SSJR DLC for Xenoverse 2 when?

SSJR DLC for Xenoverse 2 when?

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Trunk's entire story ended in failure. Everything he did from the beginning was pointless and actually resulted in a worse fate than the Androids could ever cause on his timeline. He failed to protect the future. Goku has singelhandedly ruined Trunk's entire life.

Yeah everyone knows that's why he was crying at the end of 67

>this anime thread will stay up but my vidya thread got deleted

Thanks mods! Doing a great job!

>butthurt his thread got deleted
>looks at picture assumes it's an anime thread
>actually a xenoverse 2 thread
eh oh el

That's only if you believe super is canon

If you get rid of super, everything trunks did went right since they ended up beating cell and saving the planet

the first post is literally about the anime you stupid retard

T_T

One off topic reply doesn't make the thread off topic, though you're clearly not keen on discussing the OP so I figure you knew that already.

Whats the op about?

>implying the first post defines the thread and not the OP
It's okay we were all new at some point

member when instead of increasing the number of super sayian transformations and stages they just increased the multiplier on Kaioken

>his crappy thread got BLACKED

kek we're seriously going to pretend like this thread won't devolve into DBS discussion

okay Sup Forums

Any chance of them ever buffing Hit's ultimate so it isn't complete dogshit?

bump

>More Super Saiyan transformations

You mean you just want Saiyans to become unbalanced?

They're both just numbered increments.
On a Xenoverse related point, is XV3 gonna have better Buu transformations?

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Trunks and Mai lives in the timeline with another Trunks that has not suffered the Black storyline.
This Trunks eventually leaves to be a member of Time Patrol.

>He realised his loli wife wasn't an eternal loli
>He traded Mai for Kai
Fucking Trunks, am I right?

What is Sup Forums's honest opinion on Black and his arc?
youtube.com/watch?v=X2jbWmGxQ54

Missed potential: The arc.
I loved the beginning of the ark, the middle was pretty sweet too. The end was just so dissapointing though

>I spend five hours trying to get sauzer blade
I thought the drop rates were improved

>anons filthy NINGEN thread got blacked

Cell wouldn't have been on that timeline yet if it wasn't for Trunks.

I liked that it had a bad end and i liked how weird and fucked up it was when compared to other DB arcs, i mean shit, Zamasu turns into the universe and nukes all mortals? What the fuck even happened?

Also Black might be my favorite villain now in DB, maybe Frieza is still better but Black was more fun.

>Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku
>another Hit variation
>Cabba
>Frost

Are you ready for based DLC next month?

really thinking about picking this up
how is it as a single player game?

It's ok, you should pirate it and buy Xenoverse 3 instead though.

How did goku black go from the present to the trunks future if that is not the future of the present timeline?

The only reason goku and vegeta and the rest were able to go back to trunk's future was because they were using his time machine to return to his future.

it definitely changed my opinion of super. until this arc, the only fight worth watching was goku vs hit and the two movies

>Black might be my favorite villain now in DB, maybe Frieza is still better but Black was more fun.
I can agree with that, everytime he was on screen you know you would be entertained or hyper there was never a moment where he was boring or didn't deliver.

I actually like that ending since it was weird, dark and different from the usual endings in dragonball, but I can see why someone wouldn't like it.

The green time rings allow Kaios to go to other timelines, we're never actually shown him using it but it's the only possible explanation.

Still blows my mind that dragonball gt is actually better, with better animations and fights and humor like the old dragonball and adventure and wonder lol how is fanfic level of (omg ssj but blue and now red!!) canon but the better gt is not lel

It's dangerous to go alone, take this

confusing to moronic
Trunks travels through time and universes?
What the fuck is that.
And I guess I missed the part where Goku pretty much met God because that ending was horseshit

This makes sense.
This does not.
The timeline where beerus doesn't kill zamas never happened

wat

i couldn't stand GT personally

I think super and GT are both equally kinda shit

GT had an actual animation budget. super doesn't really have anything going for it, it's just "eh" all around

>Trunks travels through time and universes?
He did that and it was established he did that since the cell saga user, try to keep up.

