Americans as enemies

>go into MGSV thread
>talking about ground zeoes
>notice some anons talking about the setting
>"shooting american marines? Yeah nah, fuck you kojima."
>many suddenly agree

Do Americans really have an issue with ever being portrayed as the enemy? No one complained about all the other national enemies in MGS games before this.

Did they expect a japanese man to always potray americans as the heroes?

What are other anons take on this? Can you, as Americans not begin to relate to a game in which you might be the enemy?

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I honestly don't get the complaints over Ground Zeroes considering how much of a westaboo Kojima is otherwise. Seriously, what kind of nip makes tons of games centered around nothing but the USA?

>Do Americans really have an issue with ever being portrayed as the enemy?
They do. That's what a century of exceptionalism and "we're never wrong" does to your population.

Besides, marines aren't any better than actual infantry anyway. They're meatshields.

MW2 did it already, and it came out of nowhere.

America and American mentality has always been a pervasive force in MGS, most of the time as an antagonist too.
Camp Omega was intentionally controversial though.

Well consider that MGS is just an anime about American spies and military.

Residetn evil is all american to the point where they have never had japanese dubs for their own game.

Silent hill took it a step even further, it was supposed to be an American horror movie.

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I always loved how in America's Army 2, no matter which side you were put on, you were always the American and the enemy whatever country were the bad guys. Never fails to make me laugh when I think about it.

> Camp Omega was intentionally controversial though.

How so? People don't think such places exist?

Sounds a bit like saying "we don't talk about thst stuff we do okay?" If you ask me. Like that show, band of brothers where all the germans in the town near the concentration camp knew exactly what the fuck happened there.

It's funny how when other nations make media about their soldiers being the heroes, it's "le propaganda", but when americans do it, it's fine.

Spec Ops The Line was pretty damn good.

>They're meatshields
*Watery Meatshields

>Do Americans really have an issue with ever being portrayed as the enemy?

no because it's a game who cares

>Underfunded watery meatshields

Americans obviously

>who cares
The same people who took freedom fries seriously

>the game rewards you for not killing
>can't shoot m-muh marines!

it's just normal american faggotry
they're all self-centered retards

The game cares?

What's funny is that in the original plot of MGSV American was the main enemy.

Well i wish i had taken a screen shot because the guy who complained got like 8 replys agreeing it was bullshit.

Its like Resident Evil 5. A bunch of people got mad at capcom for putting a white man in an African setting and called them rascist.

The thing is though, Japan did not go to Africa, steal black people and make them their slaves. So a bunch of people from a country who historically DID do this complain that they ought to be sensitive to the fact that american ancestors actually did.

America is the real enemy in every MGS game, the patriots are as American as you can get

b-ig boss is an American!! h-he would never shoot his c-countrymen!!

Technically it is the 'main' enemy, because there's no point where it says Skullface stopped working for the USA, he just broke away from Zero.

right right, but making out living breathing american soldiers or cops is too much aparently.

The patriots is a machine (probably jap tech i might add) so its okay.

>in the original plot of MGSV
Does your dad work at Kojima? How do you know about the "original plot"?

Actually in Ground Zeroes initially there was supposed to be Game Over after killing American marine. I remember Kojima saying that, also there's a leftover code in Ground Zeroes.

I guess making a prologue into a standalone game made them scrap it, since what would be the reason for the weapons this way

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A lot of people here are terrified that if they do anything or even give a hint of disagreeing with the government or the status quo they will be labeled as unpatriotic. That is very common in the south and right leaning people. It's almost the opposite with left leaning peoples, like being patriotic is a bad thing. It's all just noise though considering how the minority is usually the most vocal. I don't think most people have a problem with it, if they're capable of any form of critical thinking at least.

>how so
Gitmo is probably the most infamous "prison" in the world, and the current administration has made it a point to close it, which didn't happen. Not only did CO work off if similarities, they actively performed torture and kept prisoners in squalid conditions, and executed them. All while being staffed by Marines and ran by the CIA. It's a direct shot at the US. I'm not saying it was a wrong choice but, throwing those things out in the open when your biggest market is America, tends to be seen in bad taste.

Luckily I think most people aren't idiots and it didn't cause a big incident outside of the news agencies (blogs) trying to shame Kojima.

americans are the enemy of the modern world

>Thinks I'm wrong
>This reply
>>>/reddit/

I dont really give a shit no.

I'm a Fucking US Marine and I had no problem killing Marines in this game or any game for that matter. And nobody I have met in the US Armed services has a problem with it either because it's a Fucking video game.

You guys must be hanging around some genuine pussies if they're that sensitive

Americans are the real terrorists.

