So why was Ground Zero's so much better than Phantom Pain?

So why was Ground Zero's so much better than Phantom Pain?

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You can survive a shot to the head, but a broken heart always kills.

Big Boss approved.

I don't think it is, really, though Not-GTMO might be the best level across MGSV overall. During the main mission especially it arguably has the most compelling atmosphere since the Tanker chapter, but otherwise I don't think GZ is more interesting than TPP.

Why do you prefer it?

Because the point of The Phantom Pain is that it's a subversion of Metal Gear as a whole.

Much like how MGS2 gives the audience a different protagonist from what they want, MGSV gives the audience a different kind of game from what they want. Ground Zeroes is deliberately misleading in what kind of game MGSV is going to be, just like how the Tanker was in MGS2. It not only has a different protagonist, but a different tone, a different kind of music.

People thought they were getting Metal Gear Solid Five, they got Metal Gear Solid Vee. There is even an interview were Kojima is asked "Why Roman numerals instead of Arabic?" and Kojima responds - "Because MGSV is a departure for the series."

MGSV is sneakily a giant spin-off, the ultimate ruse.

More effort went into it than any other TPP mission. Also much harder than TPP altogether (aside from insane FOBs)

The truest fucking example of quality over quantity, holy shit. I played GZ for 30 hours. The gameplay was that good. Why did Kojima do this to us.

>GZ was good meme

Less overpowered weapons, no overpowered buddy, no support, no intel.

MGSV is almost as good when you go alone with minimal weapons and no iDroid usage.

Then there's a complete lack of nicely designed, big camps. And interiors.

Guys, I'm crying right now.

Just looking at him makes me feel something strange inside. I guess you could call it "love". I'm in love with Big Boss. I've lost interest in all guys, besides him. Guys who are considered "hot" by the general female population don't cut it for me anymore.

Big Boss really is all I think about all day, every day. I really do cry myself to sleep at night thinking about how I'll never be with him. If only he knew I existed in this life, if only he knew my deep profound love for him. I know that will never happen though. That is the thought that makes me so sad when I look at him. I'll never be with him, but I'll continue to love him until the day I die.

Think about it this way, Venom knew all of this and didn't care.

>Roman numerals instead of Arabic
You got it backwards. There are no "Roman numerals", you're thinking of Arabic numerals. What's more, the "Arabic numerals" you're referring to are Indian numerals.

GZ was a tight, well designed and open (but not too open). PP was unfinished and shallow.

Oh fuck off, you literally got one unfinished arc. Which later got released as a video anyway.

Skullface arc was finished
Paz arc was finished
Quiet arc was finished
Huey arc was finished

You already know what happened to Eli because you watched the fucking video like everybody else. It wouldn't make you change your mind on the game if it was actually in, just like it didn't change the minds of MGS2 haters.

This.
Kojima was pretty explicit about it too.
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In the end, it's all about him being tired as fuck of Metal Gear, he must be really excited for DS.

>Indian numerals
Actually Indoeuropean, and Indians of today have nothing to do with Indians of old, who were Aryans.

So really, they're European numerals, or more accurately, Aryan numerals.

>well designed
>Camp Omega
What?

You joostfags are pathetic. If you had any understanding of underlying narrative, you would notice that Quiet has nothing but love for Venom Snake, but Venom doesn't feel the same way about Quiet, he only has disdain and hatred for her. Quiet was an easy target for Venom and he made Quiet fall in love with him over time, slowly but surely so that he could break her heart in the end, his entire plan of revenge came to a conclusion when Snake deserted Quiet, just as Quiet thought that he started to care about her.


Venom wanted Quiet to think he felt something for her, and he actually did feel something but it was only hate and disdain, but having her fall in love was always part of the plan, just like seeing her fall into despair while he refused to save her from torture (right after the poison gas scene) was.

Venom's whole shtick at revenge was to win Quiet's heart over and then break it.

Venom didn't care for Quiet.

Only Sup Forums and Redditors think so, so the complete opposite is the truth.

He didn't.

Nah, they cut heaps, the art book even revealed they cut more than we thought

Chico as the final boss

This.

No, it only revealed Chico was alive, nothing about him being the final boss.

It was pretty obvious he was going to be the star of Act 3

You're acting like everyone on Sup Forums hasn't already seen it, considering there was a thread every day with this picture.

Source?

Most projects have cut content. It's just part of the creative process. MGSV still tells a complete story and there's nothing noticeably absent save for the conclusion to Eli's arc (which is definitely an issue, though a lesser problem in my opinion; TPP has worse issues).