>The timeline where beerus doesn't kill zamas never happened

I guess you missed the part where Whis told Beerus that he created a new timeline himself because he killed present zamasu.

Whis is the one who rewound time for that to happen.
Not beerus.

It was 9/10 before that ending. Now it's a 6/10. I dont understand how they fucked up EP 67. EP 66 set up a good ending and they gave a middle finger to everyone who liked Trunks

>it was established he did that since the cell saga
Guess I gotta rewatch that, because I thought that was just time travel, not universes.

Explain the history of the timeline in which beerus does not kill zamasu.
Because if it's identical up to the point where beerus kills zamasu, and, it is, then the only explanation for beerus not killing zamasu is plot hole.

Merged zamasu DLC when?
I want to smite the filthy ningen
and learn his attacks

Rewinding time doesn't create alternate timelines, it's like the silver time ring, except instead of going to the future you go to the past.

Beerus killing Zamasu wasn't supposed to create another timeline either because of his "hakai" power, which is why he told Trunks that everything would be fine in the future.

The reason it created a new timeline and the reason the future wasn't fine, was because Black was wearing his time ring and that protected him from beerus's hakai.

The only difference is that in one timeline Zamasu killed Goku in the future, and in the new one he didn't because Beerus killed him.

No whenever someone time travels back in time they just create a new timeline.
If he was actually time traveling then that version of Trunks and his Future shouldn't exist anymore.

That's how it works with the time machine, that's not how it works with the silver time rings or the angel's rewind time bullshit hack.

>dragonball gt is actually better, with better animations and fights

But some episodes in the Trunks arc looked amazing.

>Rewinding time doesn't create alternate timelines
But there is an alternate timeline all the same.

>The only difference is that in one timeline Zamasu killed Goku in the future,
Present, actually. Goku being killed can't happen in the future because goku got heart disease'd.

When zamasu kills goku, it's in the 'present' timeline. in that timeline, everything's the same. Including their knowledge of zamasu's plan. Including KNOWING AND SEEING ZAMASU KILL GOWASU

The only reason this shit can work is a plot hole.

Universe Zamasu DLC when

>The only difference is that in one timeline Zamasu killed Goku in the future, and in the new one he didn't because Beerus killed him.
Then why didn't they kill zamasu in that timeline?

The point at which this timeline "splits" is when whis rewinds time. Now, imagine a future where whis doesn't rewind time.

They still witness gowasu's death. They still know of his plan. They in fact have confirmed it.

Why does that alternate timeline play out as anything but everyone just somehow forgetting everything that happened up to that moment?

That was explained by that by wearing a time ring you are protected from being erased or killed in the past.
So if you went to the future using a time ring and someone kills in the present before you went to the future, it would just create a timeline where you were killed instead of you just being erased from existance, because the time ring protects you from casualty.

>casualty
I assume you mean causality.

So I want you to imagine the time line where zamasu wasn't killed.

Just for a moment. Explain for what reason and why they didn't kill him after witnessing him kill gowasu and knowing his plan.

The reason you don't understand what's happening is because you are missing the fact that there's different forms of time travel now, the time rings and whis's time reversal do not create split timelines, in the case of the time ring, you are just using them to either go to the future, or go to another timeline, and in the case of whis's time reversal, it doesn't let you travel to the past, it literally rewinds time. Literally. When Whis took Goku back in time to kill Frieza he didn't create a split timeline where Frieza blew up Earth, that just never happened because he rewinds time and stopped him before he could do it.

So then there is no "timeline" where zamasu wasn't killed.

There is, that is the timeline where Black is from.
That timeline was created when Beerus killed Zamasu, but due to the protection of the ring of time instead of Black being erased from existance it just creates a timeline where he wasn't killed.

There is, but it's not Whis's fault, it's a combination of freak accidents.

But it's simple to understand, basically, if Black wasn't wearing the time ring, there wouldn't be a timeline where he wasn't killed. Because Beerus's destruction power was supposed to kill him everywhere in every time in every place, but the time ring protected him from being killed due to his past self dying, and THAT created a split timeline.

Whis DOES create a new timeline though, he travels to the past of Future Trunk's timeline to warn Future Beerus about Zamasu, and that creates a new Future Trunks timeline where Zamasu and Black never happened, and that's where Trunks and Mai go at the end.

