Is this good?

Is this good?

it's damn great, especially if you're into slower paced RPGs.

I'm into fucking your mom.

p4 is better

The best. tfw you will never be a japanese high schooler dating everyone and everything

Probably one of my fav games of all time.

p3p's gameplay is vastly superior

eww... you got some terrible taste in women in that case.

I used to like it around 2009 when I was a teenager browsing Sup Forums and being le epic weeb. Now that I am an adult I cannot tolerate weebshit games.

Most overrated game ever made.

>whole game is running through ugly, empty random generated corridors
>"gameplay" requires selecting the enemy weakness like a 3 year old baby puzzle

Perhaps if you're a boring person who likes to turn off his brain this might interest you, but not for anyone else.

It's a good game on its own but taken in the context of SMT it completely killed the series.

Compared to Persona 4 not even close, you can't control party members which is completely retarded for a ps2 RPG, Tartarus gets really fucking old, once you max charm academics and courage (which i made the mistake of doing pretty early in the game) the months get really long and boring
Play Persona 4 instead if you haven't already

Oh i forgot one more thing, you can miss your attacks randomly for no fucking reason even i your condition is Great, yes just like Final Fantasy on the fucking NES
It's just a really archaic game

Ignore the persona 4 fags who can't deal with everyone not being directly controllable, its almost never a issue and ties in with the theme if the characters much better.

It has great character development, a decent story, good gameplay, and isn't a game where you, the protag, are the new coming of Jesus himself and everyone sucks your dick for it. If this sounds good, go for it, if not, go be a baby and play persona 4, where the difficulty is almost non existent, where everyone sucks your dick like its nobody's business and the story is plain fucking Scooby doo, who dun did it.

Can you tell 4 is a piece of hot trash yet.

>once you max charm academics and courage (which i made the mistake of doing pretty early in the game) the months get really long and boring
You use it for social links, obviously you ignored SL to grind these traits so why didn't you go back and finish them?

>Play Persona 4 instead if you haven't already
Lol

>Oh i forgot one more thing, you can miss your attacks randomly for no fucking reason even i your condition is Great, yes just like Final Fantasy on the fucking NES
It's just a really archaic game
Yeah, it's called chance. Have you ever, EVER played an RPG before?

>its almost never a issue
Your point is comletely retarded
Yes in most battles it's not an issue because i do everything myself, but then what's the point of having partners?
In boss battles the retarded AI becomes a problem and fucked me over multiple times
I will never understand you idiots who keep defending this shit when controllable partners are objectively better

You make me laugh.

Great reply user, i can totally take you seriously

No, controllable partners breaks Persona 4 so hard, it is easily the easiest persona game. If you had trouble with AI in any boss battle, you weren't setting tactics correctly.

Nothing about it is objectively better, Persona 4 is an easy as piss game with no fucking challenge to it and with a braindead amount of tactics, even by Persona standards.

Sorry I prioritize story, characters and atmosphere over gameplay in RPG's unless it is unplayable, so P3 seems like the better choice and old shitty gameplay like that isn't really a problem since I grew up with it in a lot of older RPG's.

2 = 5 > 3 = 4 ~ 1

No it's just you are saying gameplay > story in a JRPG of all things.

EP > IS > FES > 5 > 1 > 3 > Golden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

5 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 1

>IS that high
Come on user not even fans of P2 liked that game.

Persona 3 wasn't exactly hard either, it's just P4 with new characters. The only reason Yu is treated like the second coming of christ is because he's pretty much the one that made that shitty hick town interesting for the investigation team characters. Being like 150 floors into Tartarus, and only being in like fucking September is agony. Not that P4 is any better, since those Dungeons can drag on even longer with pointless backtracking or the need to grind because shit scales up too fast in a single dungeon.

Even if you're into slower RPG's, it's too slow. The characters that you interact with in both games aren't even that interesting, or fun because the characters are either unlikeable cunts or just plain boring archetypes of high schoolers. I absolutely love the music to death, and the Persona games I enjoy the most are the spin-offs because they have actually fun gameplay.

I don't understand how these RPG's can be anyone's "Best Favorite Game" considering the slog they are. Not that they're outright terrible, but they aren't exactly masterpieces in terms of story, and gameplay.

>Come on user not even fans of P2 liked that game.
It's consistently ranked one of the highest in franchise by most people, EP is actually the one that usual-

>5 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 1
Oh, you just have shit opinions, glad to see.

Very much so

Play it, you won't regret it

Never had anyone be retarded but aigis for spaming physical attacks and draining her health like mad, use tactics like everyone should instead of being such a pussy ass lil shit you can't deal with AI partners.