Spooky ax murderer Chico looked pretty dumb anyway. He was better off dying in the helicopter.

The only thing cut shown in the artbook is Mission 51, Chico and the Battle Gear.
And a bunch of additional arms.

>Act 3

Almost 100% confirmed to be the title card before the FOB cutscene. i.e IT'S FUCKING NOTHING.

Because good, focused, contained level design beats giant empty maps any day. TPP should have been a series of multiple well designed areas like Camp Omega and OKB-Zero were, and taken place all over the world instead of only Afghanistan and Africa.

Delusion is off the charts

>Camp Omega
>OKB Zero
>well designed
What?

not that user but this is legit my first time seeing this picture

Nothing suggests this. It's also entirely at odds with the main thrust of the story.

Despite being a glorified demo, Ground Zeros was a fully realized game

Polish

They were head and shoulders above the few dozen tiny outposts surrounded emptiness that the game mostly consisted of.

No, it wasn't.
This is the kind of worthless opinion that makes me glad no one ever listens to what Sup Forumseddit has to say.

>fire arm
>parasite arm
>archaeal arm

god fucking damnit I would have loved to get those

>Quiet arc was finished
Does anybody think that she was a well written or interesting character? Who the fuck care about her arc?

>Paz arc was finished
Her arc ended with GZ. Everything in TPP was to do with Venom.

>You already know what happened to Eli because you watched the fucking video like everybody else.
Making it as a special edition only content means it's not a part of the package that is MGSV:TPP. So when I say it's unfinished, it is indeed unfinished.

>Despite being a glorified demo, Ground Zeros was a fully realized game

Stop.

I know you're disappointed over TPP not being as great as you wanted it to be but this delusion is off the chart.

If only they'd given him the time he wanted.

You can feel how close he was getting to a real masterpiece.

>Ground Zeros was a fully realized game
It was a 40 minute long, $40 scam.

Of course, Sup Forums needs to be as contrarian as possible and spout trash like this.

PS360 versions should have been cancelled.

samefagging aside, nice regurgitation. So I'll regurgitate what I said last time I exactly saw these series of posts.

second post's image is Naked Snake and not Big Boss considering that's the part before the Halo Jump. Better yet he's Jack/John at that point.

It was a fully realised game, doesn't mean I was going to pay $40 for it.

Guards actually have good positions and patrols that allows them to scour the entirety of it, there's no single entry point that isn't checked once in a while, most hiding places are regularly checked as well, there are many more obstacles in the way which both allow you to sneak around, as well as the enemies to come from unexpected angles, and there's no real overhead position from which you can spot and mark everything.

In TPP, camps are spread apart, with few buildings, they're surrounded by high places which makes spotting everyone easy as fuck, and their patrols are shit.

Look what I learned in clas today guys! What I mean to say is fuck off, what you thought this was was a board that dealt with your bullshit.

>It was a fully realised game
This is false though.
Fully realized games don't have one, 40 minute long level and that's it.

I played it on the PS3, it was impressive how well it ran.

20 FPS at 960x540?

>If only they'd given him the time he wanted.

Ultimately it would have changed nothing.

You would get mission 51 and maybe; a few new bionic arms, a third Volgin fight, some more activities at motherbase.

Story would be the same, writing would be the same, game design would be the same, tone would be the same. Instead of dreaming up some MGSV that never existed, just admit you didn't like what was plated and be fine with that.

So was the gameplay in TPP. The only shit part of TPP was the story. Gameplay was pretty much the same as GZ if not better.

>Ultimately it would have changed nothing.

Straight up, you don't know this.

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Not really. The story is somewhat meaningless without TPP to expand on it.

It's hardly a complete story, it leads nowhere, has no closure, it feels disconnected from the rest of the series, and if you aren't brain dead, you can see plenty more things have no conclusion, like Kaz which Code Talker tells you to be wary of, Ocelot who plays NO FUCKING ROLE IN THE WHOLE THING, and a good dozen tapes that were obviously repurposed cutscenes.

30fps for the vast majority actually, the fox engine is a work of art.

I think mgsv should have taken the open level approach as opposed to open world, it would have made it better because it would all be as polished as camp omega.

>PS360 versions should have been cancelled.

They really should have been.

Mission 51 was almost 100% guaranteed cut because of PS360, what they are describing in the video sounds way too ambitious for the hardware.

