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This game is fun

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It would be okay if they sold it at half-price or even less given how unfinished it is. Combat is really crappy too.

I like it, but it's short and the ending a bit abrupt. Also, I didn't like anyone but Lantry.

I really liked Sirin, but the way the game is set up it feels like she's not even there most of the time. She barely ever takes part in conversations, and she doesn't get unique dialogue for whenever the main quest advances like the other companions.

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that they added her in last last minute, after most of the game was already finished.

Plus it's really shitty there's no quest to either remove/improve Barik's armor, or remove Sirin's helmet.

there's a lot of indications that the game is really unfinished. it's clear that they couldn't get everything done before the deadline so they just cut 15 bucks off the price tag as an apology for all the missing content.

game was still fun though. the writing was brety gud

What was up with Sirin showing up in Lethian's Crossing anyways? Is this ever explained in any dialogue? One moment she's shit-talking you while being on a leash by Voices of Nerat, the next she's forming a cult a day away. I get that the war between The Disfavored and the Scarlet Chorus got worse between the first two acts, but you'd expect her to explain how she escaped or whatever happened.

That's just another example of how flawed and inconsistent this game is. It really is a shame because all these writing nitpicks combined together made into an experience that was fun but had so much more potential with the concept and setting.

Tyranny or Pillars?

Oh sure, I thought the writing is good too. I just wished there was more of it. Sirin I feel was way more fleshed out if you took the Chorus path, but in the Disfavored one she doesn't really interact with you outside of when you specifically talk with her. She feels disconnected to the rest of the world, which is a shame because I felt she was a really interesting character.

didn't finish pillars

but did finish tyranny. tyranny was p gud. lantry was the best

one complaint i have is that i received a lot of two handed weapons, and heavy armor. but literally nobody on my team was built in any way to use either.

kinda pissed me off everytime i got fancy expensive shit in those categories.

The ending is too abrupt. I was thinking "Wow, this is where the real game starts!" and then I got the credits and it rolled me back to the main menu.

Otherwise it was definitely a fun game, but like Pillars it falls short on Act 3.

I think Pillars is considerably better. I enjoyed the writing and the presentation of it much more, the areas were bigger and more beautiful and I'm one of the contrarians that actually enjoyed Pillars of Eternity's combat system (certainly much more than Tyranny's cooldown-management), better companions and characters in general.

Tyranny is pretty alright too, though It's a bit of a shame that its main selling point of being reactive wasn't good enough for me. I wanted to play the simple character of someone that was a loyal and firm believer of Kyros and I found a huge disconnect in the answers I was provided. Pillars of Eternity had no such disconnect despite being more linear.

Funny you say that. My character was two handed and used heavy armor (even though it's objectively weaker than light armor) and I constantly kept changing shit around. The shit I didn't use at all were staffs and big throwing weapons, since I killed Eb and Lantry was better off with light weaponry.

Wonder if they're planning on finishing it up on an expansion, a full fledged sequel or if this is the last we'll ever see of this setting.

After playing 10 or so hours of Tyranny I went back to Pillars and am having a way better time

It's the opposite for me.

I went back to Pillars after finishing Tyranny and it just highlights how much worse the UI is in Pillars and it just grates on me.

Why not both? They offer different things.

If you want the "dickass in a shitheap world" experience, get Age of Decadence. Otherwise, get Pillars.

Pillars of Eternity has gotten so much better with the patches. It's honestly an easy 8/10 from 3.0 onwards.

You just know Paradox has them cooking up some dlc

I don't like how you can hire trainers on your Spire from factions that currently hate your guts.

I don't like the trainer mechanic at all. Forces you to swing back to the Spires just to make sure you're not wasting your training allotment per level.

Tyranny is what Pillars should have been. You can tell there's a lot of ideas here that very obviously got cut kind of short to make a budget or timeline. i.e. by the time you start getting artifacts and spire upgrades you're basically done with the game. Also the ending is not as much of an asspull as everyone was saying, it's foreshadowed by Sirin's dialog if you speak with her

Is it bad that I hope so? I want to conclude the story.

Yeah so far I'm enjoying it. The women can be a bit much sometimes, the evil ones typically suck. I understand they're trying to be all PC and include women in equal roles, but some of the women commanders just don't feel right. Characters like Sirin or Verse are alright, but some of the rest are just fucking stupid. Also hard to imagine an "evil" world without misogamy in it, not gonna lie. But I guess they did an ok job.

Combat isn't all that great and the more I play the more I don't feel like I'll be doing a second run anytime soon.

I heard you can improve Barik's armor with an upgraded Forge Spire.

