I wanna know why people say this is one of the best in the series. Literally weaker than Justice For All

I wanna know why people say this is one of the best in the series. Literally weaker than Justice For All.

How?

Waifu armpits.

6-2 is bland, twist in 6-3 is pulled off terribly and should have been used for something else cause it didnt work at all there, 6-4 is the worst case in the series

Because they're the same kind of people that liked DD. Both are the worst entries in the series, absolute shit, Athena is a goddamned mess.

I actually liked DD lol

3 > 1 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 6 > AA1

I can tell from this post you haven't played AA6 and you're being intentionally contrary.

6-4 is still better than 2-3

I played it on release in fucking Japanese (I speak the language), user. I warned you all about how terrible it was and you didn't listen to me.

How 6-3 should have went

>murderer should have been The Queen
>motive would be to kill the rebels of course
>Reveals how corrupt the government is and leads to the end of the DC act

I'm just about to start 6-5 so idk if that contradicts what I think should have been 6-3

That was the worst IMO until this, 2-3 at least had Phoenix. Athena is cute but she really isn't that great of a character, especially in 6.

I stayed out of Ace Attorney threads to avoid spoilers. I'm just genuinely shocked how poor it is compared to the others.

What is your problem with Athena exactly? SoJ makes it clear she's a character with flaws that needs to be worked on in future iterations as Blackquill showed to her.

No PLvsAA?

Not the same user, but she's just not interesting. She's not funny. She isn't cute. Her design isn't even good. She's a really mediocre main character, looks more like a side-character for just one case. It doesn't help that she was brought for DD, the return of Phoenix, and basically had the game all for herself (even in the cases you used Phoenix, they were mostly about Athena and her uninteresting backstory).

I don't dislike Athena like the other user, but she's just not as interesting as any of the other main heroes of the series.

Nah, PLvsAA and AAI2 I haven't played. I also don't really like PL/heard it was the worst AA game.

and what do you think is the best game in the series OP? T&T?

People who act like this either

A: Didn't play the game

B: Dickrides the DD hate to automatically assume SoJ has the same problems and pretends Athena is a problem

C: Doesn't like Apollo and the fact that this game focuses on him

>She isn't cute
please leave gaylord

yes, these are my rankings I don't know how anyone could say there is a better AA game than 3

A. I'm about to start the last case, and even if it's amazing, 2-4 (despite being probably the second best case in the series) doesn't save JFA from being one of the weaker entries.

B. I loved DD, so you're wrong.

C. Loved AA4 and Apollo as a character so also wrong.

people that say T&T is the best need to replay it

And what are your rankings? Nothing comes close to T&T

Is the DLC for SoJ even worth getting? I never even finished the DLC for DD.

It's a trio

T&T
AAI2
SoJ

Conveniently all 3 of the best games are conclusions to a trilogy

Wright's original conclusion
Edgeworth's conclusion
And Apollo's conclusion

Game is definitely weak. Better than DD but DD was awful so that's not much of a feat.

Writing focuses too much on the drama between the characters instead of the murder mysteries. Investigation takes a back seat again. There's no reason to be able to freely move between areas when all the dialog options are linear. You talk to one person at a time, are never required to look for evidence outside of areas you are locked in until you find everything, and there's no reason to present anything to anybody.

This series is becoming more and more of a linear VN, filled with anime-tier drama. I will say that the final case did start to get good with the whole defendant was actually dead the whole time twist, and it felt like something that would have been more appropriate than what they did in 3-5.

There's so little evidence actually pertaining to the murder in the final case and it all seems to be forgotten in the end. They didn't even have Apollo give a complete rundown of the events of the crime, which is always more climactic than yet another "finding a loophole in your immunity" finale. We did that with AAI. Did we need it again?

Also, I would have been less disappointed if they had just called it Apollo Justice. That's what it was. Bringing back Maya felt cheap.

Not him

But my personal problem with T&T is how much time is put into Maya's family the entire game

Case 3 is literally the only one without it

The best game is AAI2

Followed by T&T and/or SoJ depending on taste

AAI2 managed to open and close multiple plot points very well

T&T stuck too much with one plot only and too many random factors, like Godot suddenly showing up in case 5

I give bonus points for SoJ for doing characters returns better
Maya in SoJ is what Wright should've been in AJ
As well as the fact that you can come in to any case you want with no context and you wouldn't need to learn a million things first

>They didn't even have Apollo give a complete rundown of the events of the crime

I didn't even understand the final case by the end. I thought the queen had an alibi because she was channeling someone at 2pm, but then it turns out she wasn't because she can't channel, but didn't the murderer have to have the ability to channel?

>Followed by T&T and/or SoJ depending on taste
Depends if you have great or shit taste

I haven't played AAI2, what makes it so great?

Nothing. The AAI series is overrated as fuck. They're not bad, but nowhere as good as everyone says they are.