What we wanted was Metal Gear Solid 5, what we got was Metal Gear Solid Sup Forums.
Figured it out guys, this is retribution for how the rest of the board treats Kojima.

GZ vs TPP is the ultimate example of "less is more"

>Ocelot who plays NO FUCKING ROLE IN THE WHOLE THING
He spins his gun once.
Worst game 2/10 into the trash

More area to play in doesn't mean a better game.

MGS1 took place entirely on Shadow Moses, a small Alaskan base with lots of places to play around with technology.

The tanker in MGS2 is my favorite part of the game because it gave you lots to play with, without it getting stale.

MGS5 is a literal sandbox with little unique content between each place you visit.

Me aschu sumfin

Probably the reason too why there was no massive battle in OKB Zero.

>100% guaranteed cut
Thanks, Mr.Kojima.

>You already know what happened to Eli because you watched the fucking video like everybody else.

I was under the impression that guy was criticizing the game. Cut content is by definition not part of the game.

The biggest problem with TPP is it's Open World

Kojima & his team were not ready to make one, the Fox Engine probably wasn't either, especially with last gen console limitations

TPP would have been 10x better if it was just say 5-6 GZ missions, but they wanted to push the open world meme because muh Skyrim muh GTAV

ground zeroes has actual level design, and good one at that (mostly). all phantom pain has is a bunch of huge open spaces with huts strewn randomly in between. that's not entirely true, there is some actual level design going on, for example that first village where you rescue kaz, but there are very few examples of that in the game.

Pic related.
In comparison, I have 4 hours in GZ.

One thing I rarely see mentioned about TPP is the lack of variety in side missions. That's something that personally really disappointed me. Hell, even Peace Walker had more to offer in terms of extra ops: Ghost photography, reviving soldiers, pooyan missions. The game is lacking when it comes to the side ops.

>ground zeroes has actual level design, and good one at that
This is objectively false though.

>there is some actual level design going on
This is false too.

>there are very few examples of that in the game.
Between V and GZ, there's 0 examples of this.

It wasn't. You're a jaded faggot. Sorry you didn't get to go nuclear, but get the fuck over it.

TTP was supposed to be, and in light of recent Konami-user, COULD have been the end-all-be-all of tactical stealth espionage and the crowning achievment of the MGS franchise, and even though it wasn't anywhere close to that, we still got a damn good videogame.

220 hours and 60 USD well spent.

Fucking come on, the map compliments the gameplay you moron. TPP is just empty open space with tiny camps everywhere which is just two watchtowers and some tents. I was expecting at least half the size of GZ for these outposts but nope.

soon...

>My Pa, he wasn’t ah, he wasn’t a religious man, no. Couldn’t copy it, paste it or post it and he just plain ol didn’t believe in it. That was it. And this one time he headed on up the ol Sup Forums, the Sup Forums board Sup Forums, gone on up with a bunch of Anonymous memer buddies of his. Pretty routine, you know, done like a hundred times before, shoulda been a three day banepost. But on the second day, well it all went fucked. Somehow, at night, he managed to lose his doritos, and to top it off, the mgsfags, they went and took the memes. So he was starving, he was delirious, and he crawls up in this... thread, like this group of dubs out there in the middle of nowhere sticking up in this ocean of shitposts. And he found religion. In that moment, he told me, he found Kek. And it turns out, that Kek, he’s a Quietpost. Yeah, big ol meaty one. "I found Kek," he used to say. "While I was sitting there basking in the sublimity of mercy, I right-clicked and saved that son of a bitch."

and thousands of faggots will sing the praises of FFXV

Dosent make either a good game

>mfw Chaos Theory is still the best stealth game

GZ came so close to dethroning it. Damn.

>MGSV gives the audience a different kind of game from what they want
In the sense that we wanted a good game and got garbage, yeah.
The fact that it was an open world game wasn't kept secret, the fact that you don't play as Big Boss wasn't kept secret. The only surprises were that it was a really bad open world game and the story doesn't do anything BEYOND revealing that you're not Big Boss.
Don't fucking compare it to MGS2. The Raiden twist was dropped 2 hours in and used as the basis for the whole story, the Venom Snake twist comes 80 hours in after you've finished everything and the game is already over.

I dunno about that, a lot of it was just time constraints

Skullface was suppose to be a boss too

>tfw you've been trying for weeks to hack into the game and unlock additional modding capabilities
>tfw you have plenty dreams, plenty things you'd love to add, plenty ways you could fix the game, but you just can't
>tfw it'd take Konamipro literally half an hour to package the game's editor and leak it on the internet

Who cares, this is Sup Forums, people will automatically start praising TPP when DS comes out.
Sup Forums has, and will never have, anything of value to say about anything.