I thought she skedaddled out of the Chorus camp in the confusion at the Well. Not only does she hate Nerat, he creeps her out too. Also, as Archon, she gets to do whatever the fuck she wants as long as it serves Nerat (her vassal lord at the time) and Kyros.

Can't she become a party member or did I misread something in a previous thread. I just finished act 1 and sided with Chorus despite actually wanting to side with the Disfavored but figured I'd do a full Disfavored playthrough... Someday.

Yeah, you can. It's a huge money sink, but then again, the economy of this game is easily broken if you're any good at the game. I'm at 13 iron rings with Barik almost fully upgraded a little over half way through.

Not that user, but HOW?!

I've gone multiple runs selling every little thing I can't use and taking bribes, and I still don't have enough to get the best items, let alone the good research stuff.

You can upgrade his armor, but it's divorced from the narrative. You make his armor better, but he never comments on it, and for all intents and purposes in the narrative it's still a giant shit heap that he's stuck inside.

Reminder that Bleden Mark route is the best route.
Its the only one that allows you to visit all locations and complete/unlock all edicts.
And you don't get the shitty feeling of being an errand boy with your allies doing nothing but sit on their asses.

Don't know what to tell you. Maybe me being in POTD is helping me out? I just sell every weapon and armor that is weaker and the billions of vendor trash you find if you have decent subterfuge (in the last category, the one with the dots)

You have to listen to Bleden Mark's terrible VA, though.

i dueled that bitch nigga into submission

is there a reason this game runs like shit? it was fine the first time i ran it and the next day the game runs like shit

That must be really unpleasant, having your armor reforged while you're wearing it.

Is PoE worth 17 bucks?

How can you even upgrade it with him on? Do they just bolt on layers of armor? I know it's slowly becoming much like cloth to him as the game progresses though.

I really love the whole renown adds magic to artifacts thing this game has going on.

My theory is that Barik is not even a person anymore. The ghost inside the shell is long dead and it's just an armor that is powered by the belief of the Disfavored like all the other magical artifacts

Of course, if true, then that would be fun to find out and explore in a personal quest.

>tfw major lag in places with lots of NPCs
Is it the game or my toaster?

>The ghost inside the shell is long dead

In an optional conversation Barik actually tells you he's worried he's actually dead inside the armor. He says he's worried because he stopped stenching and he's not feeling the weight of the armor anymore or something like that

I hate to say it, but works on my machine

I wouldn't be surprised if it's very poorly optimized for lower end PCs, though. It is Obsidian, after all.

Probably both. I get lags with lots of water and smoke effects.

I think so. If you're into isometric RPGs, then Pillars of Eternity is in my opinion the best modern one. If you're more into the Fallout kind of settings, you probably want to go get Underrail instead, though.

She can. She runs away to Lethian's Crossing at the very end of Act 1. You can go there as soon as you're in Act 2 but you need to pass through the bridge first.

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All beastmen are absolutely disgusting. Furry shit. Glad I sided with the Disfavored so I had full reasoning to wipe them all out.

What a degenerate Fatebinder you must roleplay as, user.

If I ever replay the game, that's probably the route I'm gonna go with.

Either that or I'm gonna side with the rebels. God knows I'm not gonna side with the Chorus faggots.

Yeah I noticed this too. Women were in power in a lot of major positions, I get what they're trying to do but it just felt kind of weird.

age of decadence is the best rpg in years and should be talked about more on here

It's a great CYOA book but everything else about it is subpar at best. I liked it enough that I don't regret buying it but it wouldn't even make the Top 5 modern RPGs I'd recommend to someone else.

tbqh I think Underrail is better, but I vastly preferred both to Tyranny. AoD is much better at delivering the experience Tyranny's trying to encapsulate, though.

Age of Decadence encourages min-maxing to get anywhere which is one of the worst possible things an RPG can do.

It basically writes the book on how quest and world interconnectivity should be done.
>world is littered with ancient places and forgotten items and artifacts of great power that can interact with one another
>if you explore far enough and you know what you're doing you can unlock these locations and artifacts, including a full suit of powered armor that starts like a dead hunk of iron from the sidequest you get it from but can be powered up by power cells you find scattered around the world, and an automated surgery theater that grants you rare status boosts.

That said, everything else about it is simply not very good, starting with the quest structure, which is horrible.

No it doesn't. You need some advanced knowledge to achieve the best possible outcome in most scenarios, but you can consistently complete the game with all but the worst builds. Combat builds require one primary offence skill, one primary defense skill, the right governing attributes, and one crafting skill. You can clear the arena with Crossbows and Alchemy alone.

specialisation, not min-maxing. hoarding skill-points and reloading to allocate on difficult checks is one of the game's flaws, but this philosophy is better than all the rpgs where character progression is just a series of level-ups till you're yet another god who can accomplish everything the game-world has to offer.

