Overwatch Balancing

Reinhardt needs a HEAVY nerf, he's just way too OP as he is right now.

>Shields are big enough to cover the entire payload and the team, plus have huge amounts of HP. They protect everyone from almost everything, it makes shoot outs completely one sided because you can't even damage anyone
>Charge is basically a OHKO for anyone that isn't a tank. Even if you survive all he has to do is left click and you're dead. Not only that the range is absolutely massive, not only is it a cheap and easy kill move it covers way more ground than many other mobility moves
>Fire Strike does way too much damage for a single projectile that isn't an ultimate or charged up like Zarya's gun. Plus the range is way too long, it does splash damage and it's not thematically appropriate for a melee oriented character
>His ult is even more cancerous than Mei's since it's an instant knock down you can't escape, even if you're in the air. At least with Mei you have a window of escape before you're completely frozen, but with Reinhardt you never have a chance

So I think we can all agree Reinhardt is overpowered now. Here's what I suggest to make him fair and balanced.

>Reduce shield size and HP by 50%. This way he can't just sit there and take zero damage for the entire match, nor can the rest of the team. Increase shield recharge time by 100%, so you only bring out the shield when needed instead of just cruising on the payload with it up all the time. Either that or make the shield drain HP over time even when nothing is hitting it
>Charge now does 75HP damage, range is reduced by 50%. You still get good mileage out of it plus you can use it for chasing down weakened champions that are running away. It's not an instant kill combo like Roadhog's hook and shoot either
>Fire Strike should be replaced with something else. Maybe make Reinhardt's hammer swings his E and give him a normal punch melee attack?
>Otherwise, Fire Strike has 85% reduced range to make him more melee oriented. Also does 50% less damage and no burn/splash
>Ult no longer stuns, but does twice more damage to compensate.

Here's a thought - you're wrong, and nobody cares.

>SJW replies with transvestite character
Aw, still salty about Tracer's poses? :^)

hahahahahahahaha how the fuck is Reinhardt OP hahahaha nigga just go behind his shield like nigga play a tank haha

>Shields are big enough to cover the entire payload and the team
Shields can also be broken from shooting the fucking thing.
>Charge is basically a OHKO
It's also easy to sidestep unless you're point-blank, in which case you deserve it
>Fire Strike does way too much damage for a single projectile
It's his ONLY ranged move and has a 7 second cooldown you stupid ballfondler
>His ult is even more cancerous than Mei's since it's an instant knock down you can't escape
Getting stunned is the fucking least of your troubles when there's ults like Death Blossom, Self-Destruct and Tank to deal with, what the actual fuck are you complaining about?

1/10, complaints with 0 foundation that were easily counterpointed, 1 point awarded for getting me to reply. Post this again tomorrow, maybe it'll go better

Not him but I agree with you on Reinhardt's charge being bullshit but that's the worst response I ever saw

what in fuck did SJWs have to do with his post

t. bad player
eat shit

i don't usually say this because I'm bad at video games but get gud kiddo jesus christ

>trans character
>somehow relates to tracer's pose
>reinhardt thread
WEW LAD

>thinking SJWs would ever use the word "retard"
Wow, user, you sure are smart

Are you retarded?

>WAAH BAAH I'M BAD AT VIDEO GAMES SO PLZ MAKE THEM EASIER FOR ME

>Shields can be broken by shooting them
Oh look, Reinhardt put down his shield for 5 seconds and now it's back to TWO THOUSAND HP. I hope you managed to kill him in that time or you literally just wasted your time
>easy to sidestep unless you're point-blank
So a melee character trying to get point blank to you is completely rare and unusual?
>7 second cool down
But he can just hide behind his shield easy
>Death blossom
Just fucking shoot Reaper
>Self-Destruct
>Literally just get out of the way, you have like 10 seconds it's not that hard
>Tank
If you're squishy/low on HP and have no mobility options then yeah that could be a problem. But not by much.

>Reinhardt needs a HEAVY nerf

Worst thread.

>Making his shield 1000 hp
>Will literally get destroyed if sneezed at by anyone
>Not being able to dodge the slowest projectile in the game
>Not jumping outta the way of his telegraphed as fuck suicide tackle
>Making his ultimate not be able to stop fags like Genji's and Reapers if they decide to ult your teammates

Why would you want to make Reinhardt dogshit?

to balance rein we are gonna have to give him a second hammer right? right?

>Shoot reaper works but shooting the shield does't
nigger logic everyone

this has to be some kind of meta bait
well played sir

Genji, Tracer, Pharah, Reaper, Winston, Pharah, Sombra, Symmetra, McCree, Soldier 76, and Reinhardt are all characters that deal with an enemy Reinhardt by either being able to damage him through it, put high pressure on his shield's health, or bypass Reinhardt entirely.

Frig off.