Look at that, persona 4 babies are retards who can't even use tactics and complain about almost non existing problems, who could have guessed the people who play the most mind numbingly easy game in the whole franchise, with a complete Mary sue of a character, can't even remotely deal with AI. Who could have guessed.

Go back to playing "I'll suck your dick senpai, friendship!". Margaret sucks ass compared to Elizabeth anyways.

Whoops I got EP and IS mixed up and user my tastes are fine since I have already beat P5 and it was really good. I would rank P2 over P3, but the horrible slow gameplay/encounter rate pulls in down.

Play it if you want mediocre combat combined with a shitty dating simulator.

Can't forget the horrid music

Then your post is still bad, I ranked EP that high because it easily has the more mature story, the gameplay is actually balanced well and you can't just go through the game with your starting personas, and Tatsuya is made into the GOTY protagonist by EP.

5's gameplay is pretty good, but you can't seriously defend the abortion of a story/twists and outright bland and boring party members (COUGH COUGH HARU COUGH COUGH YUSUKE) can you?

Yes. And don't listen to fags like these.

Still harder than p4 mate.

And no, p4 characters aren't even close to p3s. Sorry mate, but you don't have a bro like junpei, your support character is so bland in design and personality I just can't be assed to give a hoot about her, teddy is the most annoying lil shit I have ever seen, gay bitchboy is irrelevant, police officer is okay but just okay, totally not a slut with fans is the least interesting or appealing of them all.

Chie is literally a useless junpei, nobody grows at all, and everyone sucks your dick from day one. In p3, everyone starts off as a stranger, just in a common goal, overcomes real fuckig grief, grows as people, and as they spend the year together, learn to be friends and to be closer, forming bonds over the battles, common goals and time spent.

P4, you do 3 hangouts and you could fuck them all in their houses 3 times a day, they would die for you and you are a perfect lil shit. No, your characters suck ass.

I'm playing it right now for the first time, 4 days to go to January 31st (you'll get what that means if you end up playing the game)

Its a really weird experience and I wouldnt recommend this game to everyone.
I love the characters alot, there is amazing character development and the story is kind of good and leaves a lot to be seen from your own perspective.
The OST is really cool but small, I like how they change the OST a bit in the end and make you really appreciate things more.

The combat only got interesting when I got to Monad, the game is really boring and rather easy sometimes, but dont play in hard, its just more grind and not worth it.

As for the atmosphere and feeling, its like no other, this game is a masterpiece in delivering its message, you really feel like you are apart of the world, everything connects and makes sense, if you see things on a bigger scale you will realize how well done this aspect is executed.

I've cried, laughed, got bored, got excited, wanted to finish the game, and now I cant get myself to play those 4 days.

Its a weird experience, maybe I'll never play s omething like this game, sometimes I wish I hadnever played it others, I'm glad I was able to play this game, some messages this game has are VERY powerful and every human can relate.

As a game: 6/10
As an ''experience'': Cant give it value, +10/10

>I ranked EP that high because it easily has the more mature story
This is why people make fun of P2fags stop that shit becuase it makes you look like a fedora tipper.
Just becuase a game is more mature that does make it any better, but I will stand by the fact IS is great though.
For P5 I liked that gameplay a lot plus pretty much everything else was well done and better the other games for the most part. The characters were pretty damn good for the most minus a few stinkers, but nothing new in the Persona series. I thought the story was ok not as good as say FES or IS, but better the P4 and P1's. Maybe I would not down P5 below P3 and IS, but I overall had fun with it.

>you can't control party members which is completely retarded for a ps2 RPG

This isn't even an issue, it helps with immersion and you can pretty much control them halfway through the game through the use of tactics. Git gud faggot.

>what is difficulty

Git. Gud.

>WHAT ARE TACTICS

GIT. GUD.

>Persona 3 is just Persona 4 with new characters

That's not how it works.

>Just becuase a game is more mature that does make it any better
It certainly bonds you to the characters more, makes you treat the story with actual respect, and gives the plot actual credence and lasting impact. IS is a great fucking game, but its gameplay, cast, and story all pale in comparison to EP. EP is everything a 'sequel' should be. It has nothing to do with being a fedora tipper, IS's story is pretty damn mature too.

>pretty much everything else was well done and better the other games for the most part
...Like?

>The characters were pretty damn good for the most minus a few stinkers, but nothing new in the Persona series
So this is a negative considering P2 has no stinkers in either game, right bud?

