Final Fantasy VII - Hojo

Daily reminder that Hojo did nothing wrong.

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>Let's take 1000 year old alien dna and inject it into ourselves
>Come Lucretia, let me impregnate you and inject our unborn baby with alien dna to see what happens
>Oh Vincent you discovered our plans! Well let me turn you into an immortal vampire, and lock you in our basement forever
>So boss there's no way Aerith will survive our experiments. So lets force her to fuck this lion dog thing I found in the woods, so we can harvest the children to experiment on

Did Hojo have a phd or was he just a guy with a lab coat?

yyyyyyyes.

>shes an ancient being, that dog cat is an anciet being
>im sure their DNA will mix well enough to successfully mate
>im a doctor, i should know!

Jesus Christ I love you for making this comparison. But Hojo was a fucking weirdo

>Let me upload my brain into the internet!

I barely even remember the plot of final fantasy VII

I don;t get why this guy still had a job. I can only guess he was fucking Rufus or something.

They really should explain what Red XIII actually is.

Basically a group of misfits fight evil capitalism but then get distracted by saving the world from a narcissistic super hobo and his alien mother.

You have to understand one critical fact about ShinRa: ShinRa doesn't give a single fuck. This is the company that is built on the foundation of using the souls of the dead to create electricity to make money.

His charisma was maxed out like nobodys business

>mfw seeing him on the beach

Well, having electricity is nice. Maybe we can learn a thing or two from ShinRa.

Based Hojo chilling in Costa de Sol.

I mean, I remember the general plot but not the details of who hojo is and why he may or may not have done nothing wrong

>Well Junon is almost finished. It's nice to have a port city where our air fleets can take off
>Yes but something's missing. I just don't know what
>What about a ridiculous, gigantic, city long, fuck off cannon?
>You're promoted

>Hey how come we these underwater bases and subs sir?
>Because Shinra wanted them made
>But why?
>...

Weren't they there to mine materia or some shit like that?

Pretty much Dr. Hojo and Dr. Gast were researchers who worked for Shinra. They both were studying past civilizations and the Ancients/ Cetra. The Cetra were people of the past who could commune with the planet and use the valuable Lifestream to their advantage and for a company that uses the Lifestream/ Mako to make money that's important, since they're searching for the Promised Land: a place with infinite Mako for use.

Gast and Hojo dug up what they thought was an Ancient in a giant cave in the North and began studying it. What they didn't know was that it wasn't an Ancient nor a human. It was a shapeshifting alien from outer space that came to eat the planet's Mako supply. Gast ended up finding and marrying the last Cetra and discovering the truth. He also had a daughter, Aeris. Hojo ended up fucking the love of Vincent's life to make a science baby with her. He discovered Gast was hiding an actual Ancient and had Gast shot and stole both his wife, his baby, and his research.

But you know, Hojo din du nuffin

He just wanted to see Aeris get fucked by a dog.
Truly a hero

If that's the reason then I may forgotten that.

Was Hojo the real central antagonist of the FF7 series?

Pretty much. The entire reason Sephiroth exists was because of Hojo's experiments with him.

>Dr. Gast
Please no shitty Crisis Core retcons

>literally cucked a man to death
Based Hojo

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No this isn't CC. You can find Gast's video in Icicle Town.

youtube.com/watch?v=J7sTNOTV-J8

It's one of the places that the huge materia is stored so they were probably mining that shit. It's also a reactor that provides the power of Junon.

He would have been more important if Square had actually made Cloud fake and not wussed out.

Holy shit, how am I just now finding this out.

Is Gast also the fat fuck in Crisis Core that Cloud fails to subdue despite actually being physically strong enough to lift up the buster sword?

I assure you, plenty of people with PhDs are just weirdos with lab coats at the end of the day.

This is part of the reason Sephiroth goes mad, because he was given wrong information. He was under the impression that he was a Cetra science experiment and his "mother" was a Cetra that was betrayed by the evil humans. He, and everyone else, would find out later that Jenova wasn't a Cetra at all. She was just an alien that could shapeshift and killed off all the Cetra. And because she doesn't belong to the planet she she doesn't diffuse into the Lifestream like everything else so she could only be imprisoned, not truly killed.

When Sephiroth actually does find out he goes off the deep end and decides to inherit his "mother's" legacy. Which is he's going to crash a giant meteor into the planet and when the Lifestream goes there to heal the damage he's going to be there to absorb it all and turn himself into the planet's god.

