead set on not changing though.

its sad that nintendo is associated with gimmicks now

was the nes's gimmick

i'll wait

Well as long as the controller offered some new form of interaction, I'd be okay with it.

Eh maybe. They'd have to advertise heavily and market it specifically as a competitor since they've spent the last 20 years trying to differentiate themselves.

But i mean if they pulled out all the stops, console pokemon, Sm5sh, Mario Kart 10, LoZ, ect within the first 1-2 years, well comparatively i'd say i'm still not willing to buy a current gen console based on their offerings, but that would be a sight to see, on top of a 3rd party library even plebs probably wouldn't pass that up.

It would need primo online architecture though, and that's something Nintendo has been historically horrendous at.

>So you want a PS4 with Nintendo games

Yes.

but gamecube is best console

Are you asking "What was the NES' Gimmick"? If so the very nature of video games in the 80s was a fucking gimmick famiglia

>Microsoft and sony consoles sell at a loss and make their money back in network subscriptions.
That was at least the idea, but it didn't work. MS and Sony lost like $9 billion collectively on 360 and PS3.

It's why Nintendo doesn't push hardware anymore, it's not worth it.

>PS4 is a crippled PC
>Xbox One is a crippled PC
>ahurrdurr should Nintendo make a crippled PC too??

>Literally a NVIDIA shield, down to the Tegra X1
sure is going to be good with that 30 minute battery life

Dpad, you underaged simpleton

I'd rather hang out with a cripple than a retard.

Because it would be just another box that play games but with 100% more less Bluray Player.

>paying hundreds of dollars to hang out with a retard

>crippled PC

More like gayman PC is crippled console.

Interesting.

Nintendo fans are usually accused of wanting a Nintendo with PS4 games.

> Why i don't / wont own a gamecube / wii / wiiu / switch: the post

>implying people gives a fuck about the damn size of the discs
>implying people that didnt buy the gamecube even know what the size of the discs was


Xbox had regular size discs and it did poorly aswell.

Who the fuck cares about how powerful a console is?

Seriously?

Who the fuck cares.

>Nintendo games are shit.
>nintendo games are for kids
>But if Nintendo go third party their games would be good on my console.

I hate those faggots

>Who the fuck cares about how powerful a console is?
Neo/v/ and normies who get overwhelmed looking at a 104-button keyboard

>Make a third near-identical console with the same games people will just buy for Xbone/PS4
Yeah, that's TOTALLY what Nintendo needs to do, exactly what their competitors are already doing in a shrinking market.

No one will buy CoD and AssCreed on Nintendo's platform, the audience just isn't there. Hardware isn't the problem, demographics and the state of the industry as a whole are. Publishers don't want to take any risks due to the shrinking console market and rising costs. PS4/Xbone aren't getting much beyond safe AAA multiplats and the total number of games on both platforms pales in comparison to what 360/PS3 had at the same time.

Fuck, the Xbone only has ~600-700 games available in three years, with TONS being rereleases from 360, when the OG Xbox had over 900 in four years despite being a completely new console and brand. The industry as a whole is just creatively bankrupt and only wants to make what is absolutely safe and guaranteed to sell millions of copies because anything else could potentially cost them tens of millions. Nintendo are pretty much the only ones taking any risks with hardware and software.

This so much. I cant get over how this history lesson is so ignored by smartasses that shit talk nintendo for its gimmicks.

And it played DVDs too, like the PS2.

Like 99% of the people who buy them from about the 1980s till now.

Like it or lump it it's how the world works and it's how companies whose products you either like or dislike thrive, so learn to manipulate it or don't complain about it.

So long as we get third party support*

Activision, Ubisoft and EA cared because they stopped making games for the wiiu

What games would a dullahan play?

The PS2 came out a whole year before.

The problem isn't power, but games.


Wii and PS2 where weak as fuck in terms of power, but still got a massive amount of games, ranging from shovelware to legit good games.


The issue is now we have "powerful" console with fuck all games. On top of everything, Sony and Microsoft is on bed with good chunk of publishers.

>the majority is right! give more powerful for games that do the same shit as all the other games
Wow, they have such good games!!!!

...

>Who the fuck cares about how powerful a console is?
Third party game developers do.

Because common sense is all-too rare these days.