So just what the fuck do you have against EP's story?

I made the right choice to play Nocturne before any of the persona games.

Holy shit, I spent more time talking to people instead of playing the damn game.

Persona games would be better as Sims clones.

It's the only game I've played for 18 hours straight because of the incredible amount of enjoyment it gave me.

Not him, but it's literally the same mechanics and gameplay with yellow paint instead of blue.

Shit story
Shit characters
Shit gameplay
Shit art style
Shit music
Shit sequel known as The answer

Nah
Junpei existing makes your claim bullshit, if not also for akihiko, ken, aigis, chihiro, mitsuru and shinji
Nah
Fuck nah
Bait tier opinion
Alright, there you are right. Music in bit was still good though

>started with nocturne
>thinks his opinion matters
gave me a hearty kek mate

Not really.

The main character started the whole special snowflake bullshit, and he's way worse than P4's protagonist.

The pacing is pretry bad. Nothing interesting happens during te first half of the game. You don't even get to slink with your party members because you are not smart/charming enough, or because they don't have a slink.

The setting is pretty good until the toaster shows up. It wasn't that bad in the original, but FES gave her the most cliche slink ever.

Combat is pretty boring since you can only control one character and the tactics menu isn't that deep. You will only use it during some boss fights.

I dropped the game, because of the full moon shit. I needed to wait for 4 in-game weeks to proceed to a higher level in the the copy/paste dungeon.
Do Persona 4 have the same shit? Because Persona 3 is okay outside of this crap.

The older characters suck ass for sucking up to a kid and letting him lead the dungeon crawling for no reason other than to suck his dick.

Shinji is more of a tool than a actual character

I didn't finish P3 FES because I'm about 40 hours in and I've only killed like 3 of the monthly bosses. I stopped shortly after the love hotel. You might be right and it is better, but at the moment it just reminds me of P4, but with less quality of life shit and less dungeon variety.

That's kinda how it works desu. They might be different Visual Novels, but the SMT part of the Persona title is still pretty much the same. If I wanted a pure high school drama I'd play a VN.

Jesus christ, how many people in this thread just didn't fucking pay attention to the story? Shitposting while ignorant is still ignorant.

I know how to use tactics moron, it doesn't save it
Here's a situation, let's say the enemy has that refelcting shield thing going on that goes away after it's attacked once, instead of attacking it so that i can use my powerful moves on it, my precious partners will completely waste their turn and do fucking nothing, it's rage inducing
Is the boss doable? yes that's how i beat the game, but is this shit completely unecessary in an era when RPGs have done partners right for so many years, you bet your ass it is
>but it's difficult
Retarded is not difficult, retarded is just plain retarded

What story?
>climb this tower
>boss fight of the month
>muh chidorita/drug addict
>shiiiit, maybe we shouldn't have climbed this tower
>humanity is emo
>kill yourself to prove that humans don't want to kill themselves
>bandaid ending

Not even talking about your 'dude simplify the story so i don't have to actually analyze it' tier comment, I'm talking about the post claiming P3 started the special snowflake trend when it was all but disastrous in P3, and the post that completely didn't understand why the protagonist was made the field leader.

Considering Makoto actually demonstrated to be remarkably competent in the start and have ridiculous ammiunts if power, its not a stretch to have the guy who never used a persona and summon a gigantic sword wielding representation of death on his first run to lead the crew. And nobody sucks his dick, he is barely mentioned, he is just leading the team, nobody is treating him like senpai or anything, they do that with mitsuru and akihiko since they are older, not makoto.
Why would you attack a shield anyways, its illogical, use the turn to buff and heal, then attack next turn.

It makes perfect sense for AI to not hurt itself just for you to do damage. Its a shield, its a clear "do not attack time period", deal with AI being logical.

Why are you even responded to his very bad bait?
You should have known it was bait when he said it had shit tier music.

I love it to death. One of my favorite games ever

>I prioritize story, characters and atmosphere
Then why would you play P3? The writing is terrible.

It was an important game, but not a good one.

But MC did stat the whole special snowflake bullshit, and he sure was made leader for no good reason.
They barely knew the guy.

>It was an important game, but not a good one.
What did he mean by this?

2's writing [both of them] > 5 > 3's atmosphere and style > 4 > 3 > 2 [both of them] > 1

>Why would you attack a shield anyways, its illogical, use the turn to buff and heal, then attack next turn.
Dumbass, that isn't how it works. Reflect buffs don't dissipate until someone takes the bait.