I mean it's one way to do it and I wouldn't call it a bad way necessarily but I'm sure it can be done better without feeling very hamfisted.

Tempted buy it over pirating but fuck man, I already pirated Tyranny might as well keep going. I love having all my shit on Steam though.

the dev's pretty cool. he's a long-time rpgcodex shitposter fallout fanboy, a total purist, so if you decide to pay for it, the money's gonna support his next elitist niche crpg.

Try the demo if you haven't. It contains the first third of the game.

Is there any indication he's working on something yet? Also been considering buying Underrail which I am leaning towards as I am fairly new to this genre before only beating FO1 once as I mentioned in this thread.

Oh wow, thats nice. Kind of deserves a buy just for that imo, if you like it ofcourse. It's great to pirate to test a game out but can be hard to delete it when you're already playing the full game. Although for some reason pirating games rarely feels good for, it always feels better to buy games I don't know why, capitalism is weird.

He's working on a "sequel" of sorts. It's basically a dungeon crawler set in the same universe with a more robust combat system. Which would be great, honestly, as the combat system is serviceable but kind of barebones.

Longterm, some kind of space game with a similar design philosophy.

Underrail is fucking fantastic but I've always felt AoD is more in line with the Fallout titles in terms of tone and gameplay. But, seriously, Underrail is great. It has a good stealth system, which is unheard of in a turn-based isometric cRPG.

>Is there any indication he's working on something yet?

rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/colony-ship-rpg-update-9-locations-overview.112062/

there's a few posts on that site. i wouldn't expect it any time soon though, these guys take a while.

Are you talking about Dungeon Rats? That game came out and it isn't very good.

Huh, completely missed it.

>It's a great CYOA book but everything else about it is subpar at best.
Utter nonsense.

The combat is quite well designed and actually involves a modicum of tactical depth which is rare for a single-character system. Not to mention that they managed to give the various melee weapons actually different properties so fighting with a spear is completely different from fighting with a sword or a dagger.
Not to mention that AoD has an actually branching plot which can play out very differently depending on who you side with. In terms of skill-checks in dialogue few games can compete and the experience you have with one build will vastly differ from your experience with another depending on your stats/skills.

>Top 5 modern RPGs
How about you name your top 5 modern RPGs so we can all have a good laugh?

Complete nonsense.

You actually become the most powerful and successful if you don't min/max. Hybrid characters will achieve much more than one-trick ponies. You'll have a significantly harder time in early combat encounters though if you don't know what you're doing.

>The combat is quite well designed
Stopped reading right there

What are you talking about? Dungeon Rats is great. I beat it multiple times already both with a party and solo and I had a lot more fun with it than with Tyranny.

Vince pls go

Did you just defend Age of Decadence's combat system?
Pfffffffhahahahahahahahah. Literally Fallout-tier.

Even Tyranny has better combat than AoD

Is the joke that you're false-flagging as a shill?

How about you tell me precisely how the combat is not well designed?

I'm always willing to put subhumans like yourself into their place.

I don't have a problem with the combat, you just sound like massive fucking shill.

>How about you name your top 5 modern RPGs so we can all have a good laugh?
How ironic this post ended up being. Seems like I'm not the one getting laughed at here, mate.

Do you think they actually have the money to pay people to shill the game on Sup Forums?

I just think that Age of Decadence is one of the best designed RPG of the last decade and I'm always eager to defend my position against inferiors on the internet.

If you can't argue in favour of your position - and you already backing down like a faggot "I don't actually have a problem" implies that - you have no place on Sup Forums in the first place.

I prefer it over Pillars so far. I like RPGs that are heavy on the roleplay.

>I'm always eager to defend my position against inferiors on the internet.

I'm still waiting for a response. Go tell me your top 5 modern RPGs. I'm always eager to know what kinds of people I'm arguing with. That you're a subhuman I can already tell, but I'd like to know what kind of subhuman you are.

You're also free to respond to assuming you can actually put your criticism into words.

So you mean that you don't actually have any arguments? Or are you just afraid of getting told on the internet?

I feel like they could have had their cake and eaten it too- the scarlet chorus and the tiers were perfect candidates for gender equality and I didn't think twice of it when I saw a woman in power in either of those factions. What really got me confused was why the disfavored had full gender equality. Theoretically, I think it's supposed to be the stereotypical 'fascist' choice- racist, elitist, disdainful for anyone who isn't one of them. Yet despite being far right wing in theory, their top military commander is a woman? I felt like the disfavored didn't have a lot of bite to them in general, like the liberal devs didn't want to actually write a bunch of fascists as fascists beyond occasionally having one spout off 'let's burn these southerners' every now and then, just to remind the player they're actually supposed to be bad guys.