AAI2 > 6 > 3 = AA1 = 5 = 4 > 1 > 2

2 is the only one I would say is just "decent" rather than "really good" to "great" like I would the rest of the series. 1 was a perfect start but I don't see how people can rank it so high when it's so basic. Two of T&T's cases, 1 and 4, had no real mystery to them and were just fanservice / background for Dahlia. Godot wasn't really a challenge and unlike Klavier I didn't enjoy interacting with him either. While I love every game in the series (except 2), I think every one besides I2 and 6 had at least one flaw that dragged it down a bit in some way. I honestly don't know why 6 seems to be so polarizing.

>He didn't play PL vs AA

To much PL. Shit AA.

I think it's because there's a bias against the future series

I still remember the Gamexplain fiasco

The reviewer didn't like AAI6 because he hated AJ and every character about it and what do you know SoJ focuses on them

>cold-hearted prosecutor is actually protecting his imouto
>AGAIN

How can the AA B-Team be out of ideas after only 1 game?

That fucking game had the best "Announce the truth" and the best Pursuit but it's rarely Fucking used

3 Fucking times

Are you kidding me

>6
>Second highest
Opinion goes into le trash

Except that's not Sahmahdi at all

His entire gimmick is being a peace wanting fuck face from the very beginning who happens to be Apollo's step brother

Your only proving his point

Unless you have a needle up your ass, SoJ has many reasons to be on the top 3 atleast with the other series closures

SoJ doesn't waste a case on background info

All cases are independent

Case 4 paired Athena and Blackquil who are complete opposites and compliment each other on the same side

There's nothing wrong unless you want to judge the cases themselves

The cross examination music was comfy as fuck too.

Like I said, haven't played 6-5 yet, but 2-4 couldn't have JFA, even if 6-5 is as good as 2-4, it won't save SoJ.

Pairing Athena and Blackquill was great, but everything about it besides that is awful. The case is abysmal and just not fun or interesting.

DUDE TITS LMAO

Not him but it is a crossover. How exactly would you distribute the gameplay between both series, besides the way they did for both series?

Less PL. Better AA.

I explained my reasoning. Would you care to share yours or would you rather just keep shitposting?

YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP 6-4 IS PURE PUUUURRREEEE

AA was fine. God tier music, plenty of tension (the end of case 2 is the most brutal thing in either series) and plenty of memorable witnesses, not to mention BARNHAM who is at least high tier.

I did:

6-4 is the best filler case besides 5-DLC and perhaps 3-2, what the fuck are you on?

>6-5-A also involves arson and a paratrooper
>has no deeper meaning or anything to do with 6-5-B

Looks like more last minute cuts and revisions. This really was an Apollo Justice sequel.

The characters are fucking garbage,they're one dimensional and underdeveloped.

BARNHAM!
BARNHAM!
BARNHAM!

and no other deskbang has been as cool as Barnham's

Don't. They're just going to go back and claim that all AA characters are garbage and underdeveloped. When you run into plebs like this who sincerely enjoy nuvidya, the only way they can justify it is by trying to convince themselves that the series has always been garbage. The flaws you point out have always been present in their eyes.

I don't like these extended fantasy breakdowns.

Case 1 was okay at best, it dragged too long but the atmosphere for the first time in Khurain was really well done

Case 2 never fucking ends,there's a ruse every fucking corner

Case 3 made great use of Maya, thought route was great but Divination seanse was expected from the very beginning

Case 4 was fucking great, it's like an AA1 style case and I love it so Fucking much, it also gave you a nice break to remind you your playing an Ace Attorney game given the fuckfest that happens at the end of case 3

Case 5 was fucking baller
>DD's case 5 was split, goddamn it Capcom
>Okay, here's a case 5 that feels like 2 cases

Loved it and it caught me off guard that the entire case was Apollo only, Dragons never yield was Fucking great

My only problem was Apollo not getting a voice over for Dragons Never Yield

>6-2 is bland
how so?

>twist in 6-3 is pulled off terribly
how so?

>6-4 is the worst case in the series
But to elaborate, I enjoyed 6-4 for a number of reasons. Firstly, it had no investigation section at all, and while they aren't inherently bad, they are always weaker than the courtroom scenes. Second, it did a good job developing Athena a bit since she got none in DD. Third, having Blackquill in your corner was a unique experience and he had great chemistry with Athena as usual, plus Nahyuta. Fourth, the case itself was interesting enough, and Uendo's multiple personalities were able to carry it well so there was no need to have a bunch of witnesses for a such a small case.

You can say that about a lot of AA characters, a real lot. That doesn't make them inherently bad.

You're free to name off some well developed case-specific characters. Bonus points if their from filler cases.

>BARNHAM
I'm still pissed

And 6-DLC?

When you're right, you're right.

We've had this conversation before

It was very specific to not have anyone voice over the quote, that scene in particular needed to be quiet, I'm still sad about it

Doesn't he just fuck off in the final case and isn't heard from again?