That's Hollidan(Fuck trying to spell his name right you know who I mean)

No, that's Hollander I think?

this makes a lot more sense now

Did he fug Lucrecia or however it's spelled or just get her to do a science thing?

You're probably one of those lucky people that dodged Elena's punch the first time.

I knew most of that just not to that extent, I honestly though Gast was just a shitty Crisis Core retcon. Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with Genesis.

Oh yeah.

>Holy shit, how am I just now finding this out.

There's like a few hidden cutscenes that completely explain huge very important parts of the plot. Dr. Gast's videos for one, and the scene in the Neibelheim mansion. THey're very easy to miss.

He fucked her. Got her pregnant and put Jenova inside her. When Vincent found out and he confronted Hojo he had him experimented on until he became a shapeshifting monster. Lucretia was wracked with regret and spent the remainder of her days isolated in a cave

Yes.

Reminder that bitches be all up on Hojo.

Yeah I remember getting the hidden scene with Lucretia and Vincent but legit did not know that Dr. Gast was mentioned in VII.

I hope XV has shit like this.

Did she accept the fug for science or just to fug?

>put Jenova inside her
I'm cracking up here because the way this is worded it makes it sound as though Hojo literally inserted all of Jenova into her.

I honestly can't remember. I'd have to watch the scene again. But I do know she turned Vincent away even after Vincent professed his love for her

Lucrecia is another one. II'm trying to remember if there are any others.

>I hope XV has shit like this.

X is even worse. There's a guy in one area who just explains the entire backstory and fills all the holes in the story. It's just huge info dumps.

What the fuck was wrong with Lucretia?

Reminder that Hojo cucked Vincent

She's a woman.

>God dammit open your legs more woman! I can't get the shoulders in!

Reminder that Vincent's entire character is defined by the fact that he got NTR'd.

>This would be so much easier if we just chopped the head off or something!

>Headless Jenova in the tower

This is now canon

Why can't new FF have goofy shit like this?

Yeah X was pretty bad though, I just really like when tertiary information can be found naturally like in VII. I can't think of any recent games that have stuff like this that isn't some sort of shoehorned journal or voice log that is conveniently placed right in front of you like in BioShock.

Because the franchise died after IX.

>I can't think of any recent games that have stuff like this that isn't some sort of shoehorned journal or voice log that is conveniently placed right in front of you like in BioShock.

I'm getting sick of those. Why is there some audio log in a hallway? Why is it ONLY that one audio log and not the rest? Who took this guy's audio journal and then threw them all over the place?

Pretty much. I do like how it's done though. Sure he's obsessed with being jilted, but he pretty much never brings it up himself. For most of the game, Vincent is this really big mystery and all you know is that he worked for the Turks. You're thinking, "How did a suit-wearing thug end up being an edgey vampire guy?" Rather than have Vincent spill his guts to you and get emotional, he maintains that calm and aloof manner unless you go out of your way to find out about his past and the stuff with Hojo.

Should have been the main villain.

It's a little thing but I love how if you take Vincent with you on the second tower raid he'll use the opportunity to settle the score with Hojo once and for all

Yeah it's so fucking shoehorned that it's almost comical.
>1500 year old civilization
>Perfectly preserved writings
>Sitting perfectly on a table amidst a bunch of ruins

>Everyone in the city made their own audio logs and recorded everything they did

Convenient isn't it?

That's about par for the course.

Are you gonna tell him no?

Same. I have a hard time picking the third person that gets to fuck up Hojo, but I always pick Vincent for that reason.

It would be cool if they gave you the option to just use Vincent like how in iv they give you the option to just use Edge against Rubicante

This does raise the question of how Shinra employees feel about this. Like if you look around the Shinra tower you can see that a lot of the guys who work there pretty much live there. I wonder what they thing when their President orders them to drop an entire section of the city to kill like 6 people.

>The plan was to drop the plate to kill all AVALANCHE members and make the taxpayers pay for the damages
>Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie all died trying to stop the bomb from being installed
>Barrett, Cloud, and Tifa escape the plate being dropped
>Dropping the plate killed 0 AVALANCHE members

Why not just deploy SOLDIER if the threat was that bad?

Most of them are most likely not aware of all the shady bullshit that happens behind the scenes, which is even more apparent when you play through Crisis Core.