>reinhardt's charge bullshit
>too autistic to dodge
WEW

>Can't even think of a single thing to prove I'm wrong

You're just scared that someone finally called you out on your crutch character and now they'll nerf him to the point where you actually need to be good with the game

go back to LOL faggot.

>Shoot Reaper
>He dies
>Shoot shield
>Shield breaks for like 5 seconds and you STILL need to fight Reinhardt anyway

You're retarded

D.Va needs a fucking nerf. Im tired of seeing her in every single match

he's pretty easy to beat with pharah

You forgot Junkrat. If a Reinhardt's shield is bothering you that much, just throw the rat at him since he's the second fastest at destroying it.

I did. Good catch, user.

I get a pvp.net kernal error so the launcher doesn't work

I saw you post a while ago about having a lot of "x needs a heavy nerf" posts you have saved in a txt document cheeky boy ;)

>tfw I can't get a 1V1 mystery duel win to get that damn lootbox.

>Shield comes back in 5 seconds from being fully broken
>5 seconds isn't enough to wipe a team
The only retard here is you. also reaper can wraith form

>taking my shitpost as actual criticism
no even better
>saying bypassing the shield doesn't prove you wrong
rip education system

>Remove shield
>Give him second hammer to improve swing time

I guess it would help. Would need to remove Fire Strike entirely to compensate though.

>Seriously acting like Overwatch is some super serious esport

have you actually played the game?
5 seconds is a very long time and makes for an easy kill.
Use Bastion for 2 seconds in turret form, or you know, that new character that disables abilities.
That shield is paper with even the smallest amount of focus fire.
his charge is easy as fuck to dodge if you actually have any spatial awareness.
his rocket is slow as shit and honestly doesn't do enough that a healer can't fix in 2 seconds.

its a casual memester game, they don't need to balance it because you weeaboos still play it

I actually write them all out over and over so they're not exactly the same. It stops people from catching on

I didn't bother reading.
Reinhardt is one of the few characters that has nothing wrong with them.

eh it's fine just shoot his fucking shield

i play a lot of dva and i just shoot the fucking thing and bad rein's don't put it down and let you pelt the fuck out of it and then die. True story.

hahaha fuck i love you

LOOK AT WHAT YOU CREATED

There's literally no point to reinhardt if you reduce his shield SIZE and hp. The point of the character is to move with your team behind you.
REMOVE his only ranged attack? You can't seriously think that's a good idea.
Charge is completely easy to dodge unless you are bad. Which you must be.
To round it all off, reinhardt is also slow af and easy to keep at distance.
You fucking suck OP if reinhardt is your complaint. I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about rein. Seriously. Who do you main?

Tracer can teleport behind him and pulse grenade stick reinhardt easier than every hero in the game. Just do that he'll bring the shield down real quick or die

>tfw playing hog tracer stickys me I hook her and take a breather as she kills her self

Nerf shield health but buff it's recharge time/delay. This way you can break it without having to shoot at it for a week, and you won't be completely useless for just as long when someone breaks yours.

I know this is bait, but fuck you.

KEK

>Can't even think of a single thing to prove I'm wrong

faggot

>Offense characters
Charge, left click, dead.
>Winston
>Charge, left click twice, dead
>Symmetra
Exactly the same as the offense heroes. Charge and left click
>Reinhardt
Why the fuck would a Reinhardt ever put his shield down?

>Tracer can beat a Reinhardt, but only if she has her ult ready

Wow, so balanced.

see

A thread where everyone finally agrees with each other? Fuck, gimme a Nobel peace prize.

agrees? nigga everyone is still arguing

>everyone agrees with each other
>Shitters unironcally crying about Reinhardt
No.

Fuck it, nerf everything. No character should have the ability to damage another one. Make it so that points are allotted via vote afterwards.

I called you a retard.

But you're actually a sneaky bugger? If that's true, then colour me impressed, because that's a well-disguised shitpost my friend.

>DUDE HIS SHIELD IS SO WEAK ANYTHING CAN BREAK IT BUT IT'S BALANCED
>But you can't nerf it any more or it won't be able to block ults

Make up your fucking mind, is the shield good or not? It's clearly one of the best things ever if you can block ults with it.

I assumed all the DVAs was due to waifufaggotry

5 seconds is only long enough if you have multiple ults ready

If any of those offense characters or Symmetra are attacking from a distance where a charge is 100% guaranteed to land they deserve dying then. Winston is the only one I'll give you because his lightning gun's range might as well be point blank, except his jump is on a low enough cooldown that after a charge he can just get out of the situation and try again another time.
>Why the fuck would a Reinhardt ever put his shield down?
Because according to you, every Reinhardt charges at any opportune moment even if it means exposing his team just to kill one offense character. If he exposes his team, start getting picks on them. This isn't a 1v1 game unless you go to that single arcade mode for it.