>But MC did stat the whole special snowflake bullshit
Except when it was revealed what made him a special snowflake was now ending the world, and it was only because he had been the Fool for a while that he found the answer. Otherwise the team treats him as a normal dude, not the be all end all.
>and he sure was made leader for no good reason
>akihiko is wounded
>mitsuru is support
>junpei is an impulsive jealous asshole
>yukari is full of doubts
>mc is at least somewhat calm under pressure
>you can be the field leader, but you still defer to me
Hmm

It got a lot of people into RPGs, it had an influence on the genre, and it was fresh, but it wasn't good, just mediocre.

I think we (the people who actually played the game and analyzed it) can agree that the game's themes,story and characters are top notch for the most part.
This game's themes will still be relevant for years to come and the way the game uses its characters to give you different POV in life is really great.
I think we can all agree that the gameplay is mediocre, but Tartarus is also a metaphor for the game which in turn cripples the gameplay for story sake.

>Considering Makoto actually demonstrated to be remarkably competent in the start and have ridiculous ammiunts if power

Yes against a bunch of low leveled shadows, it's ridiculous they him lead still when they were going higher floors. The only reason he was allowe to lead before was because junpei and mitsuru were out of commission

Except it is good, and it's only shitposters like you who somehow claim it's mediocre. In many, many people's books it is one of the top tier games of urban fantasy.

Because most JRPGs are even worse.
Xenogears is critically acclaimed and it has more severe versions of the same problems.

So? Listen to Mitsuru and only have him take over if the link breaks, and remove him once akihiko is back. Being a leader is all about experience.

Sucking his dick doesn't make him a special snowflake, but being able to summon his persona for 'plot' reasons, use fusion spells, have his own arcana, being able to wield any weapon with ease, etc.... sure does.

played 100 hours and had a good time, then all of a sudden didn't want to play anymore. never finished it. so I guess it's pretty good but not amazing.

it's not an smt game though so how did it kill the series?

Persona summonin in p3 is based on stress mate, evokers do that, you can summon your persona without a evoker, why so you think revolver Jesus summons his when in massive knee dropping pain?

Gameplay, gameplay and gameplay.

Yes it's good.
Is it fun? Not really, it's kind of like doing homework.

>Anyone who disagrees with me is a shitposter.
Yeah, that's a valid stance.

It couldn't be that some people find the writing cliche-ridden and childish, the gameplay tedious, and the design non-existent.

No, it's just an epic shitpost.

Just because someone doesn't think it's good doesn't mean they're a shitposter by default. I think mediocre is the keyword there, because it is. It's not the worst RPG in the world, but the random generation, crappy enemy design, and borderline RNG "pick a card" game to get a persona you want gets old very quickly. Story is irrelevant if it's a pain in the ass or boring to play. That arguement could be made for every RPG, regardless of gameplay.

>Listen to Mitsuru and only have him take over if the link breaks, and remove him once akihiko is back. Being a leader is all about experience.
And if you paid attention to the story, you'd remember the part where Mitsuru and Akihiko mention they never actually ventured farther than one or two floors, so by the time Akihiko and Mitsuru come back Makoto actually does have more experience leading in Tartarus.
>but being able to summon his persona for 'plot' reasons
It was Death at that point, not Thanatos, and it just triggered his own awakening
>use fusion spells
>have his own arcana
All explained because of his pysche being messed up by death, and at worst definitely not ignored compared to why Yu is the fool for no reason. Nothing was ever stopping someone from being the fool arcana in persona games, you'd think when they constantly started repeating it was when it got bad, hmm?
>being able to wield any weapon with ease
Gameplay reason, and not a story problem, even then it's fixed in P3P.
Jesus Christ, stop embarrassing yourself.

Someone just up and saying it's not good without any specific instances, as this dude is doing and thus I'm not giving him the benefit of a response. He just's literally shitposting.
>Then why would you play P3? The writing is terrible.
>gives reasons why it's good, then says it's mediocre and thus it's only 'important' what ever that buzzword means

Yes

>Baby's first contemplation of oblivion
>Worth fucking anything.

Junpei and Fuuka are the only characters that even approach depth, mostly Junpei. The rest of the writing is absolutely juvenile and unimpressive. The gameplay is stronger than the story.

Even P3P's improvements don't help much. It's the biggest fucking slog of a game I've ever played.
>run through a million randomly-generated floors with precisely zero interesting features
>fight one or three recolored enemies with higher stats
>strategy always boils down to either exploiting weaknesses or using buffs
>repeat until you're told to stop and are allowed to go back to the VN stuff
It's rare that a game plays so badly that it has me actually craving the non-game parts and avoiding the gameplay as much as possible.

b-but it's really dark and grim which means the writing has to be good!
It made me feel mature and intelligent and it really resonates with my tortured soul...