>I wonder what they thing when their President orders them to drop an entire section of the city to kill like 6 people.

Who says they knew? The cover story was that it was AVALANCE that did it. The only people who were in on it were the top execs and The Turks.

Who by the way, go from scary serious but slick killers in the beginning, to goofball comedy heroes in the span of one game. Never do they apologize for killing Biggs or Jesse. Never apologize for dropping the plate.

Remember, the dropping of the plate would have done huge damage to the people ON TOP as well. It'd be like a huge earthquake.

>Tifa I...there was a lot of things I wanted to tell you. But now that we're together I don't know what I wanted to say. I guess I haven't changed after all...kinda makes you wanna laugh

>Cloud...words aren't the only thing that tells people what you're thinking

>>Dropping the plate killed 0 AVALANCHE members

Biggs, Wedge, Jesse. Who were already dying/wounded with regular ground forces.

The Turks and department heads were really the only ones living on top of the plate that knew/believed ShinRa was responsible for dropping Sector 7. They pinned it on AVALANCHE. Most people on top of the plate lived in luxury and thought of ShinRa as their benefactor. Plenty of people even served in ShinRa's military during the war with Wutai, so it's basically like their actual government.

Also, they do end up deploying SOLDIER members right after that. You fight them in the tower and fuck them up easily. ShinRa probably figured that a direct conflict with AVALANCHE members would end in failure.

Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie, as you said, were already either dead or dying. The only other ground forces were Shinra's own personnel. The skirmish to actually get the bomb to the plate killed more AVALANCHE members than dropping the plate did.

the fuck?

first time ive played FF7 in 6 months and i see this thread

>just beat hojo

What's his name, Sup Forums?

>Yuffie
Excellent taste.

>Who by the way, go from scary serious but slick killers in the beginning, to goofball comedy heroes in the span of one game.
...Right, I keep forgetting the shit they did at the beginning. The Turks really are fantastic, I wonder how they'll handle the Reno fight in Remake, since he is the first human boss you take on. But he's not supposed to be particularly strong either, so they can't have him pulling some crazy Kingdom Hearts shit either.

>so they can't have him pulling some crazy Kingdom Hearts shit either
I'm willing to bet we see exactly that. After all, he's almost certainly going to be voiced by Quinton Flynn. Got it memorized?

SHWING

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What's kept me coming back to Sup Forums for more than a decade? The fucking excellent FF7 discussion threads. I was amazed like 6 years ago when Sup Forums was talking about Sephiroth and I learned so much from that thread I saved the fucking page so I could read it again later.

Why do they turn into jokes anyway?

Friendly reminder that she's Square's version of The Thing.

No matter how much you want to, don't try to fuck her.

I've done this. Except for Tifa. It didn't occur to me after 5 playthroughs that Tifa might actually be as fucked in the head as Cloud was

>I know I've actively lied to you this entire adventure but I just wanted to be close to you!

But she's a shapeshifter, she can be anything you want her to be

Why did Shinra employ lunatics again?

is this real?

This plot blows me away every time I see someone sum it up. It's so fucking good, and the coolest thing about it is you can play the game and miss probably all of this information because of how much you do and how much the characters go through during the game.

The point wasn't to just kill AVALANCHE. It destroyed their HQ, but most of all was they were wiping out a really poor area of Midgar and they were all set to blame AVALANCHE for the plate.

It's from Crisis Core

Lunatics have the best ideas. It was a lunatic that give Shine the glorious Proud Clod

OP here, did we just have synchronized autism?

Yes. They redid the Nibelheim flashback scene for Crisis Core, and Jenova looks like that.

I like how the Shinra theme plays in the fight.

I don't think it was on purpose. Still neat all the same.

There aren't thousands of outstanding citizens in Midgar. When a scientist like Hojo comes through you gotta take what you can get.

>redid
Retconned.
Reminder Tabata is behind Crisis Core.

>tfw always had the biggest crush on jessie
so did the sector 7 plate

>FF7
>Sephiroth is so ridiculously powerful that as soon as Zack goes in to stop him Sephiroth just throws his ass right back out

>CC
>Zack and Sephiroth have a multi-stage battle that lasts for like 20 minutes to illustrate the same point

One of the few things whitewashed for the compilation that somehow became more disgusting instead of less.

FUCK YOU