Alright, AoD fanboy, settle down. How about you go make a thread about your shit game instead of derailing threads about RPGs that are actually worth a shit?

m8 I don't give a shit about the quality of Age of Decadence's combat. It's better than Fallout's and it's not RTwP garbage. But goddamn you getting so worked over it is fucking hilarious.

I've debated Age of Decadence being shit at anything that isn't its CYOA elements a dozen times before on Sup Forums, possibly with you already since you seem very hellbent on claiming every flaw Age of Decadence has is non-existent. I don't need to retread that old ground and even if I did, this is the wrong thread for that.

I played on 'hard' and it was stupidly easy

they should have put more warnings on that said if you had basic mental functions you should put it on very hard

Shut your aspie ass down and fuck off. This thread isn't about Age of Decadence.

I didn't start mentioning AoD I responded to others mentioning it. is the first post I made in this thread. And if you seriously believe that Tyranny was worth shit you must be out of your mind because the game was complete garbage.

>It's better than Fallout's and it's not RTwP garbage.
Not just that, I would argue that it has the best single character turn-based melee system. In the vast majority of other games, melee combat weapons actually feel rather same-ish. AoD manages to give them different properties that make combat encounters play out significantly differently depending on your weapon of choice.

It is now.

Go make a thread about AoD instead of derailing this one

You mean you got told by me in the past already?

>you seem very hellbent on claiming every flaw Age of Decadence has is non-existent.
That wasn't me then, because Age of Decadence has quite a few flaws. I would however argue that the flaws are systemic in nature and present in all RPGs to some extent. AoD brings them out due to taking things a step further in many regards. However, AoD is a great RPG despite those flaws and it was quite important for this game to be made since now people can attempt to find a solution to the problems of the genre that the game brought to daylight.

I'm feeling quite comfortable in here though and a comparative discussion that compares one title to another can actually be quite enlightening.

In any case, I find it interesting how nobody I addressed in could actually respond with a reasonable criticism.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're the same guy that is defending Age of Decadence's shit combat? Because that's literally all of Dungeon Rats.

The earliest encounters can actually be quite annoying - especially when playing on Path of the Damned. During the second act the game completely loses its difficulty though. The combat is quite shitty in general. For some reason they managed to make it worse than PoE.

huge junk of the game where the only mages are the casting bane

the unbroken and the bronze ass holes just get ground up like meat

Yes. Do you feel confident enough to actually tell me what you think is wrong with the combat system or are you unable to do that because you haven't actually given it a lot of thought and you just blurted it out due to getting frustrated with the difficulty level at some point?

Instead of naming the top 5 RPGs, which would take me a long time (especially if I tried to order them), I'm just gonna go through the list of modern RPGs on Steam that I played and list a few of the ones I enjoyed far more than Age of Decadence

>Divinity: Original Sin
>Expeditions: Conquistador
>Lords of Xulima
>Pillars of Eternity
>Serpent in the Staglands
>Shadowrun: Dragonfall
>Shadowrun: Hong Kong
>Tyranny
>Underrail
>Wasteland 2

I was too kind when I said it wouldn't belong in my Top 5. It most certainly doesn't belong near my Top 10 either. Still a game with its strengths, though. As I said before, I don't regret buying it.

the engine performs like shit

i mean my machine is up to the task but for the limited visual fidelity offered by the game, performance is very very poor

Path of the Damned is a bit challenging in the first Act, but past that it's fairly easy too., even with the level scaling. The A.I. is not too hard to outsmart.

yeah the first 2 boss fights actually were too hard, but then after that you can finish the game blindfolded

i enjoyed purging the beastmen

actually i had a pretty good time crushing the unworthy overall. and killing anyone who wouldn't kneel when asked (you made your choice eb)

>Instead of naming the top 5 RPGs, which would take me a long time (especially if I tried to order them)
Because so many RPGs were released in the recent years, right? No need to be afraid. What could I do except for calling your favourite games shit?

>It most certainly doesn't belong near my Top 10 either.
And I would argue it does.

What RPG actually manages to deliver a properly branching plot? What kind of RPG has a comparable amount of stat/skill checks to actually make the route through the game a fairly unique experience depending on your build? Not to mention the strengths of the combat system I've mentioned in .

I would argue that AoD embodies a lot of aspects that are important in RPGs and lots of RPGs would improve if they took a lesson or two from the game.

Tyranny for example - to get back on topic.