>Barnham was GOAT, easily in the same tier as Blackquill and even Edgeworth
>final case rolls around
>He's replaced by Darklaw, who was like an even less interesting Ga'ran
>until Layton comes along with all the answers because Layton wankery but just strings you along like a parent would to their child to make them feel smart when they get the answer

Haven't played it yet

I was taking a break to play Pokémon Sun

I'm planning to go back, play the mini cases and then go for the full DLC

I'm really interested in seeing what the fuck this time traveling wife's boogaloo is

NO TRICKS
NO GIMMICKS

>isn't heard from again?
Kind of, he got NICE BOAT'd

Yeah I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking developing his character to that point and then just making him disappear.

Despite DD's flaws, Blackquil was really fucking good as a character

I don't know why

Probably because he doesn't switch personalities, he'a apparently always been a jaded Weaboo, the only difference is that he stopped talking to Athena casually

That's what he's pissed off about

He's an asshole, but not overly so like Godot or Franny. He's also challenging, unlike Klavier. Any prosecutor that wants to find the truth, rather than "win" for their own personal reasons like Franny, Godot, or Nahyuta are also a plus in my book.

Nothing is weaker than Justice for all

...

This is what this game deserves

Wright barely does anything

Apollo does more work

>Godot wasn't really a challenge and unlike Klavier I didn't enjoy interacting with him either.
Well, the intention was to have him hate your guts all the time, and unlike Manfred Von Karma, you had to deal with him more than once. Blackquill doesn't really give a fuck until the Space case, Edgeworth is actually a cool guy since the end of 1, Franziska is a watered down Manfred with boobs, so it eases the mood, and Klavier has this cool dude attitude that isn't as antagonistic as Edgeworth or Godot. Godot is loathsome, and he was designed to be that way - you're not supposed to like to interact with him.

Couldn't Godot have been written in a way in which he was still antagonistic to Phoenix and hated his guts, but the people playing the game would like him?

>Blackquil doesn't give a fuck

That's the point

It's not a grudge or annoyance

He's just doing his job

Also his reactions to things funny

>He actually responded to Jinxie nicely when she told him about The Tanooki keeping him awake

>He left the Fucking building when Hugh pulled the body double bullshit

It's possible to hate a character but still enjoy them. Godot was just a cock and dragged down the game.

Fuck no. The guy had a crush on Mia. He has more motives to hate your guts than reasons to thank you. He had to be overall unlikeable. The bad thing is that you had to tolerate him for more than one case.
I liked how Blackquill was written, though. Fucking loved the guy, except for his emo-dono design.

Rayfa was a cute
Blackquill was still based as fuck

Apollo's donut steel backstory is fucking stupid now
Nahyuta sucked
Chingchongistan was shit

How can a single post contain so much truth

It's the best because we're finally rid of Apollo, thank fuck. It was pretty bad up until that point.

I would agree if your talking about Dual destinies

His backstory wasn't the focus

It's how he reacted and acted upon it

>He has more motives to hate your guts than reasons to thank you

>got knocked into a coma by leaving his drink unattended with a murderous bitch who gave her ex-bf poison to waste himself with
>expected a guy who just became a lawyer the previous week to somehow defend Mia from the shady and dangerous corporation she was digging into
>doesn't give a fuck that he still solved the case and saved her sister
>still is more mad at him than the fucking guy who brained Mia with a lamp
>his professionalism shown with Mia went completely out the window and he just became a bitchy manchild throwing coffee tantrums

Fuck Godot, he's poorly written. Blase from AAI2 was also a piece of shit but he was a GOOD piece of shit.

>chingchongistan was shit

I agree, it needed more Apollo time, the mini case isn't enough

>Backstory was shit

I agree as well, but Apollo handheld it really well, much better than MUH BEST FRIEND AAAAAAAAAAAH

Not that those are objectively good reasons to hate you, mind you. If anything, one would expect him to be more grateful.
But you hit the nail on the head. A bitchy manchild - never got over his shit. Glad he died.

Objectively correct.

>original

Nah

even AJ is better than the first game

never post again

>tfw took too long to finish SOJ and now nobody wants to talk about it anymore

Twin twist was nice

Even better that it was the ruse twist

>still not understanding 6-4 was a practical joke by the Japanese team for the localization team

If theres legit proof for that I would appreciate 6-4 more

>ah yes rakugo, the most sacred of american traditions

I'm ok with Apollo now, sort of, as long as Phoenix is in the game 75% of the time.

Anime girl Athena can fuck off though.

Athena doesn't fit at all.

Too bad his character is lamed up by being an edgy samurai.

I still liked it whether it was or not

>He doesn't spend his weekends visiting the local rakugo theatre and stopping for soba afterwards

What kind of Americans do you call yourselves?

What the fuck is people's problem with Athena

This divide will never end

You either love or hate her