Console market is shrinking, Sony/MS already have their audience in their pockets and said audience doesn't really want those games on a Nintendo platform anyway.

Third parties need to make more than AAA multiplats if Nintendo ever wants support, and I don't see that happening any time soon since AAA publishers only want huge AAA blockbusters because that's all they can sustain themselves on at this point.

I just don't fucking understand why people STILL think all Nintendo has to do is exactly what Sony and MS are doing (and lost literal BILLIONS doing it) and they'll magically succeed.

>modern specs
not needed for nintendo games, they aren't made to push the hyper-realistic graphics that sony and microsoft seem to think is needed in their movie games

Those lil' fuckers were great.

Yeah. You needed to buy a peripheral for it, though. There's also the fact that the thing looked hideous and the catalogue was weird as fuck.

no because consoles cannot directly compete with PCs anymore.
Tablets are still a new technology that is more expensive and has a point to be proprietary closed system to some extent so nintendo is absolutely making the right decision in merging their mobile and console markets together.

The catch is that Nintendo never going pay the AAA deal like Microsoft and Sony.

They literally throw gorillions in marketing for a single game. But if you compare, Nintendo said in one sharehold meeting that new zelda is just costing 2m to make profit back.

Any AAA game nowdays take at least 5 to 10m alone to make profit back. They are killing everything on consoles.

I never said they were right.

I said that's how they act, and like or dislike it, that is how they will always act, so either learn to understand and interpret market forces acting as market forces always have or shut up and stop complaining about market forces acting the way market forces always have, because at the end of the day you are an individual and have less than a snowballs chance in hell of affecting change on the levels necessary to shift retarded normies opinions that "DAAA NUMBER BIGGA ON DIS 1 DIS 1 BEST WOOO!"

Nut up you fucking bitch.

Their games aren't good, but they bring normalfag money to the console and get more hardware sales. That is usually good for the console's developer.

> Nintendo are pretty much the only ones taking any risks with hardware and software.

Pandering to handheld market isn't exactly russian roulette here.

These are the people who have literally been rehashing the same games since the 80s here, and i say this as someone who generally enjoys Nintendo releases.

People love to say the GC didn't sell well because it lacked some multiplats and didn't play DVDs, but the Xbox had both and sold just as poorly.

If anything they don't want high-end hardware because that means longer dev cycles and higher costs. They want just enough to push their cinematic experiences at 22fps, nothing more.

What they DO want is parity and all consoles to be near-identical in terms of actual hardware and their UI/OS/etc. so they don't have to actually put any effort into porting games and can plaster ads all over the console's dashboard.

That's another aspect of it people always leave out, Nintendo does not offer the same ecosystem Sony and MS do. Third parties more or less control Sony/MS platforms, we have ads for the games on the dashboards and ads all over the shop, preorders/DLC shilled left and right, etc. Publishers want more control than Nintendo is willing to give them and they cannot operate the same way they do with Sony/MS with Nintendo.

Gamecube was let down by the higher dev fees Nintendo charged, the constant meddling and censorship they tried to enforce. About half way through the generation, games began to get too big to even fit on the Mini-DVD.

Innovation and new ideas are often stifled at Nintendo because it has to go before their board, made up mostly of elderly Men who veto anything they don't understand.

Nintendo needs to mend bridges with developers to get all of the 3rd party games that PS/XB have, quit meddling in the development process, make the console equivalently as powerful as the competition.

I don't think you quite understand what a gimmick is.

It's obviously not the only reason, but it was part of the problem. The GCN also came out a year after the PS2, and by that time the thing had sold millions already.

No.

People don't play CoD/FIFA in a vacuum, if they can move progress/go to where their friends are they will play there.

The idea that the Xbox CoD community or the PS CoD community would move over to a Nintendo box when they've been conditioned to defend their twin to the death is ridiculous.

The future belongs to a new market entry who successfully merges the phone/TV/laptop game market (buy once, play everywhere).
Desktop PC is irrelevant already, TV consoles and handhelds would be on their way out once the above happens.
But it won't be Nintendo. Nips can't thing out of the box.

It had almost every multiplat PS2 had though, and it pushed the "Mature games for mature gamers like myself" mentality.