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>Famitsu: "So, why do you think Mr Kojima used moby dick references in MGSV? "

>Kenji Yano: To tell the truth, Mr Kojima had already told me his ideas about MGSV in 2011. At that point, all the themes were already in his mind. Phantom Pain, vocal cord parasites, race and revenge, and of course, Moby Dick too. But at this point, Ishmael was Huey. Snake was Ahab and Diamond Dogs were fighting America. Huey was sided with America, and the story was supposed to be told from him, from America's view of justice.The reason the role of Ishmael changed from Huey to BIGBOSS will be revealed later.

We're never wrong so you aren't even making any sense.

Im a soldier and I have never seen an issue with fighting americans or america as the bad guy as long as it isnt super cartoony evil, even then it doesnt offend me, it just comes off as weak writing.
I think the issue is casuals cant seperate fiction from reality like always.
>btw i always chose NOD, USSR, GLA, and the Nazis in RTS games

>implying US Marines aren't the greatest fighting force in the world, and the only people comparible/better than them are Spec Ops which everyone always has to bring up because they're just that good

>gamepur

Poo in loo

>America's Army 2
>you were always the American
Who woulda thought you'd play americans in a game called america's army

What the story behind medal of honor getting banned on US military bases and "Taliban" being censored?

Were you in the service long enough to experience this minor controversy?

nobody ever complains when you kill americans in counter strike or cod

Yes because WE ARE NUMBER ONE STAY JELLY THIRD WORLDERS

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Nah, US marines are about on par with regular Yuro infantry

For example, Royal Marine Commandos are the most elite, non-SF force is the world.

There's no debate.

America represents Humanity, you dense fuck. Shooting other Americans isn't just unAmerican, it's inhuman.
The rest of the world, while slow to catch up to us, is at least quick on the fact that they're expendable.

nice facts faggot

wasnt big boss half jap or some shit, or was it Miller?

That's just translation, the source is Famitsu.
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I don't care in general, but show me one non-American media where Americans aren't the enemies.

Actually, show me one non-American media where Americans either aren't the enemies or are the enemies in a historically accurate scenario (for instance, exporting Native Americans to Oklahoma despite a supreme court ruling saying they can't, providing support to a repressive dictatorship due to cold war geopolitics, etc.).

Confirmed for not being an American, you don't know anything about how shit works here. Leftists and rightists both see themselves as patriotic even (and especially) when they challenge the sitting government. It's to the point where I'd say "complaining about the government" is viewed as a form of patriotism in this country. You express your faith in America by whining about the big bad government and then voting for someone who you hope will change it into what you want, then whining about them when they don't.

But anonymouse, the American government is this enemy.

t. American.

>All while being staffed by Marines and ran by the CIA. It's a direct shot at the US.

Thats what would be funny about it though.

>woah woah! You are taking a sucker punch at the US of A!!!

>are you saying bay is ok?

>n-no... But.... Stop hating on Americans OK?! Its our gubiment not us!!!

The mojoraty is not out in the streets about this.

To call it controversial for commenting on it is just a way to say to non-americans "hey! We don't talk about that. Neither should you. Shut up, ok?"

they both had jap blood

He was back in MGS1.

Hey Sup Forums, tell me a good game to shoot some americans.

Probably, this is Sup Forums sir.

so this is why big boss is shorter than venom?

Marines are nothing but mouthbreathing brutes who're trained to obey and kill, while being the first and biggest casualty in any modern conflict since they're sent in first as, surprise surprise, meatshields. Why do you think so many of them die every year? They appeal to the lowest common denominator in intellect and logic.

Congratulations, you fell for the propaganda.

>Commandos
>Not special ops
Yeah ok.
To be fair RMCs have longest basic training in the world and they are some high caliber dudes no denying that.
But you're still bringing in Spec Ops. And they do have SBS on top of that so for sure they're some badass motherfuckers.
But my original point still stands.

>be canadian
>literally the most irrelevant country

Probably.
Would also explain why he's so butthurt about nukes.

Americans think Metal Gear Solid is made for them.

The irony there is that they'll never properly appreciate MGSV's story because the whole part about what the English language does to other cultures flies completely over their heads.

Miller.

Solid Snake and Liquid Snake are also half jap because they used a Japanese woman's eggs.

Or some shit like that.

It's controversial because it's controversial IN America, the THIRD MOST POPULOUS COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and people with opinions on both sides DO talk about it.

>forgetting about that tiny island, the size of an American state called the UK that has both the royal marine cammandos AND the S.A.S. Fuck, even UK infantry is miles more efficient than U.S.

Go oorrah someplace else buddy.

>US Marines
>the greatest fighting force in the world
Yeah, brainwashed brick brains are great at taking bullets

Lmao you fell for the "big dumb grunt" myth that's been propagated since Vietnam. It's the 21st century buttercup, they don't want dipshits in the infantry anymore, especially when they have millions of dollars in equipment and training invested in them.
Plus Marines are shock troops. That's why they go in first to fuck the enemy up whole scale while Spec Ops can do small surgical strikes. And then finally big Army can come and secure the foothold the Marines established.