It is very convoluted, but it makes sense. EXCEPT for one thing, the reason Goku fights Zamasu is because Black is fucking things up on the future, and he is doing that because goku fought him in the past, due to the way time works in Dragonball this doesn't make sense and that IS a plot hole.

That is however fixed in the manga where Zamasu learns of Goku through godtube, not through fighting him.

>There is, that is the timeline where Black is from.
In the timeline where black is from, he doesn't obtain the time ring the moment he kills gowasu. He doesn't obtain it before. He obtains it after.

So he can't be protected from being erased during a time when he doesn't have it, correct?

Which is, AFTER he is killed.

Shit doesn't make sense.

>implying you wouldn't do the same
>implying everyone here wouldn't do the same

This might sound very confusing because the moment i thought it in my head i realized it sounds retarded, but it's actually how it works.

Black has the time ring, because the Future already happened. I think it's easier to understand if we assume that once he has the time ring he exists outside of time.

The future exists and moves concurrently with the present and the past, which is why when Goku and Vegeta run away from Black and leave Trunks to fight him, they can't go back to the very instant after they left, that would create a split timeline.

>the reason Goku fights Zamasu is because Black is fucking things up on the future, and he is doing that because goku fought him in the past, due to the way time works in Dragonball this doesn't make sense and that IS a plot hole.

This bothers me too.
So goku goes to find and meet zamasu who he's never met. Because he fought black. Who became black because he fought goku.

The future can't cause events to happen in the past; this is what's known as a causality loop.

Goku can't go do something for a reason that hasn't happened yet. But they add the time rings to try and patch over these issues.

It's simply a mistake from the anime, can't be helped.

>Vegeta didn't get to meet future Bulma and watch her die to Black
>Everything interesting about Black was ruined the moment they revealed his identity
>Vegito jobbed
>Future Trunks is now the biggest Mary Sue in the entire series
>Ending made almost everything they did completely pointless
Even GT and it's magic monkey pants was less insulting then this dogshit

>the time ring he exists outside of time.
This pretty much, but also whenever you kill him in the past you just create a new time line where he died instead of being erased from existance.

>The future exists and moves concurrently with the present and the past
Except that isn't how time works, and they even mention at the end in 67 that they want to send mai and trunks back before zamasu appears.

I was thinking of picking up Xenoverse at some point, does it still have the bullshit RNG for moves/transformations like the first one?

They do mention godtube in the anime.

That is exactly how it works.

>and they even mention at the end in 67 that they want to send mai and trunks back before zamasu appears.

Yes, and it creates a split timeline, which is why Beerus got mad at Whis and then Whis tells him that he shouldn't get mad when he himself created a split timeline.

And if you notice they used the time machine to go to the past and create that timeline.

>Cell wouldn't have been on that timeline yet if it wasn't for Trunks
Cell exists in all timelines Dr. Gero existed in.
Cell always goes back in time from a future where Trunks has somehow defeated the Androids.
Future Trunks only waited for the Cell in his timeline to activate and then killed him.
I guess you completely missed the timeskip that happened, Cell didn't appear the next day Trunks defeated the Androids.

They do, but Zamasu looks it up AFTER he fights Goku in the present.

Yes but it's not as bad, i don't think any transformation is RNG anymore either, well, actually maybe Kaioken is still RNG, but i know potential unleashed, golden frieza and at least one of the Super Saiyan forms aren't rng.

8/10 before Black and Zamasu fused.
2/10 after Black and Zamasu fused.

>That is exactly how it works.
Then they wouldn't be able to go back to the future before zamasu appeared because the future is still happening.

>they CAN'T go back
obviously they can but don't.
Because it's important for the plot for them not to.

>Then they wouldn't be able to go back to the future before zamasu appeared because the future is still happening.

They can with the time machine, it's what Trunks did(unknowingly) during the Android saga, he went back to the past believing it was the past of his timeline to fix things, but unknowingly it create a split timeline. Now they know that's how it works, and they are using it to go to the past of Future Trunks's timeline to create a new split timeline with no Zamasu.