It's simple, really. As with any RPG, tabletop, electronic, or otherwise, the key to survival is allowing oneself to be shaped by the assigned environment. In doing so, a broad range of capabilities are acquired, allowing one to flip the script and use said capabilities to shape said environment for maximum longevity.

TPP is an objectively better videogame than GZ.

I will post this in every one of these shitty threads until this stupid fucking meme dies.

>Straight up, you don't know this.

But there is no real room in the story for "finishing" other than mission 51.

Let's assume Chapter 2 gets Mission 51, a few new missions even, would it really change anything? Not really, the main story in Chapter 1 was finished. And outside of Mission 51, the story in Chapter 2 is finished.

When people talk about about the "real finished MGSV" they seem to imply somebody took a scissor and SNIPPEDY SNAP cut out major parts of the game all over the place, but this simply isn't the case outside the Eli arc, which we know the ending to. Mission 51 would have provided some more closure, but really, it would be pretty much the same game no matter how you try to spin it.

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No.

In the sense that you unironically thought Kojima can make good videogames when he has only done terrible movies.

Yes, faggot. Get the fuck over it. Quit being so god damned jaded.

It will die when Death Stranding comes out and Sup Forums needs to act as contrarian as possible.

GZ had a compact, well designed map and missions could be approached from several routes without too much monotony. Also, Skullface was much cooler because we didn't know much about him

Not even jaded. TPP is just poorly designed and anyone with half a brain and work out why.

It's cool if you like the game, but it's not "better" than fucking anything except maybe No Man's Sky.

>it leads nowhere
Yes it does. Venom's arc and Skullface's schemes are both brought to conclusion.
>it has no closure
For Eli, Sahelanthropus, and the strain this is true.
>it feels disconnected from the rest of the series
That's a feature, not a flaw. It's somewhat disconnected on purpose. It's a war between two phantoms.
>like Kaz which Code Talker tells you to be wary of
It's an odd line. Might just be some flavoring referring to Kaz's somewhat unstable disposition and nothing more. Who knows.
>Ocelot who plays NO FUCKING ROLE
He serves a role. It's just a bland one.
>the story doesn't do anything BEYOND revealing that you're not Big Boss.
It does. Whether or not it's good is up to you. But the story does explore its themes, and Venom's actual identity is significant to various things.

Sure, the game's story is something of a footnote in terms of the greater continuity, but that doesn't really matter.

Sometimes less is better, and I'll keep posting that in every one of those great threads until you get it.

Same thing with Assassin's Creed: the first game, despite its simplicity, is the true gem of the series, because the sequels failed to fix its flaws, and only added a ton of poorly design and pointless features to try to hide this big empty void.

Despite all its flaws, AC1 really is the best of the series.

And GZ is better than TPP.

>Battle Gear buddy was cut
>Island filled with traps was cut
>Slightly different version of Sahelanthropus fight was cut
>Cutscenes explaining what happened to Eli and Mantis were cut
>Adult Chico was cut
>All of Ground Zero's was cut out and sold separately
>Maps were watered down because of last gen limitations
Phantom Pain would still be pretty flawed, but only retards think the cut content wouldn't have changed anything

>you moron

My fault for trying to talk to a socially inept autist, my bad.

>retarded
>ugly
>freak of nature that is hated by everyone
>can't speak or you'll die or kill everyone around you
>can't eat or wear clothes
> forced to listen to the same 15 songs on loop
>rejected by the only man who can stand the sight of you, he also hates you
Being Quiet is suffering.

>well designed map
No, it didn't.

>Skullface was much cooler because
Because he was and edgelord.
The MGS fanbase always think anything being edgier makes it better.
Raiden and the pre-release MGSV hype are proof of this.

TPP still does literally everything better in every comparable way to GZ than GZ does itself.

Its cool if you like GZ, but its not fucking "Better" than TPP by a long shot.

I put more hours into NMS than GZ and I'm a hardcore MGS fan. It was a fucking tech demo, quit overglorifying it because you're butthurt you didn't get to go nuclear or whatever other petty gripe you have with the game. We're all upset about TPP, that doesn't mean GZ was any fucking better.

"Major, I'm burning up" was probably one of three good scenes in that entire game.

>Sup Forums now praises AC1 along with the paid demo
Is Sup Forums officially worse than neogaf?