Get educated son B)

thats some hot opinions you got fucker

Poo in loo

Prove me wrong.

lmao even the majority of USA's special forces units are a joke, specially the Rangers and MARSOC.

Once again bringing in Spec Ops because they're the only people comparible to a standard US Marine.

Everybody here proving my point :)

Hooha! Good work marine! You've earned a badge.

So your only argument is an epic meme?

Yeah ok buddy ;)

How, when your country hasn't been involved in any armed conflicts since the Korean War?

You know what seperates the USA from the rest of the world user?

The rest of the world also have their own conflicts and issue with terrorism. The rest of the world has always had to deal with these problems.

The diffirence is, when it happens to the USA, your guys faces of disbelief and confusion as to how/why us, is an absolute picture.

Never Fucking reply to me again unless you're adding to the thread

>marines accept people without highschool diplomas
>marines accept ex convicts
>millions of dollars of equipment
>marines are still using tech from Vietnam
>meanwhile air force, navy, army all get new technology
>marines are sent in first

Topkek user... In a world of tomahawk missiles and jets/helicopters can take out enemies from 3 km away marines are clean up crews for the shit the air force didn't get...

I never buy it. This is what a complete half white/ half japanese looks like:

The Japanese always comes through strong. This girl is half white, but can you tell?

>STOLEN VALOUR
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>MY BUDDIES DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY!
americans cant handle the banter 2bh

>It's the 21st century buttercup, they don't want dipshits in the infantry anymore
That's why the marines exist.

Marines aren't part of the infantry, dumbass. They're subordinate to the navy.

>Marines are shock troops
A role which anybody with enough brains is not assigned to. Marines get the stupidest grunts, hype them up to do anything asked with "ur da best!" propaganda and sent to the meatgrinder before anyone else. They're also underfunded and have been living on the ropes since the cold war, goes to show how important they are.

Also, they're not comparable to Spec Ops in any way, you retard. If they encounter even the slightest hint of a fortification, they call in CAS or fire missions to do the job for them.

They don't gather intel, they don't deploy behind enemy lines, they don't sabotage and they don't capture HVTs. They're not spec ops, just grunts with explosives.

Go do your homework.

im american and ive been playing MG from the beginning. I understood what MGSV was talking about with what English does to other cultures and what Skull Face was doing. Go fuck yourself, the whole world isnt just what you see on ENGLISH speaking mongolian picture boards

I'm former CAF and no. Marines are loud, shit talking asshats who like to get screamed at 24/7. We canucks have shit gear (green cadpat in the desert), shit weapons (trained with a 1987 production C7A2, M16 to you murikans) but we have better results, less losses, better leaders and a more effective and cost 10000 times less.

Its actually government propaganda

See, during Nam' soldiers were painted as monsters killing innocent people and they largely were. None of that sitting behind a screen and watching a bomb drop stuff. No strategic areas to capture. It was literally kill every last gook in X zone.

When they came back from War, the public hated the, boo'd them, through shit at them and they were mentally damage enough from being mass murderers that they ended up causing problems. Murder, killing violent acts towards people

So now every soldier must be considered a hero. Society must love them and praise them. Thank them for their service. Every media source and outlet will fully encourage this and absolutely blast any nay sayers calling soldiers out

It's funny that you bring this up OP, because I've often thought about how it's kind of weird how oddly popular MGS is in European countries.

Then I realized that MGS is often pretty deglamorizing when it comes to war and patriotism, and I think this is something that kind of turns off a lot of Americans. While people outside of America think the themes of MGS are pretty refreshing.

>Americans shit up the whole world
>People hate america
>Terrorists target the US
>why did they hate us, we dindu nuffin

Americans are the niggers of the world.

>Why do they hate us?

The stupidest question ever asked post 9/11. The world always hated you Americans.

if only eurocucks were smart enough to work with russia instead of sucking US dick
then we would not have to deal with terrorism

Reminder: Delta Force almost get rekt by Italian policeman

>implying that isn't the ultimate banter

We would have to deal with fact that we would be years behind the world.

You have a lot of pretty girls called Katrina at least user!

>I understood what MGSV was talking about with what English does to other cultures
I never said you couldn't understand. I said you couldn't appreciate it, and you can't.

No surprise, america get their shit pushed by some farmers with AKs.

>the world.
yes because it's the US right now

nice facts you got there faggot. I wish this thread was gonna be about MGS but naw meme spouting faggots gotta fuck shit up again

it would be if he wasnt from the land that bans and calls shoelaces a "machinegun"

No one cares.

Call of Duty routinely has Americans as enemies whom you murder by the truckload.

It's just /vg/ being the retarded hugbox that it was meant to keep away from Sup Forums.

Good. Im glad. More people ought to bring ot to our attention.

It ought to be conterversial.

lol ok faggot, please tell me what else i cant appreciate. you are so full of yourself its pathetic

>shooting a gun in a metal gear game

Git gud scrubs