Also all of Reinhardt's attacks can go through barriers whether it's a Winston bubble or enemy Reinhardt shield. Regular melee swings, Fire Strike, and Charge.

>bastion kills his shield almost instantly
>so does junkrat
>and roadhog
>symmetra and mei can attack through it
>sombra can turn it off with literally one button press

how about you git gud first

Mcree and new solider can easily get 2 to 3 kills within 5 seconds in high plat/grandmaster.

I'll give you a second hammer

>McCree
>Use ult, left click when charged up
>Soldier
>Use ult, hold down left click and let the aimbot do the rest

Who cares about this garbage game that's already dying.

Just wait until someone makes a better tf2 successor

Without their ults you fucking faggot, there is thing called aiming if you aren't shit you can do it.

>Why would you want to make Reinhardt dogshit?
Because OP is clearly butthurt that his Widowmaker sniper can't kill Reinhardt reliably, and so he wants to nerf anything that make him look bad.

It'll never happen. People have too many items and hats and shit invested on TF2 already, they're not going to give that shit up even if TF3 or whatever is objectively superior.

every fucking week you faggots complain about a different character needing to be nerfed

Honestly the only way to fix Overwatch is to make the patcher install Enemy Territory instead.

>Leave shield size and HP the same ---
Instead, make the center of his shield a "headshot" zone, doestroying the shield quicker

>Leave charge range
However, damage should be lowered and a brief stun added after pinning to a wall. All but the squishiest heroes (Tracer) will require one additional hammer swing to kill in a 1v1 scenario.

>Fire strike is fine. Leave it.

Changing the ult would be overkill, but a short "wind-up" period before stunning an entire team could take some power away from it without making it useless.

league babies

>He thinks "It's cancerous" constitutes an argument.
Why don't you just uninstall your computer and start paying attention in school.

as a masters player i agree with op that rionheart is too strong. In high rating it is mandatory that there needs to be a rionheart on both teams expect for koth. Zarya is the second most broken tank.

>Bastion
Just step behind something, nigger ain't going to get up and move
>Symmetra
Squishy, just charge and left click
>Mei
Charge and left click twice since she's so close to you
>Junkrat
Basically the same as above
>Roadhog
Fire strike and left click, charge if he stops to heal

Expect you can effectively run Dive comps in high end masters game and win.

You sound like the BIGGEST fucking crybaby or just a troll

>Ignores the whole posts to focus on one word
You're a cuck

>charge and left click
Yes, I'm sure that is the absolute best way to keep your shield up and protecting whatever you are keeping safe.

>Just step behind something, nigger ain't going to get up and move

And you still have to get to the point / move the payload or you fucking lose.

Also roadhog can OHKO rein with his combo if he gets a headshot, so fuck your bullshitting ass.

Widowmaker honestly needs a buff, she's useless. Remove that charge timer bullshit for her sniper, all shots do max damage at all times

op hates trump

fuck you im going to build THE WALL GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU NIGGER

Charging just to get a kill when there's higher kill potential characters on a team than Reinhardt is stupid and leaves the rest of your team open and without a shield to cover them.
Fuck you.

I don't play overshit, and I vehemently hate this phrase because it's mainly used as a criticism deflection but you really need to git gud.

Nerfs wont make you better or more successful, practice will.

The only winning move is not to play.

people still play this meme game?

Just shoot the shield retard, tell your teammates to shoot it too.

>HURR OP YUR DUM BCAUSE THIS GUY CAN KILL REINHARDT LIKE THIS
>Perfectly explain why that doesn't work
>I-I-I-I-IT DOESN'T COUNT IF REINHARDT CAN FIGHT BACK HE HAS TO SIT THERE AND TAKE IT IF A REINHARDT EVER PUTS HIS SHIELD DOWN I'M REPORTING HIM BAD TEAM FUCKING PUGS

>first time Rein isn't a mustpick in the meta since he's countered by soldier and d.va now
>now is the time to nerf him

Just hide behind the fucking payload

He's being indirectly nerfed next patch with Sombra being able to hack through his shield.
Otherwise just git gud with killing him and getting past his shield, just shoot it lol

The 'perfect explanation' to why that shit doesn't fly is also a pretty reliable way to make 5v5s happen while you're lumbering back into a good defensive position and the one person you killed are waiting to respawn.

what the fuck is a meme game

zarya shits on dva

>lumbering back into good defensive position
Reinhardt always has the best defensive position and all you need to do is right click

a game that a Sup Forumsermin dislikes

Kaplan confirmed that was a bug, it will be getting fixed before the PTR goes live.

That's what I'm saying to the other guy. Except for his cure all solution of
>just charge them lol
Is a good way to isolate yourself even just a bit for whoever else is around on the enemy team to pick you apart. The shield covers in front of him. Not behind, above, to the sides, or even in a little gap people can step into at, yes, the risk of getting clubbed down by his hammer.