You need to be 18 to post on Sup Forums.

So, what you're saying is you don't have an argument and you were proven wrong. Thanks.

Its still good on what it did, the intended audience is teenagers, most of those teenagers have obviously already contemplated those aspects but the game does it in a nice way, you expect it and know it but seeing everything come together is nice, the only problem is that it takes 100 hours.

Its not usually seen in JRPG, atleast Persona 3 did it somewhat good.

Junpei was great yeah.

>Compared to Persona 4 not even close, you can't control party members
why are P4babbies too retarded to use tactics?

Even deviantart OCs have 'explanations' behind their powers, but that doesn't make them less cringe worth it. 'Death' granting him powers is as cringy as it gets.
MC even took the whole velvet room for himself. But you will excuse it with >gameplay instead of admitting that MC is literally deviantart tier.

It was a fresh thing in a time when JRPGs were spinning in place and resonates with its target audience: you have to give it credit for that. But yes, the actual writing wasn't great.

>'Death' granting him powers is as cringy as it gets.
It's not actually death, and it didn't grant him the powers. You're just covering for not paying attention to the story by relentlessly shitposting.
>MC even took the whole velvet room for himself.
Already explained above in why he was the Fool, which is a double edged sword.
Are we just going to sit here arguing because you can't grasp the simplest of plots and keep stuttering and repeating yourself? You didn't even respond to the leader thing because you were proven utterly wrong.

I think p4 is overall a better paced and more well packaged game, but yeah everyone calling p3 unplayable due to not being able to control party members is fucking retarded. The game is balanced around that.
If anything you can break the game way too easily in p3p

See
I don't disagree at all and that's why I feel it's important. It just doesn't hold up on appraisal.

the dungeons are still copypaste and time-locked, but they aren't tartarus tier.

Read the thread, Persona 3 is fucking flawed, that's it. i'm done with this discussion
You can enjoy it, hell you can enjoy fucking anything, i don't give a shit, but trying to convince me that's it's somehow better designed that P4 just makes you look like a dumbass

>Persona 3 is fucking flawed
Most people agree with you, calling it an important game but not a good one is where this steeped into you guys being retarded. Of course you have to now back out like the faggot you are and basically say my opinion is right in the end. See ya.

what? he's right, you can have something important but not good.

You sound like a baby

Except no reasoning was given outside of token memewords and then I had to sit there and correct someone who just didn't even understand the story. That's not pointing out the game's flaws (of which there are some, as the people who talked about the level design and pacing did) that's you fundamentally not grasping what the game places in front of you.

Even then, the retards couldn't accept that pacing problems doesn't also mean that it's a bad game, and that how well designed Persona 3 vs 4 is is entirely up to what you're looking for, and thus calling a game important but not good as if you have authority, and saying that people that argue against Persona 4 being better designed are dumbasses, makes you look kind stupid.

Say it with me:
not
an
argument

Dude calm down, I agree that Persona 3 was pretty good on a lot of aspects see I'm just saying that something can be important without necessarily being good, I'm not talking about P3 now, I'm talking in general, P3 set the base for P4 and many modern JRPG but some have done it better.

Nothing is like P3 though and I think it is a very unique game.

P4 was a rushed copypasted shit that recycled everything from the success of P3. They removed cool stuff like the fatigue system and the persona special attacks and
then added casual shit like the ability to control party members WHILE STILL having the option to use tactics and also the shitty fox that would heal you so you could clear all everything in a single day without any effort.

Also let's not forget that NYX is the greatest boss of all time while P4's ending is just a lame shitfest.

Im looking for a jrpg with good turn based combat and interesting story/visuals on the psp. Someone please point me somewhere. I really like sci fi or slice of life, but not if its boring and slow like everyone purports p3p to be

Are you the original dude that even said Persona 3 isn't good, just important? I guess the point is I never took issue with that assertion, but no one managed to back it up and instead I got to sit here discussing simple shit that any retard could gleam just by paying attention.

I like it.
It's not good though, aside from aesthetics.

If I wanted a good PS2 RPG, I'd play Phantom Brave, Soul Nomad, etc. I'd never replay P3 because it's iconic and interesting, not challenging or engaging.

no I'm not.
I'm just saying that you guys started a weird argument without need.

>Nyx is the greatest boss of all time.
>"Persona 3 was my first RPG."

There is literally nothing special or unique about Nyx.