Point being a lot of what people attribute to the PS2's success also applied to the XB, so saying the GC failed because it didn't do what the PS2 did doesn't seem too accurate as the XB did and still sold poorly as well.

Nintendo would have been better off if someone mercy killed the company

They've tried to rely on gimmicks for 2 generations in a row. What more do you want?

Companies being known for things can be cemented after a single console.

>video games would have been better off if someone mercy killed the industry
fuck i had a few typos in my last post

>wanting less games and less competition

They'd have to go head to head against sony and microsoft's iron grip on the dudebro and 13 year old boy market, which would be impossible. Nintendo already makes bank appealing to casuals, small children, and the elderly, why fuck it up?

>implying Nintendo is competition at this point

>nintendo
>games
>nintendo
>competition

This is word by word my thoughts on the nintendo situation.

We'd all love to see nintendo franchises on over the top hardware with third party support. But that's a situation that is getting more and more unsustainable, not only for nintendo, but for the whole industry.

Ironically enough, they knowing this may make them stay around for longer.

3 if you count mini disk. 4 if you count the whole "Expandable / Addon" thing they tried with the 64.

AAA got too big and now publishers can't sustain themselves on anything else, so AA and smaller/niche games are all but dead outside indies and Japanese developers. Publishers are clamping down and not taking any risks, which includes publishing anything for Nintendo that's not Just Dance, Disney Infinity or Skylanders.

And even if Nintendo were willing to shell out for massive marketing, the audience for the games is just not there. Too few people will buy multiplats for Nintendo's platform if they already have a PS4 and there's a huge community there.

The problem is that third parties are unwilling to take any risks and make anything that's not a huge AAA blockbuster, and that's due in large part to the rapid contraction of the console market after 6th/7th gen.

>why fuck it up?
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So what you're saying is Nintendo needs gimmicks to keep up with Sony and MS otherwise they would be annihilated?

Gimmicks do move the consoles forwards even if you don't like it.

Long as it works and catch consumer attention, nobody likes motion controls being shoved on a jrpg or some shit, but it is pretty much good option for a shooter or something that needs a pointer.


A lot of standard stuff were gimmicks on past, analog sticks, shoulder buttons, d pad, rumble. A good and proper implemented gimmick is way better than a box that just play games.

>Pokemon Sun/Moon will be the best-selling games in 2016
Calling it now.

Totally agree with you. Also, the gamecube had a good chunck of third party support and multiplats if we compare it with its predecessor and successor. It didnt matter then, so nintendo doesnt have a reason to think it will matter now.

No. At this point Nintendo is likely to do well for themselves by positioning the Switch as the +1 console. You know, you have your PS4 or Xbox One, but no matter which you also have the Switch. While they could afford the associated R&D costs needed to produce a proper box to compete with their immediate competition, no one tunes in to their first party IP for high end visuals, and so spending that money in exchange for a more realistic Zelda and Mario IP would not be money well spent. If the price is reasonable, it'll have no trouble capturing its intended market and then some, but they'll also have to push third-party games that aren't pre-existing mobile phone titles. The stuff they showcased for the reveal trailer indicates a desire to do just that, but we'll have to see how that bears out in the long run.

The problem is that most normies (at least the ones who haven't moved to mobile) won't see a reason to get Nintendo's answer to the ps4 or bone because they already have a ps4, bone or both.

Nintendo needs to keep doing what it's doing but with better marketing, or come out with something better than what we got.

If the N64 Controller was new people today would call it a gimmick

>Gimmicks do move the consoles forwards even if you don't like it.

It worked for the Wii by fluke. When the Wii came out, smartphones just weren't something the general population owned. The iPhone and Android wouldn't come out for another year. Your choices for smartphones were Blackberry or Windows Mobile, only nerds and businessmen used these. The average consumer was looking for some casual gaming and the Wii offered that. They played the fuck out of Wii Sports for a year before they moved onto Candy Crush and Farmville.

Wii U's gimmick did not ship units, and it's a common source of complaints.

They're already making shitloads of money, though. The wii was a license to print money, and while they know they halfassed the Wii U they're not going to make that mistake again with the switch
Besides, a halfassed console in a market with zero competition is better than fucking up against the two biggest technology companies in the world

Yes, but soon as dual shock hits people would dick suck it.