Temporal causality. Effects can precede the cause. A>B>C>A
Goku fights black
Goku fights zamasu
Zamasu turns into black to kill goku & ningers
Goku fights black

Fucking time how does it work, they should've asked Hit for help against Zamasu just to make everything worse.

Right, except, in a real world example:
"go back in time to kill person y."
"You can't kill them. Because they're dead. Because you killed them."
"so you don't kill them, because you can't."
"So they're not dead."
This is why time travel logic in fiction never makes sense. It defies all logic.

Zamasu meeting Beerus, Whis and Goku is Black's PAST.
Black isn't destroyed when Beerus destroys Zamasu because that event is a change in Black's PAST.
Black is protected from ALL alterations to HIS timeline while wearing the Time Ring.

Whis' time rewind didn't cause a new timeline to be born.
Beerus acting on information gathered from the future and preventing an event that happened in the future caused a new timeline to be born.

>in real world example

Time travel isn't real user.

Except the future hasn't happened yet.
Events in the future haven't happened and events in the past have.

I think that's why we're explaining trying to explain it in fiction always causes problems and leaps in logic and you have to suspend your disbelief.

I can suspend my disbelief for this.
Just don't tell me, "oh no, it actually makes sense-" When it doesn't.

Honestly, if you want a good example there's a couple episodes of voyager that help. Like when voyager becomes trapped in the event horizon of a black hole because they dropped out of warp to answer a distress call. It turned out to be their own distress call and they would've never gotten trapped if they never got trapped.

>Except the future hasn't happened yet.

Are you forgetting that we are in the past? The future is where Black is fucking shit up, it just so happens that it's also an alternate timeline and time there is moving at the same speed as it is in the present/past.

>There are people who pretend to like Zamasu.
>He is actually one of, if not the actual worst villain in Dragonball.
>He is completely insane. Not the good kind of insane, the "puckers lips and runs his finger up and down them going BURBLRBLURBURBLURBLR while his eyes spin around" insane.
>Is akin to an angry child having a tantrum because another child beat them in a game.
>Upon "death" he "becomes the universe" because, uhh, I dunno. Because we forgot to use the Zeno button?

>Except the future hasn't happened yet.
Relative to Goku and co. to Black the future has happened.
Goku and co.s present is Black's past.

>Zamasu turns into the universe and nukes all mortals? What the fuck even happened?
This ending was such a steaming pile of ass pull shit. Why didn't he just fucking do that in the first place? It just fucking happened suddenly for no reason.

>Trunks arc ends in Vegeta being stronger than Goku
>Ends in absolute failure on Trunks part, after all his bullshit powerups
>Goku's getting assassinated next arc
>Gohan with his hair uncucked, training with Piccolo

Best ending or BEST ending to an arc?

This requires suspension of disbelief and basic laws of physics to simple be ignored.

It happened because he is immortal but gained a mortal body because he fused with mortal black, Trunks destroyed his mortal body leaving his immortal soul and then he became the universe becaushauejadhauedhalsdasma;bnlnlblbrlbrlbrlbr

Never because it's the stupidest thing to have ever happened in the franchise. Stupider than the Para Para Brothers.

They're actually coming back in the next arc.

>voyager
Which again, defies logic because it's written to be entertaining, not true to how the natural laws are.
It's the same scenario. Saw that same episode.

Also, if memory serves, that was TNG. Or TNG did an episode identical to that.

Wow, really, time travel requires suspension of disbelief.
I would have never thought of that user.
Thank You for making my entire life better with this revelation.
Clearly, in the world of Dragon Ball
TIME TRAVEL WORKS AND HAS RULES THAT FOLLOW AN INTERNAL LOGIC IN RELATION TO SPLIT TIMELINES AND THE MULTIVERSE.

>internal logic
That is breaks several times.
In order for some facts to be accepted as true, others that are established have to be false.

That was Voyager, not TNG. I bet you are thinking of the episode of TNG where they get stuck in a time loop of colliding with another vessel which comes flying out of a time portal.

Zamasu didn't know what he was capable of. Black kept getting new powers.

Oh yes, that one.

Also:
>7 of 9 in high tier
Garbage list.
I hated voyager when it came out, and I hate it now.