If its disgarded after 1 gen, it's a gimmick.
If it comes standard on literally every single console / controller after it, it's no longer a gimmick.

It's exactly what's going to make them stick around, they always plan long-term and try to ignore fads they don't think they can capitalize on well. Aside from the Wii, every console since SNES has sold under expectations, but they're still just fine financially. Nintendo realized after the N64 and GC failed to meet expectations that they just can't push expensive hardware anymore and still make money.

Nintendo releasing an expensive console sold at a loss with the intent to court 3rd-party, western AAA multiplats will fucking bury them so fast it's not even funny. The audience for those games just isn't there, it doesn't matter how beefy the console is or how much they spend on marketing. People will still just buy those kinds of games on the other platforms, publishers simply need to be willing to make more than AAA garbage.

Nintendo would be better if they released a Steambox and put their games on steam. that way retards can buy the steam box if they want to have a Nintendo console, but everyone else can juts buy the games form PC

>Candy Crush and Farmville.
They should be sick of that garbage by now and willing to go back to handheld gaming, so the Switch will be a huge success.

Motion controls are finding a place with VR shit, also I hate that you faggots always turn blind eye on PS move and Kinect.

The problem isn't gimmicks but how they are implemented into the console.

What if they start developing now and release 1 year before the PS5/Xbone2.

Not him, but precisely. If by gimmick we understand differentiating themselves from their competition in a noticeable way.

The fucking Dpad on the NES was called a useless gimmick when it released too, you imbecile.

Calling new technology a "gimmick" is not something that came about with the fucking Wii, you underaged cunt.

Also no him, but yes, they need to differentiate themselves from the competition, not do exactly what they're doing and try to compete (again) in a shrinking market that's already struggling to stay sustainable.

They need to offer something you can't get elsewhere, not the same shit you can already get on the PS4 you already own.

Then we're back to NGC where a year later the machine is obsolete.

They need would need to shift schedules to be in competition to Sony and Microsoft's new consoles. Since the Wii, however, I don't think Nintendo wants to be seen as competing with them, but more existing along side them.

>They should be sick of that garbage by now

But they're not, there will always be a "free" game to take their time.

If it's abandoned after one console, it's a gimmick. If it becomes standard then it isn't a gimmick.

Wii waggle sticks were superseded by the Wii U's tablet controller. D-Pad and thumbstick became standard.
>Calling new technology a "gimmick" is not something that came about with the fucking Wii, you underaged cunt.

What you can't address my real argument so you're just making shit up now?

So AV cables and wired controllers are a gimmick now?

More like the Nintendo MEEM

>If it's abandoned after one console, it's a gimmick. If it becomes standard then it isn't a gimmick.
Standard definition output confirmed as a gimmick.

Your qualifier for what constitutes a gimmick is flawed and do not accept it.

AV cables were an already established standard that worked across a vast range of devices. That's not even comparable.

Wired controllers were used across several generations and across all similar devices of the time and they still exist.

>Nintendo announce project cafe.
>Microsoft and Sony rushes PS4 and Xbox "720"

They always going wait for Nintendo release something, it's dumb to let Nintendo go unchecked.

>Standard definition output confirmed as a gimmick

Are you honestly saying that only one single console ever in the history of all consoles output in SD?

If you want to be a pedantic cunt, yes.

Since you probably are a legitimate pedantic cunt though here you are.

> If it comes standard on literally every single console / controller after it, it's no longer a gimmick*

*even if said standardization is eventually superceded by a techonologically superior, though functionally analogous alteration.

>If it comes standard on literally every single console / controller after it, it's no longer a gimmick

>literally every single console / controller after it

Your own words. PS4/Xbone are HDMI only. AV cables are a gimmick according to what you yourself said, they are no longer standard.

And let's ignore the fact that the DS4 has some motion control capability, Xbone still has Kinect, 3DS has some form of motion control, VR uses motion controls heavily and that the Wii U gamepad also has some form of motion control and that Wii remotes are compatible and even required for many Wii U games.

Motion control is here to stay, it's not a gimmick any more than an analog stick or a Dpad were. And AGAIN, they were called gimmicks, too. It's something that will stick around and will continue to evolve. I guarantee the Switch will have some form of motion control as well, pretty sure the reveal video seemed to imply its there.